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« Reply #1335 on: Jan 16th, 2009, 8:37pm »

on Jan 16th, 2009, 8:10pm, neveleeleven wrote:
lol...I was just reading some old posts by leviathan, and I came across this one:



Someone teach these blind bats how the geometry of a Sundial works please.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundial

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The telephone pole is basicaly a sundial. rolleyes





Wow neveleeleven, the sundial analogy is like deja vous all over again. grin
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« Reply #1336 on: Jan 17th, 2009, 12:15am »

on Jan 16th, 2009, 5:54pm, Denise wrote:
Oh dear, they seem to be all over the poor man and his opinion!

Hello MarsAve:
Thanks for your reply but I don't get the point of your post below. It's just a repeat of your previous opinions.
Plus, some of it doesn't make sense and is filled with strange contradictions. Your dismissal of Drones is oddly loquatious.
I guess you and I will just have to politely disagree. Douglas


What is loquacious, is that like loko?


Hello Denise smiley
Basically it means "Wordy" as in writing a paragraph on something that could have been said in a sentence or two....


on Jan 16th, 2009, 8:10pm, neveleeleven wrote:
lol...I was just reading some old posts by leviathan, and I came across this one:



Someone teach these blind bats how the geometry of a Sundial works please.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundial

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The telephone pole is basicaly a sundial. rolleyes
It really feels like I'm bullying school kids.


Seems like a lot of those kids around that playground smiley
But the power of ten always did like changing history thou so why not try to change the sun and nature while they were there... wink
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« Reply #1337 on: Jan 17th, 2009, 8:20pm »

I saw another forum trying to make some point
about the costs of producing the whole Caret project project and came up with a $50, 000 dollar figure. Inventing a whole language, which has not been proven to be a language except re-arrangement of fonts, and vectors, which were available already,e.g., Dan Habbermans, IHEA, at an ATS post library, and Android Jones, who made his own in less than 2 days after seeing the Caret drawings in June of 2007. Viral Marketing is the way to go, as Josh Frieman did when he created his blog, Snakes on a Plane, which helped propell sales and buzz, for the movie. That was just a blog.
If we are talking TV series and or movie, which we do have in this particular case, then even a $200, 000 dollars is almost insignificant. Perhaps the question should be is how much is devoted to movies by venue as a whole in terms of marketing budget.


That question is answered here
I will like to know what percent of the cost of a movie is used for
it's publicity, and what are those expences? Cable ads, internet
baners, magazines?

Thanks!!

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Subject: Re: What percentage of the cost of a movie is normaly used for publicity?
Answered By: easterangel-ga on 03 Apr 2006 01:13 PDT
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Hi! Thanks for the question.

Here are the average movie average costs and percentages that you need.

2005:
Overall Cost: $96.2 million
Marketing Cost: $36.2 million
Percentage of Marketing to Overall Cost: 37.6%

2004:
Overall Cost (Estimates): $97.17 million
Marketing Cost: $34.4 million
Percentage of Marketing to Overall Cost: 35.4%

?But 2005's marketing costs rose 5.2 percent to $36.2 million, up from
$34.4 million a year earlier. The combined cost to make and market a
movie was $96.2 million, down less than 1 percent from 2004.?

?Hollywood ticket sales take a hit?
http://money.cnn.com/2006/03/10/news/companies/movies.reut/index.htm


The cost components meanwhile can be taken from these 2004 figures
from an article at Hollywood Reporter.

These are over-all figures and not average numbers.

Overall Cost Estimate: $3,338.6 million

National TV - $1,197.8 million (35.9% marketing cost)
Regional TV - $482.5 million (14.5%)
Cable TV - $688.9 million (20.6%)
Syndication ? $133.5 million (4%)
Spanish TV - $1.4 million (0.04%)
Magazines - $24.7 million (0.7%)
Radio - $50 million (1.5%)
Outdoor Ads - $32.2 million (1%)
Internet - $69.2 million (2.1%)
Newspapers - $596.6 million (17.9%)
Unaccounted by Source - (1.76%) (Based on percentage cost and not on
overall cost figures)

?Money matters?
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr/film/feature_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000913823


Search terms used:
the average cost to market a film domestically in 2004
movie marketing expenses

I hope these links would help you in your research. Before rating this
answer, please ask for a clarification if you have a question or if
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I hope that sheds some light on the matter, and demonstrates how they can have buzz makers working the sites and forums for a year or more. advertisement/buzz usually begins months in advance of a films showing.
Take the 2012 banner all over the place,, that was begun a while ago, in preparation for a 2010 showing.
I don't necessarily subscribe to this theory, but it is getting much harder to ignore.

However, I am keenly interested in the Linda Howe and Whitley connection, because even eliminating all these other players, they are left as the ones with the origin and motives. They seem on closer looks, more as infomercials for products sold in the paranormal and ufological circles, than actual events taking place. As such, they are the perfect avenue and marketing tool for those so inclined.


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« Reply #1338 on: Jan 18th, 2009, 07:07am »

Thank you Denise, very informative. Explains a lot!

I've wondered about the obsessive-compulsive behavior of some people who want to believe the drones are either extraterrestrial in origin or government made back engineered from extraterrestrial technology.

I know there is a group of people that can be put in the category of "I want to believe", Fox Mulder's poster comes to mind. These people for a plethora of reasons (religion, fantasy, escape reality, conspiracy, etc.) just want to desperately latch onto anything without much concern for logical, meaningful, or scientific investigation or the truth.

But something else also comes to mind. Take for example a company, either a movie company or a computer company who develop a marketing strategy to include a viral campaign. This campaign consists of drone pictures and a number of various witnesses to lend credibility. The dissemination venue is of course C2C or LMH. It would not be unreasonable to think that monies would be paid (discreetly of course) to maintain plausible deniability. In other words neither George nor Linda would be directly linked monetarily to the viral campaign.

Now imagine for example that as soon as this campaign starts it is declared a hoax. That would certainly put a crimp in your advertising campaign if it were known that your product was founded on a hoax.

So it would behoove the business interests to preserve as best as possible and for as long as possible a credible doubt that the drones could be real. A contingency plan would have to be formulated along with the viral marketing plan to defend the reality of the viral hoax.

Again, plausible deniability would have to be engaged. That is, there could be no direct involvement or connection to the parent company.

The way to defend the drone reality would be to have (through third-party connections) paid protagonists. It would be their job to stifle hoax discussion and lend credibility to the reality concept. They would do this by any means possible, specifically to monitor the various paranormal/bulletin boards and interject comments etc. but most importantly to appear as independent members of the public. The nature of the Internet, and the anonymity provided by the various bulletin boards would be a perfect way to engage this defensive measure.

A few well planted (keystone species) members of the public acting as protagonists would naturally garner a following of the "I want to believes" these people have a greater instinct than lemmings. It would be easy to organize that following into a purposeful discussion group i.e. DRT.

This explains, to me, (what appears as obsessive/compulsive) the behavior of the likes of such people as numbers and others obsessively committed to the drone reality.


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« Reply #1339 on: Jan 18th, 2009, 08:15am »

I saw that on the DRT site too.

A few dedicated imaginative sly people could have done this for free or little cost. Most costs involved would be the value they place on their time and effort. I doubt cost would have even been discussed by the pranksters and perhaps some even volunteered their services. How many worry about the costs of their hobbies or other pastimes? No dollars involved with posting pictures and stories on the web and the free publicity, small audience frenzy follows automatically. Find some outlet (C2C, Linda) to dump it on and it runs on autopilot if it can create some “buzz”.

Assuming high costs for super computers, artists, director, production house, writers, publicist and host of other requirements are giving way too much credit. If this was some high cost funded effort it failed in providing any real ROI in terms of money or some clever deep goal – except the jollies. If for toying with or studying how a handful of hardcore believers and non-believers react – maybe. Perhaps even these posts will end up as data. shocked If doing the same with the general public – a grade of “B” for effort and presentation but a “D-” overall for failing to maintain nothing more than perhaps a passing interest on first seeing the images.

As to why in this age of instant communications the hoax is not revealed and the hoaxers gloating? Why would hoaxers have to disclose it and gloat – the results do a fine job of that. The instant communications made the hoax possible in the first place. Why ruin the fun for the small group of followers? The general public could care less if a hoax since they do not know what a drone or CARET is. What’s to be gained by coming forward now unless it’s to clear one’s conscience or stroke an ego some more. The latter could easily backfire.

This has all been said too many times and it’s like pushing a rope. I’m starting to lose interest as well. tongue
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« Reply #1340 on: Jan 18th, 2009, 08:42am »

Don't forget "Isaac's" web site, set up by an attorney. Somebody is paying the PIs, too. That's not cheap. This isn't just some nuts who "want to believe." It is that, but there is more to it.
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« Reply #1341 on: Jan 18th, 2009, 09:14am »

I think we are starting to get a glimpse of the “more to it”

I’m leaning towards the “more to it” viral campaign aspects, rather than a well organized bunch of rich kids in one of those Arts and Design Collages, just having fun.
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« Reply #1342 on: Jan 18th, 2009, 09:19am »

I finally figured out where I have seen a drone before. When looking towards a bright sky or even a snowy background, I notice a floater in my left eye that is identical to the Raj drone.... grin grin grin
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« Reply #1343 on: Jan 18th, 2009, 10:01am »

on Jan 18th, 2009, 09:19am, Jeddyhi wrote:
I finally figured out where I have seen a drone before. When looking towards a bright sky or even a snowy background, I notice a floater in my left eye that is identical to the Raj drone.... grin grin grin

Hi Jedd,

That sounds vaguely familiar!! grin

Reminiscent of the 1967 ‘Drone’ (which was possibly the inspiration for the most recent Drone designs):

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The witness reported the incident to the Ministry of Defence in London and received an official reply from L. W. Akhurst, who investigated the sighting. "We do not doubt that the experience which you have described was a very vivid one, nor have we overlooked your long association with aviation," Akhurst wrote.

"However, we are unable to agree with your conclusion that you saw a controlled flying vehicle of unique design and performance."

The Ministry official went on to expound a theory that Brooks, who experienced "some years ago" a corneal transplant as a result of an eye injury, actually saw "a vitreous floater—a piece of loose matter (a dead cell) floating in the fluid of the
eyeball." These floaters, Akhurst said, sometimes appear as rods or discs and can be more pronounced by a corneal transplant.

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« Reply #1344 on: Jan 18th, 2009, 10:01am »

Is the investigation all part of the plot from day 1? If so, it fails in making the story any better now. Only a few care. It attracts mainly people on fringe belief internet sites. At the end of it all, the conclusion is either a proven hoax headline or a don’t know statement that will be buried on some back page if carried at all. A “It’s Real” headline will be met with disbelief and just starts the game over again.

I have seen nothing that hints at this being capable of selling movie tickets, increasing TV ratings, selling books, magazines, DVD's, T-Shirts, etc. except to a very narrow audience. If it were being covered regularly in the tabloid media or news I’d maybe accept more of it. If it’s some aborted marketing ploy, the ball was dropped shortly after the Fox PI interview. They should cut their losses, and vanish unless the hole is too big to exit gracefully.
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« Reply #1345 on: Jan 18th, 2009, 10:25am »

Well, you can look at Sysco's timeline over at ATS and see how well some known facts correlate with a certain TV/movie production, along with unpredictable variables like the writers strike and debunking efforts. Corporate media is all about control, and the DRT has been trying to control the discussion since day one, when they were not even called the DRT. It could well be that the DRT is the only thing keeping us from tying the drones to their owners. They at least attempt to keep the question open, if not provide some facade of legitimacy to the whole thing. Their efforts are getting feeble and desperate, but someone wants them to keep going. Someone who can pay the PIs to keep up the semblance of an investigation. Think those guys do it for free?
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« Reply #1346 on: Jan 18th, 2009, 11:56am »

on Jan 18th, 2009, 09:19am, Jeddyhi wrote:
I finally figured out where I have seen a drone before. When looking towards a bright sky or even a snowy background, I notice a floater in my left eye that is identical to the Raj drone.... grin grin grin


Watch out Jedd! That's almost enough to launch a religion right there. grin Don't nobody tell LMH or WS!
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« Reply #1347 on: Jan 18th, 2009, 12:08pm »

Yes DoubleNaught, they indeed are getting desperate, when one of the chief protagonists can put themselves in the "grey basket" with Stanton Friedman.
who I am sure, would distance himself from them.
And it certainly looks like a basket case.
In his delusion he is identifying himself as a non-believer now, as someone who is a victim of kidnapping does. This is oft referred to as the stockholm syndrome, where victim starts identifying with the captor, to bring some sanity and control to his situation.
I believe this same person had compared himself to Einstein at one time, We have a tremendous ego at work here that seems to be disturbed that this did not rank with Roswell, or even that incident that Dr.Dil posted.


Some accuse us of being the nasty DRT, full of believers. That is totally back-asswards! We are the non-believers. The believers are those who believe 100% it's a hoax. We are the ones who are not sure and are working towards answers. I guess this puts us on the same side as Stanton Friedman who has his grey basket. source droneteam.com mars Ave speaks. 10538 speaking. 1/18/09
I find it strange, they have the answers already, and wont reveal them, just what answers are they looking for?

I really enjoy the choice for colors in posting remarks here by the way, and I hope the little girl pink is appropriate, in this case tongue
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« Reply #1348 on: Jan 18th, 2009, 12:25pm »

11A just left an odd post here:

http://lucianarchy.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=cali1&action=display&thread=4881


A bit strange since they know the location.

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« Reply #1349 on: Jan 18th, 2009, 12:30pm »

on Jan 18th, 2009, 12:25pm, Marvin wrote:
11A just left an odd post here:

http://lucianarchy.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=cali1&action=display&thread=4881


A bit strange since they know the location.



They have also added it to their forum index page.

After two years and finding 3 sighting locations, they are still on square one.....needing a photo witness to come forward. Guess nobody around the pole location ever heard of Raj! How sad. cry

Think about it. Thousands of dollars spent on the investigation and they are down to pleading for Raj to come forward. Still hoping its real. Still denying that Raj, Chad, Ty, Stephen, etc....are all hoaxers. They were anonymous for a reason. Hoaxers do not like to come forward.

Good Luck DRT.
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