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« Reply #120 on: Dec 4th, 2008, 3:04pm »

I was just leaving for Christmas Holiday, but Marvin, if you look up the pole, the shade narrows, telling that the pole might not be in "upright position", as it might be "leaning". I just discovered that, and I think that the position of the pole would change the shadows, right? Maybe this was overseen, maybe not.

If the pole "slants" I'm sure the shade changes.

Has anyone here thought of that possibility?

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« Reply #121 on: Dec 4th, 2008, 3:43pm »

on Dec 4th, 2008, 3:04pm, DrStern wrote:
I was just leaving for christmas holiday, but Marvin, if you look up the pole, the shade narrows, telling that the pole might not be in "upright position", as it might be "leaning". I just discovered that, and I think that the position of the pole would change the shadows, right? Maybe this was overseen, maybe not.

If the pole "slants" I'm sure the shade changes.

Has anyone here thought of that possibility?

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Hi Doc and happy Holidays!

The only shadow I am interested in (at this point) the pole cylinder itself (the main body)… so that I know what “compass” direction (or azimuth) the sun is coming from. To determine the “height of the sun” (or angle from the horizon to the zenith) by using the pole, then a leaning pole can become problematic.

The same is true for the Drone of course.

In Raj's Photo we are using as an example, the light sources are not even close, nor are they interacting with both the pole and the drone at the same time (each have their own independent light sources by compass direction).



But to show this, you can try this experiment at home with a lamp as the only light source.

Grab any available cylinder, a pencil or a writing pen can work.

Remove the lamp shade (turn on the lamp and turn off all other lights - it will work best a night). Hold your pencil “even” in elevation with the bulb and hold the pencil so the point goes straight up to the ceiling. Examine the shadow from all “angles.”

Now, lean the pencil in any direction you like and examine the shadow from all angles.

The only time “something different” will happen is when you “lean it towards the light source or away from the light source. The only change that will occur is that the illuminated side will not be as bright, but the shadow compared to the “lit” side will be the same (unless you basically point the pencil at the light source - so try not to lean it more than 45 degrees unless you think the pole in Raj's photo is almost laying on the ground).

You see, depending on the time of day (and the month) the sun will illuminate any pole you see at a different angle… or basically, you are leaning the pole and keeping the sun in the same place. Do the shadows change on the vertical part of the pole?

I hope this is helpful.
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« Reply #122 on: Dec 4th, 2008, 3:43pm »

Whoops, different object/shadow!! grin

(Removed anomalous shadow/segmented paddle images)

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« Reply #123 on: Dec 4th, 2008, 3:46pm »

on Dec 4th, 2008, 2:31pm, Marvin wrote:
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Red = Drone angle of illumination
Yellow = Pole angle of illumination

Here are the differences in illumination between the pole and the Drone. If anyone has evidence to show a significant error to make up for the 25 degree angle in difference, I am interested in seeing it.

on Dec 4th, 2008, 2:09pm, Marvin wrote:
Thanks Doc for fixing the photo thing.

Pleasure Marv & keep up the good work!! wink

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« Reply #124 on: Dec 5th, 2008, 3:22pm »

on Dec 4th, 2008, 3:04pm, DrStern wrote:
I was just leaving for Christmas Holiday, but Marvin, if you look up the pole, the shade narrows...



One other thing I forgot to point out... do you know the difference between a pipe and a pole?

A pipe is the same diameter along its entire length.

A pole tapers (or gets narrower in diameter) towards the top (or far) end.

Due to the shape of the pole (as it narrows), yes the shadow will become “smaller” as the diameter becomes smaller.

Wood poles are notorious for not being perfectly straight… so there is a change of some (minor) deformity with this pole. But there is not enough of an issue that we cannot determine the compass direction of the sun on the pole.

The shadow’s edge goes through the bolt that secures the cross bars at the very top of the pole (therefore the cross bar basically points to the light source, to the right). That is how we know the follow diagram is correct:

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Ignore the red circles on this.

I hope this is helpful.




Edit to add:

I can see there is still some confusion for those who do not work with this.

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The pole can be used like a sun dial... but:

1. We are not looking at the shadow on the ground, we are looking at the shadow on the vertical pole.

2. We are only looking at what “compass” direction the light is coming from (so we are only looking at it two dimensionally) and how it illuminates the vertical pole.


Then we can also apply this same reasoning to the Drone as well.
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« Reply #125 on: Dec 6th, 2008, 11:54am »

Here's what I'm talking about:

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You see the light cast on the side of the fin (yellow)?

Do you see the light on the second fin (blue)?

Do you see the shade (from the fin with the yellow marking) on the second fin? (blue)

(Still ignoring the red circles)

If you focus on that, it seems to be excactly the same angle as the shadow on the (leaning) pole.

I'm on vacation, guys! grin

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« Reply #126 on: Dec 6th, 2008, 12:02pm »

To make it obvious:

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Check the angle of the shadow (blue) (on the Drone)
and (black) on the pole.

(Edit to add: you even see the shadow on the anchor wire!)

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« Reply #127 on: Dec 6th, 2008, 1:46pm »

on Dec 6th, 2008, 12:02pm, DrStern wrote:
To make it obvious:

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Check the angle of the shadow (blue) (on the Drone)
and (black) on the pole.

(Edit to add: you even see the shadow on the anchor wire!)

Merry Christmas,

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In order to understand the shadow issue, one must examine the whole object and not just focus where one can connect the dots just one time (but it does not work anywhere else).

There is no solution to bring these two light sources together.

Hopefully this will be more helpful.
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« Reply #128 on: Dec 6th, 2008, 5:48pm »

Thank you Marvin.

You are so much smarter than me.

Happy Holidays,

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« Reply #129 on: Dec 6th, 2008, 11:09pm »

Marvin,

following your logic, these photos are fake as well...

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Shadows are all wrong!

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« Reply #130 on: Dec 7th, 2008, 12:11am »

Nice Picture ABC, absent info who knows.Cape Cod is quite lovely, But I don't see what your point is, however maybe if you supplied a little more information the pic came with it would be helpful..the same way Rajs pic came with.
I have taken the liberty of retrieving it for you.
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info cut off :cape cod; east coast; new england; beach; fence; sand; evening; dusk; outside

http://www.fisheyegallery.com

Although camera says 1200am noon,,
the picture was taken at dusk, evening meaning there is light left, but the sun has fallen below horizon. Getting diffuse light you might say..

Whereas in Raj there were more specific times given and much prior to sunset. Allowing for more accurate measurements via the known positions.
With that information, along with everything else it would seem like Marvins line reasoning is quite..reasonable if not compelling.
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« Reply #131 on: Dec 7th, 2008, 10:07am »

on Dec 6th, 2008, 11:09pm, ABCStore wrote:
Marvin,

following your logic, these photos are fake as well...

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ABC,

Can you explain why you think the shadows are wrong? And how does it apply to what I have said about cylinders... to these rectangles?

Take a look at the poles in the photo... wink
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« Reply #132 on: Dec 7th, 2008, 12:53pm »

Marvin,

Your yellow arrow showing the sunlight direction on the pole is totally wrong. You evidently are confused when looking at a 2 dimensional representation of a 3 dimensional scene. Either that or you are purposely misrepresenting it to further your agenda. Actually, I think it's a lttle of both. wink
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« Reply #133 on: Dec 7th, 2008, 1:56pm »

on Dec 7th, 2008, 12:53pm, Latitude wrote:
Marvin,

Your yellow arrow showing the sunlight direction on the pole is totally wrong. You evidently are confused when looking at a 2 dimensional representation of a 3 dimensional scene. Either that or you are purposely misrepresenting it to further your agenda. Actually, I think it's a lttle of both. wink




Unfortunately Lat, I have offered objective evidence demonstrating my point. What do you have to offer besides retracted/changed evidence and opinion?

But to give you the benefit of the doubt and to assume you do not understand…



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The black line on the pole shows the shadow's edge... created by lighting in the direction of the yellow line.

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The pole is shown here from the top... which shows the direction of the sun to create the shadow's edge (its location).


The pole shadow is well demonstrated and understood, except for those who wish to deceive.


In order for the lighting on the Drone to be correct on the pole, one would have to rotate the shadow on the pole about 25 degrees clockwise.

Also, to assume the lighting on the Drone is correct for both objects... then the direction of the sunlight would make it impossible for the Drone to cast a shadow on the pole.
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« Reply #134 on: Dec 7th, 2008, 2:16pm »

Read that Marvin, you are with your proof part of The Agenda, How contrite can anyone get?, shades of Odisea and Rutter, the same pablum spewed on and on when faced with facts and evidence. This coming from a known Liar.
Unfortunately They don't have ignore buttons here.
But this is intended at provoking not discovery, but endless chatter over issues settled long ago. If you tattooed it on his forehead he would not admit it.
No, he presents it like the Emperors clothes, nothing to wear home.. His agenda is quite clear.
Nothing to do with Truth.
even his own team mate Tomi defended him at every corner, was ostracized, and demoted from an admin.., when she wanted to prompt cooperation, to discover the truth at the DRT. accused of consorting with the enemy.
He is still an admin..so what agenda can we surmise here?
In her PM to me, it describes what is really happening here, and who has The agenda
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Oh dear,

It's hard to explain at this stage, wish I could, but it was lat/numb nuts who pushed things to close off to begin with.. that's why I'm out now, because I kept associations, now he comes back trying to get ppl to talk again. I told them you can't think enemies and war, you must be open and debate.. now he comes back wanting to open up threads.. aaaugh!!


end of quote..
but not an end to this Fraud
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