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« Reply #1350 on: Jan 18th, 2009, 12:44pm »

Ah... this just in:

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We can't tell you idiot believers where the pole is because YOU WILL SCARE THE HOUSE AWAY!! This is a very delicate investigation and it will take time so just get used to it. We don't have to tell you anything!
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« Reply #1351 on: Jan 18th, 2009, 12:56pm »

I can understand this tactic if they have an idea who it is but not enough to risk a false accusation that would spread. Legalities and such - give the person an opportunity to initiate the contact. Maybe it's another tactic to make the person think they have him when they don't. Flush them out with some phsych 203. grin

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« Reply #1352 on: Jan 18th, 2009, 1:03pm »

on Jan 18th, 2009, 12:44pm, Double Nought Spy wrote:
Ah... this just in:

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We can't tell you idiot believers where the pole is because YOU WILL SCARE THE HOUSE AWAY!! This is a very delicate investigation and it will take time so just get used to it. We don't have to tell you anything!




The sharing of information is more likely about "rights" to the story... than fears of chasing away witnesses.

If a witness lives there... where are they going to go? They cannot packup and leave over night. And if "Raj" does not have any relatives living there... what do we have left as an answer? The two house theory will not apply. Raj is no where to be found... and another plea to come forward (Raj is the one with fake photos)? Yea, this time it will work. wink
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« Reply #1353 on: Jan 18th, 2009, 1:07pm »

I think. imo, they gave him an ultimatum, that they will expose location, if he does not contact them
But it would seem, the PI's Dixon and Davis, would have knocked on the door by now, as they have the location and know already.

Exposing the physical location does not really threaten Rajman1977 as it was never his house anyway. He lived an hour away. If this is courtesy, well then, I recall in reviewing the OpenMinds Forum, the Administrator, Bren?, putting out a similar plea in large fonts. Sadly falling on deaf ears, yet he and Ivo50 had IP information all along from his earlier posts finding them Raj and Chad in same area.. Strange, isn't it?
Just like here.

He has already been asked that, and I doubt he will come forth, as a standup person would.

The best the Drone Team can do, is to reveal the location, and make it a testament to their skills, which they accomplished without the PI's, and certainly no one would question, I am certain.
That is the right thing to do.


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« Reply #1354 on: Jan 18th, 2009, 1:37pm »

Here is another slant. The viral marketing protagonist may not want to take such a leadership role but rather may sit back and encourage a promising "want to believe". He provides encouragement and technical expertise when needed, but lets the "want to believe" take the heat and shoulder the bulk of the work. He could thus direct progress from a safe distance which also maintains plausible deniability for the "want to believe". From this position he could also look for other fertile "want to believes" to cultivate should the primary "want to believe" fail or lose interest.

And I think the purpose of the PIs was to get the gig back in the public limelight, not to actually find the hoaxers!
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« Reply #1355 on: Jan 18th, 2009, 1:58pm »

That immediate merchandising of T shirts I noted from that researcher's post at ATS , seems to substantiate that Gort. Have you noticed this thing has run like a performance contract, looking at all the timelines starting with Fox.?
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread289007/pg407 scroll down.
Anyway, I agree. Thats why we all also are curious, where the money came from. I noted from remarks by a DRT member that there is no one person in charge, yet, they behave as if there is someone in charge.

I am just a waitress, in a software company cafeteria, and may not know much, except a little about money, and I love big tippers, but
I cannot fathom any donor wiring tens of thousands of dollars to PIs across the Atlantic, that would cover, time, travel and expenses, and all the results are coming from the DRT camp itself, and not the PI's. themselves., and still be donating, while they are moonlighting merchandising. Does that make sense?
They have not even gotten a followup interview with LA times. Maybe that is coming.
Yes, a rather unfathomable arrangement I think.
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« Reply #1356 on: Jan 18th, 2009, 4:06pm »

on Jan 18th, 2009, 1:37pm, Gort wrote:
Here is another slant. The viral marketing protagonist may not want to take such a leadership role but rather may sit back and encourage a promising "want to believe". He provides encouragement and technical expertise when needed, but lets the "want to believe" take the heat and shoulder the bulk of the work. He could thus direct progress from a safe distance which also maintains plausible deniability for the "want to believe". From this position he could also look for other fertile "want to believes" to cultivate should the primary "want to believe" fail or lose interest.

And I think the purpose of the PIs was to get the gig back in the public limelight, not to actually find the hoaxers!


Gort, with all respect, I'm just wondering how you are going to analyse yourself for everyone when you turn out to be completely wrong... cheesy
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« Reply #1357 on: Jan 18th, 2009, 4:50pm »

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Hoping you are reading this, you can guess we would like very much to talk with you. We do not want to expose you to the public. Your privacy and anonymity will be preserved.
Please contact DRT at T.K.Davis Investigations, either by mail, email or phone. A visit to the website below will get you the contact information. Please use the residence's name so we know it is you.

http://www.tkdavisinvestigations.com/

We have been working on this case for almost 2 years now, we leave the choice to you to help us.


After reading this a couple of times, it almost sounds as if they have determined it is indeed a hoax and want Raj to elaborate the details, promising not to expose him, just elaborate on some specifics.....kind of the feeling I get anyway. I could be wrong but it just doesn't read like an invite to a shy authentic witness. undecided

If the residents are familiar with Raj, it seems as if they are reluctant to help. But certainly the premise of the story can be confirmed without Raj, ie; Raj is the daughter's fiance and her parents did witness the drone, etc....

I'm interested to know if the actual location of the pole is a heavy traffic area or in a bustling neighborhood.
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« Reply #1358 on: Jan 18th, 2009, 5:05pm »

It'd be a good one if Raj does not know the resident's name and thus can't prove he's Raj. shocked
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« Reply #1359 on: Jan 18th, 2009, 5:56pm »

on Jan 18th, 2009, 5:05pm, Katterfelto wrote:
It'd be a good one if Raj does not know the resident's name and thus can't prove he's Raj. shocked




Some interesting insight K…

How would “they” contact the DRT and demonstrate “proof” of their identity?


Edit to add: And after all of this time (and with all of the earlier pleas), why would they want do it?
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« Reply #1360 on: Jan 18th, 2009, 6:06pm »

on Jan 18th, 2009, 5:56pm, Marvin wrote:
Some interesting insight K…

How would “they” contact the DRT and demonstrate “proof” of their identity?

Isn’t that the point of not revealing the location?

Because as Katterfelto says if anyone who contacts the PI’s can’t provide the correct address or the names of its residents (Raj’s fiancés parents) then it’s not Raj (as even the hoaxer should know the street/area).

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« Reply #1361 on: Jan 18th, 2009, 6:18pm »

Why do I get the feeling that, very soon now, Raj will contact the PIs, know the address, have a great story to cover the discrepancies, get scared, and well we all know the routine. rolleyes

Just when you thought it couldn't get any dumber, the Drone Resuscitation Team figures out a way!

Enough of this childish nonsense. Show bidness is one thing, fraud is quite another.
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« Reply #1362 on: Jan 18th, 2009, 6:34pm »

Perhaps they should put up a picture of the house and pole without saying where it is, so Raj will know the PI's really have the location, and it is not some reworked picture of the original lamp and poles.

By this time, the PI's have also the names of the family members inside, just by a simple reverse address, and may have spoken with the residents, and tell what nationality they are, or how they acted, even if they seem to deny any involvement, and there was a Rajman to begin with, then by this time they have alerted him, or if he read, he alerted them not to say anything.

If they can confirm that by chance there is indeed a mechanical engineer living there , with a wife, son and daughter, then they might have something. It seems as it was the brother in laws camera, then someone there has a heap of pictures. Whoever is living there, is more important than Rajman, if we are to believe Rajman.

So this strikes me a little odd, as they dont need Rajman in person, they need this family and house to get a definitive conclusion.
All Rajman can do is take you to them for corroboration.
Therefore, you are already there. Why delay even a moment, let alone 3 weeks go by. I don't understand that.

This tells me, given the length of time since , Dec.29, 2008, over 20 days, that there may be no such described family, engineer, and graphics artist, mother and daughter, inside the house with porch there. IMHO sad

But let's be optimistic,
Since that is the neighborhood, then it's perfect to ask the neighbors, have they seen that craft, as Rajman specifically stated he told everybody he could about that since plan A and Plan B failed, then that as a Plan C might be the only chance left.




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« Reply #1363 on: Jan 18th, 2009, 6:53pm »

Sure would be a shame if the PIs ended up losing their license over a stupid Internet hoax. embarassed How embarrassing!
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« Reply #1364 on: Jan 18th, 2009, 7:54pm »

Sorry to go back so far but I remembered this exchange from earlier in the month between 11A and myself. Here is a screenshot of the part I want to address.
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The post referenced above is located on page 49 of this thread. I knew I remembered something of an outdoor concert on the day of the Raj sighting. Either 11A completely forgot this part of the case, or just acted like he did. Regardless, the information is from the Santa Cruz Sentinal dated 3-26-2008 and the title of the Article is:

"UFO probe leads to Capitola, but not to answers"

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"Dispatch records from May 16, 2007, show no one called police to report seeing anything unusual. Ehle said he is highly skeptical that the photo or the UFO is real because he said there would have been several thousand people downtown for a concert that night, and someone would have called 911 if they saw something suspicious."

So just to set the record straight, I was correct. Interestingly, this article refers to Isaac as a "blogger" just like the SCC TV show refered to Abraham as a "blogger". Coincidence I guess!!

The archived article is written by J.M. Brown. His email address is at the end of the article. I wonder if he would be interested in knowing the pole was found 3 weeks ago?

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