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« Reply #1095 on: Jan 10th, 2009, 1:04pm »

on Jan 10th, 2009, 12:58pm, Jeddyhi wrote:
Don't forget that the drones attracted Whitley Streiber, mesmerized Linda Moulton Howe, had the involvement of C2C, appeared in main stream news media, was noticed by AlienWare and wound up on The Sarah Connor Chonicles.......thats not to bad lol! wink


And after all of that happening, you still think this is just some college kids' class project? IF the whole thing is a hoax, I don't think some college kids could pull it off. IF it is a hoax, it has to be from someone with many resources...

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« Reply #1096 on: Jan 10th, 2009, 1:05pm »

on Jan 10th, 2009, 12:28pm, Jeddyhi wrote:
But remember, for over a year now some of the DRT have refuted professional evaluation of the drone photos and rejected research that showed lighting and shadow problems, basically shooting down any claim of hoax and the research that pointed that way.

The photo witnesses were intensely defended with excuses being made for their collective odd behavior and lack of involvement. For example, postulating that Chad may have a second home and did not lie about his location is a typical grab at straws that we (the objective skeptics) have had to endure. tongue


Maybe it's natures way.. Without one POV you won't have the other and then somewhere inbetween is the truth that leads to higher truths like in all research.

Imagine knowledge would be impossible without a full spectrum of consideration. We would never know the dimensions that this saga has without both sides pointing things out for consideration.
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« Reply #1097 on: Jan 10th, 2009, 1:15pm »

on Jan 10th, 2009, 1:04pm, newtothis wrote:
And after all of that happening, you still think this is just some college kids' class project? IF the whole thing is a hoax, I don't think some college kids could pull it off. IF it is a hoax, it has to be from someone with many resources...

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There you go, overcomplicating things again lol. What aspect is so fantastic about the case that required vast resources? The photos probably were the hard part. The Isaac material is nothing that a vivid imagination could not produce. The drone alien font is composed of 5 basic shapes rearranged to produce the "language". A human invented the Klingon text and it can even be spoken. The artwork is good, but nothing fantastically amazing or expensive. College kids could be working with a budget supplied by a grant to study the psych of a typical ufologist on the internet. I'm not saying that is the case.....there are many possibilities. I believe the resulting investigation has probably spent way more money and time then the hoaxers invested. Where did those resources come from?? grin
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« Reply #1098 on: Jan 10th, 2009, 1:30pm »

on Jan 10th, 2009, 1:15pm, Jeddyhi wrote:
Where did those resources come from?? grin


My bet is some college kids! grin

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« Reply #1099 on: Jan 10th, 2009, 1:36pm »

on Jan 10th, 2009, 1:04pm, newtothis wrote:
And after all of that happening, you still think this is just some college kids' class project? IF the whole thing is a hoax, I don't think some college kids could pull it off. IF it is a hoax, it has to be from someone with many resources...
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Yep, but not necessarily limited to college kids. I'm surprised some more well know "stars" did not jump on the bandwagon i.e., Tom Cruise perhaps on Oprah. I don't even know if the Weekly World News (they still around?) picked up on it. It should have topped the search for Batboy. cheesy
Seriously, I do think it a bit premature to attribute some of the news it got to specific goals whoever did it had. We'll have to wait and see I guess. I'm somewhat negative on disinfo or disclosure theories in general so I tended to discard that angle early on since that seems to be an all too common explanation. But I'll wait on further info DRT may release.
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« Reply #1100 on: Jan 10th, 2009, 1:58pm »

Hello, all!
I know - I'm REAL late to the party.
I saw a picture of the famous Raj photo back when it first came out, and I thought it was curious, but then just kind of forgot about it until a few weeks ago when my Dad brought it up at Christmas.
So I decided to do some looking around and see what I could find.

Following a few Google leads of course lead me here, where I've spent the last couple weeks lurking and reading as much as I could, whenever I could.

Of course most of what I've read is almost two years old now, and I'm very curious about where this case stands. Has there been a verdict, or at least a general agreement, on whether this is real or a hoax?


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« Reply #1101 on: Jan 10th, 2009, 2:04pm »

on Jan 10th, 2009, 1:30pm, newtothis wrote:
My bet is some college kids! grin

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Ever studied some internet hoaxes and their sources? Here is a good one of late.


From wikipedia:
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Bonsai Kitten was an internet hoax that claimed to give instructions on how to grow kittens in bottles as a form of decoration, similar in fashion to a Bonsai tree. Soon after birth the kitten is supposedly placed in a glass container, allowing the kitten to grow to fill the vessel that contains it.

The kitten allegedly breathes through specially drilled holes in the glass and may be fed and expel waste through tubes, and their purpose is supposedly as an elaborate ornament, instead of a pet. While the website is no longer online, mirrors with copies of the website content exist and are generally referred to.

Despite a massive negative response and much belief otherwise, the entire site was an elaborate hoax by a group of MIT graduate students.
The site was in part a parody of the Japanese art of bonsai, but also resembles the mythical practice of comprachicos (in which the subjects are human).

The hoax suggested that people could buy the required equipment through the website; this turned out to be entirely false, like the rest of the site. The hoaxer went so far as to create a falsified guestbook on the site, containing user responses, but checking these email addresses proves fruitless, as none of the users are real. Further support for the hoax came in the form of a falsified mailing list.

While the site was still live, the original registrant for Bonsaikitten.com was falsely listed with the address for the Department of Art History and Archaeology, Columbia University..
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonsai_Kitten

It happens. It is not beyond impossible or unlikely. It is likely as any other explanation. Is it more hard to believe than Isaac and his fabulous tales of pant stuffing espionage? wink

I tend to think that the drones were government in origin, another wild dis-info tale with no way to verify anything. From the makers of Serpo, John Titor, etc....but it could be anyone with an imagination and time.

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« Reply #1102 on: Jan 10th, 2009, 2:12pm »

Here is another elaborate hoax that fooled many though it is not from college students.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_3
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« Reply #1103 on: Jan 10th, 2009, 2:12pm »

on Jan 10th, 2009, 1:04pm, newtothis wrote:
And after all of that happening, you still think this is just some college kids' class project? IF the whole thing is a hoax, I don't think some college kids could pull it off. IF it is a hoax, it has to be from someone with many resources...

Tuna


Ever heard of John Tesh being an alienhuh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkEdqLlkz-A

Not to mention all those CON-MEN from Nigeria who have tens of millions they are holding in a bank from airplane victims, some rich guy who was taken ill and a host of other stories.......Also lets not forget the UK lottery scams....Companies that steal software code and put a new graphic interface on it and sell it as their own software but at a higher price then the software that they stole........There are many scammers and hoaxters out there Tuna that don't require a lot of resources to do what they do...They only need the imagination and desire to want to scam and hoax.......use the search engines that is what they are there for.......

Not to mention the required resources are very easy to obtain for this type of HOAX...All you need is a good story and some graphic software which you can find via open source, buy the software or if someone has it already or illegally thru torrent sites.....Then some friends to join in and you gots yourself a party....It will reproduce from there by means of the internet.......
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« Reply #1104 on: Jan 10th, 2009, 2:25pm »

Hoaxers, hoaxers everywhere!

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The Great Internet UFO Hoax
Ssshhh! What I am about to tell you is a secret. Do not tell anyone. On Saturday, March 19, many people on the internet will hoax the world with the biggest mass UFO sighting in years. The craft will zoom around the United States and the world. What will they see? A craft with 4 lights, 2 of which blinked several colors. They will then report their sighting as happening at APPROXIMATELY (not exactly) the appropriate time, and that's it.... Report the sighting to the National UFO Reporting center by calling 206-722-3000. Do not post this information online. Only share it with 'real life' friends.
Source: http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/comments/2569/P0/

Another one

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Images of UFOs, purportedly videotaped in Haiti and the Dominican Republic, have Internet viewers watching and debating.

Source:http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/newmedia/la-et-ufo22aug22,0,2266445.story



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http://www.theufochronicles.com/2006/12/investigation-of-great-lakes-dive.html

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« Reply #1105 on: Jan 10th, 2009, 2:27pm »

on Jan 10th, 2009, 2:04pm, Jeddyhi wrote:
It happens. It is not beyond impossible or unlikely. It is likely as any other explanation. Is it more hard to believe than Isaac and his fabulous tales of pant stuffing espionage? wink

I tend to think that the drones were government in origin, another wild dis-info tale with no way to verify anything. From the makers of Serpo, John Titor, etc....but it could be anyone with an imagination and time.



The kitten thing, to me, is more of a joke than a hoax, but I don't know where the line is between the two. It's actually pretty funny, something my aunt would believe and send a bunch of emails out to try and stop it laugh

Now gov dis-info is the most likely IF this turns out to be hoaxed, but then if that is the case does, dis-info = hoax?

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« Reply #1106 on: Jan 10th, 2009, 2:33pm »

on Jan 10th, 2009, 2:12pm, Radi wrote:
Ever heard of John Tesh being an alienhuh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkEdqLlkz-A

Not to mention all those CON-MEN from Nigeria who have tens of millions they are holding in a bank from airplane victims, some rich guy who was taken ill and a host of other stories.......Also lets not forget the UK lottery scams....Companies that steal software code and put a new graphic interface on it and sell it as their own software but at a higher price then the software that they stole........There are many scammers and hoaxters out there Tuna that don't require a lot of resources to do what they do...They only need the imagination and desire to want to scam and hoax.......use the search engines that is what they are there for.......

Not to mention the required resources are very easy to obtain for this type of HOAX...All you need is a good story and some graphic software which you can find via open source, buy the software or if someone has it already or illegally thru torrent sites.....Then some friends to join in and you gots yourself a party....It will reproduce from there by means of the internet.......


Wait, John Tesh ISN'T an alien huh

I actually got one of those Nigeria emails! Trying to get me to collect $30mil from someone that died and had no relatives...

Anyway, there are a lot of easy ways to fool people, I just don't think this one would be very easy...

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« Reply #1107 on: Jan 10th, 2009, 2:38pm »

Dis-info = Hoax?

In a sense yes. Dis-info does not mean that the tale or subject matter is true. Rather it means it is false information to distract from something else. And that distraction can be studied for future dis-info campaigns.

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« Reply #1108 on: Jan 10th, 2009, 3:01pm »

on Jan 10th, 2009, 1:58pm, Albatross wrote:
Hello, all!
I know - I'm REAL late to the party.
I saw a picture of the famous Raj photo back when it first came out, and I thought it was curious, but then just kind of forgot about it until a few weeks ago when my Dad brought it up at Christmas.
So I decided to do some looking around and see what I could find.

Following a few Google leads of course lead me here, where I've spent the last couple weeks lurking and reading as much as I could, whenever I could.

Of course most of what I've read is almost two years old now, and I'm very curious about where this case stands. Has there been a verdict, or at least a general agreement, on whether this is real or a hoax?






I ask because I've been recreating the PACL Primer in Adobe Illustrator and have found enough "evidence" that I believe it to be a hoax.

I can't comment on the Photos of the drones themselves, though - I'm not a 3D artist. I'm still on the fence with those.

If someone could at least say "hello", it wouldn't go unnoticed...

Thanks.

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« Reply #1109 on: Jan 10th, 2009, 3:03pm »

on Jan 10th, 2009, 1:58pm, Albatross wrote:
Has there been a verdict, or at least a general agreement, on whether this is real or a hoax?


Is this a wind up?

grin grin grin grin wink

If not.. all I can say is welcome to hell grin

Would you like a tee-shirt laugh

edit to add: forgive my glibness, it's just your timing that is so funny smiley You can close the page but you can never leave cool


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