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« Reply #1080 on: Jan 10th, 2009, 10:51am »

on Jan 10th, 2009, 10:35am, TeachersPet wrote:
Christ Tomi!!
I didnt ask you to comment on my take, I asked what is YOUR take tomi!! Do you have any crazy or wild or any opinion at all whats behind this?


Having put myself in the "dog with fleas" catagory myself (by everyone!) I can only guess.

If you want my guess, I think that DrDil (in a mellow moment) summed it up for me too. I think there is something deeper connected here. I'm not sure what it is regarding the disclosure process or what..

My best guess if following the deeper connection is true is that it is more about infraction than disclosure. But that is only a guess I am making.

I don't see this whole saga and the immense tapestry of this whole drone thing only being done for a SCC series for crying out loud... or a game or even a movie.
There is something more going on at a deeper level is my guess at the moment.
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« Reply #1081 on: Jan 10th, 2009, 10:56am »

Infraction of what? You mean a renegade Disclosure group of fanatics? Deeper and Infraction doent give me a picture..I need to see it thru your eyes.

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« Reply #1082 on: Jan 10th, 2009, 11:06am »

on Jan 10th, 2009, 10:21am, TeachersPet wrote:
What thru me off was Woy, who passed himself of as Asian at OM,aka Mocs at myspace.
http://www.myspace.com/nagflar
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Good God.. did you even attempt to read that whole page?? How can you begin to invest time in risking your sanity (what's left of it wink) spending 5 minutes trying to find anything in the mountains of verbage on that page..

Find something there.. pls post it.. because I'm not going to try to make sense out of the senseless..

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« Reply #1083 on: Jan 10th, 2009, 11:15am »

Jesus..Woy was a red herring. deception..unhappy with state of ufology...didnt you read my post..I dont care about him..I know what I need o know of him and his contacts..just a fanatic..smart but troubled person.
I am interested in your perspective..what you mean by deeper and infraction a little further..
Thanx
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« Reply #1084 on: Jan 10th, 2009, 11:16am »

on Jan 10th, 2009, 10:56am, TeachersPet wrote:
Infraction of what? You mean a renegade Disclosure group of fanatics? Deeper and Infraction doent give me a picture..I need to see it thru your eyes.


What I mean by infraction: a violation of a rule or ordinance or regulation, promise or obligation.

I'm only going on gut instinct here, and X's insights as well as what I've heard from the Palo Alto x-kids.

Is there any link to the drone business in all this? Isaac says so ... Why?? This is all just a bit too complex to be your common garden variety hoax IMO.

That Why is where my thinking kicks into this being more of an infraction of some sort than a disclosure or simple hoax. JMO..

edit to add: And I could be and probably am completely wrong.
But you asked what I was guessing it could be.
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« Reply #1085 on: Jan 10th, 2009, 11:22am »

Correct me now, I don't want to put words into your mouth, you think then Isaac was truly someone in the know, who was telling on Palo alto underneath a veneer of fake photos, pointing to invisibility and antigravity..and the mystery x witness corroborates that with his story of the octopus ufo..?

I just want to understand..I certainly won't attack that..
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« Reply #1086 on: Jan 10th, 2009, 11:38am »

on Jan 10th, 2009, 11:22am, TeachersPet wrote:
Correct me now, I don't want to put words into your mouth, you think then Isaac was truly someone in the know, who was telling on Palo alto underneath a veneer of fake photos, pointing to invisibility and antigravity..and the mystery x witness corroborates that with his story of the octopus ufo..?

I just want to understand..I certainly won't attack that..


You can't even get that much from my vague supposition. And vague it is.. because I don't know.

I'm only putting 2+2 together in my mind and I've never been good at maths. But sometimes I get a gut instinct and that's all I've got here.

I will not discount the testimony of X because I've heard similiar from kids now grown up who where there.

Is Isaac a metaphor for something or is he part of a group's infraction.. What is real or not real.. ?
Haven't a clue. nadda.

edit to add: And you ask why I defend the DRT all the time.. because they are coping with all this and providing the answers to us someday.. That is why..
And God Bless the PI's too smiley
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« Reply #1087 on: Jan 10th, 2009, 11:56am »

No problem with that researching the genesis of myths, legends, and memes..and absent additional facts all one can do is speculate as Isaac merely worked on pre existing themes already in the mainstream..anti gravity, and cloaking a la klingons, mibs etc..and they in turn from before them. That whole santa cruz and bay area is a hotbed..ufo conventions, Tree huggers Pod people, etc..so its not the secluded area those unfamilar with it once thought.

The difference now is that back in the 50s witnesses and speakers and proponents were vetted by some , and today they are not..except maybe mufon..anyone incorporating such themes..can start a brush fire anywhere in the community....
Hopefully that will change some day.
Until then too much coming out to spend more time on this.
And some of us will likely go on to other things..

Yes..its God Bless us all..who fought for truth..with the motive of nothing else other than that.




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« Reply #1088 on: Jan 10th, 2009, 12:05pm »

on Jan 10th, 2009, 11:56am, TeachersPet wrote:
And some of us will likely go on to other things..


Like reality and getting our lives back rolleyes cheesy

after we figure out what reality is of course .. wink
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« Reply #1089 on: Jan 10th, 2009, 12:14pm »

on Jan 10th, 2009, 11:56am, TeachersPet wrote:
That whole santa cruz and bay area is a hotbed..ufo conventions, Tree huggers Pod people, etc..so its not the secluded area those unfamilar with it once thought.



Well you are incorrect there, because if these ppl I have talked to were ufo enthusiasts I would not put as much creedence into what I've heard. They are (and I can personally attest to this with my client), very down to earth business ppl who were reflecting on the childhood experiences and what they heard and how it made them think. But exposure to this talk from their parents when they were young, they became more grounded.. not less.
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« Reply #1090 on: Jan 10th, 2009, 12:19pm »

You misread, I said a hotbed, I never said there no normal people there, the lack of witness corroboration by local residents should tell anyone that. And you need only one person to start the ball rolling.

Now, the other is more a philosophic esoteric question..that Scientologists and Raelians will be happy to answer, and I am surprised more , if any, they didnt join the DRT in droves, as they probably accommodate that perspective of behind the scenes intrigue..they operate in that paradigm just fine.
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« Reply #1091 on: Jan 10th, 2009, 12:28pm »

Let me interject here for a second....Tomi, the fact that you are willing to discuss the hoax aspect is really cool. I have to acknowledge that your openness to reevaluate the facts and possibilities is admirable.

But remember, for over a year now some of the DRT have refuted professional evaluation of the drone photos and rejected research that showed lighting and shadow problems, basically shooting down any claim of hoax and the research that pointed that way.

The photo witnesses were intensely defended with excuses being made for their collective odd behavior and lack of involvement. For example, postulating that Chad may have a second home and did not lie about his location is a typical grab at straws that we (the objective skeptics) have had to endure. tongue

Hoax was the overall verdict early on, with a wait and see attitude. You know, wait and see if the witnesses assemble or come forward individually. The photos were stunning on first glance, but early analyze was clearly accurate.

As the DRT as a whole or one individual at a time comes to realize the hoax verdict was accurate, there can't help but be a "told you so" feeling that some of us might get. wink

But I think it is better to maybe wonder about the origins of this hoax. The previous postings have really overcomplicated the drone case. It is not really all that. It doesn't compare to the average weekly television script on any decent show with a special effects budget. This could be college kids that started a project to see what would happen. It could be a sanctioned dis-info story by a government agency to see what people are willing to accept in order to believe. It could be a test of the skeptics, to see how they think. It could be from the same source as Serpo. It could be anything but what it definitely is, is a hoax!

Whoever started the thing, has backed way off long ago. The case has been dead as far as the activity of early 2007. I think they backed off and started watching the results. And the investigation! Maybe even joining the debate. shocked

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« Reply #1092 on: Jan 10th, 2009, 12:46pm »

on Jan 10th, 2009, 12:28pm, Jeddyhi wrote:
Whoever started the thing, has backed way off long ago. The case has been dead as far as the activity of early 2007. I think they backed off and started watching the results. And the investigation! Maybe even joining the debate. shocked



...and i am positive they (the hoaxers) are very very pleased with what they have accomplished!!!
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« Reply #1093 on: Jan 10th, 2009, 12:53pm »

on Jan 10th, 2009, 12:46pm, TheShadow wrote:
...and i am positive they (the hoaxers) are very very pleased with what they have accomplished!!!


They must have set a very low bar. laugh
Looks to me the only thing they did was tick off a dozen people, fired up a few to get to the bottom of it, drew a few observers to watch and roped along those that will fall for anything. They did start some board wars but that's no big deal.
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« Reply #1094 on: Jan 10th, 2009, 12:58pm »

on Jan 10th, 2009, 12:53pm, Katterfelto wrote:
They must have had a very low bar. laugh
Looks to me the only thing they did was tick off a dozen people, fired up a few to get to the bottom of it, drew a few observers to watch and roped along those that will fall for anything. They did start some board wars but that's no big deal.


Don't forget that the drones attracted Whitley Streiber, mesmerized Linda Moulton Howe, had the involvement of C2C, appeared in main stream news media, was noticed by AlienWare and wound up on The Sarah Connor Chonicles.......thats not to bad lol! wink
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