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« Reply #1440 on: Jan 21st, 2009, 5:53pm »

on Jan 21st, 2009, 4:57pm, Katterfelto wrote:


Never heard of these guys. Looks like the breakup did yield some crackers and I do like that song “Low” with the junkie cosmonaut. cool


They did the bowling for columbine theme too, in fact the lead guy Dave Lowery has his own studio in Va, and group in Santa cruz, and produced under Virgin records, then went on to better and bigger things, like movies and films, as well as music production. They are the cats meow I understand.

But, I agree, maybe we can still try alternative methods to see if the case is real. I figure, lawyers are real smart too, and I found a psychic one at that!
I was reading the article and i noted COSC, what is that?Thats not the COS is it?
Is he any good? Maybe we should email him and ask him to take a crack at it. If Isaac has his, why not us?
http://www.victorzammit.com/articlesdavid/karenellis.htm
It was soooo interesting.
That lady sure sounded happy.
I remember Fore had tried remote viewing and he said there had been a squabble, of course that was when everything stopped in July 2007, and the drone story went belly up, and Fore went kind of blank too, but he tried his darndest.
I noted Jedd is persuing the circuit thing, if he blows up the wide fins node in the lap you can see these dots, that are arranged like sensors on them.
Maybe if the aliens use earth people as slaves, to repair their ships, mow their lawns, babysit , just like Eartlings do their own aliens here, they would need to know how to read their language a little, I think. smiley
Thats why I don't trust those Nordic Ets. They look too much like us.
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« Reply #1441 on: Jan 21st, 2009, 6:11pm »

on Jan 21st, 2009, 5:53pm, Denise wrote:
I agree, maybe we can still try alternative methods to see if the case is real. I figure, lawyers are real smart too, and I found a psychic one at that!
I was reading the article and i noted COSC, what is that?Thats not the COS is it?
Is he any good? Maybe we should email him and ask him to take a crack at it.
http://www.victorzammit.com/articlesdavid/karenellis.htm


huh LOL.. wrong family.......!
btw.. my family take no prisoners or nonsense..
believe me..
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« Reply #1442 on: Jan 21st, 2009, 6:20pm »

What are you talking about Tomi, that Zammit lawyer sounded good, even has a one million dollar reward to anyone who can disprove him.
Now as far as that Crackers guy goes, I wonder if he is related to this Gary Lowery guy. Its a big family you know, common name ,but it would be great if he was related somehow. That group always talks about ufos too. I bet they have an opinion and maybe even want to come on here.
Its worth a try!
http://www.uforc.com/religion/AF-journal2_UFORCE_p1.html

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You have to add something concrete Tomi, an empty veiled threat means nothing, and why would you even say something horrible like that?
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« Reply #1443 on: Jan 21st, 2009, 6:28pm »

on Jan 21st, 2009, 6:20pm, Denise wrote:
Tomi Said:
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You have to add something concrete Tomi, an empty veiled threat means nothing, and why would you even say something horrible like that?


he he he he... you obviously haven't met my sister grin
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« Reply #1444 on: Jan 21st, 2009, 6:34pm »

on Jan 21st, 2009, 6:28pm, tomi01uk wrote:
he he he he... you obviously haven't met my sister grin


Why are you avoiding the topic?have you run out of material to push or what Tomi. It sounds like you are on a personal vendetta, than here seeking answers, or even helping, or even sticking to the topic.
How long have you been feeling like this Tomi?
If you have a problem with me you know how to use the private messaging system here, I am sure.
g'day
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« Reply #1445 on: Jan 21st, 2009, 7:19pm »

Jeddyhi This is what I saw on the fan blades, near the tips.
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Anyway just a thought, but it may be just Tech Art like no real function, just process, like those boing boing and Steampunk people do to their art.
That pink diagram I may pass on to ATS as the very bottom has little links that look like chain links, and are like that odd diagram they have over there.
The leviathan group used World of Warcraft , and Starwars lettering and symbols, mixed in. I bet that will really do some antigravity tricks for us. smiley
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« Reply #1446 on: Jan 21st, 2009, 11:30pm »

on Jan 21st, 2009, 08:52am, Jeddyhi wrote:
Food for thought break!

I had a thought this morning concerning the "language" that Isaac explained for us. Here is a brief excerpt from Isaac talking about the symbols.

But their technology is different. It really did operate like the magical piece of paper sitting on a table, in a manner of speaking. They had something akin to a language, that could quite literally execute itself, at least in the presence of a very specific type of field. The language, a term I am still using very loosely, is a system of symbols (which does admittedly very much resemble a written language) along with geometric forms and patterns that fit together to form diagrams that are themselves functional. Once they are drawn, so to speak, on a suitable surface made of a suitable material and in the presence of a certain type of field, they immediately begin performing the desired tasks. It really did seem like magic to us, even after we began to understand the principles behind it.

This sounds fine and dandy at first glance but I thought to myself that the symbols themselves must not be responsible for the antigravity since there is a specific unit "A1" that appears to do that job. Granted, there are symbols on the unit, but they are the same configuration of symbols that are displayed on the outside of the Chad/Raj drones which leads me to the point I wish to make. The symbols are not meant to be read by anyone's eyes, human or alien. They are supposedly computational directions that provide instrructional data to perform a specific task or multiple specific tasks.

So my rhetorical question is this. Why are the symbols on display on the outside surface of the chad/raj drone? Would this technology work if the symbols were hidden from view, ie; painted over or placed on an inside surface? The symbols, which according to Isaac are representitive of an Alien programming code that self executes, appear to be on display for our viewing pleasure. It would be like the computer on your desk having binary code written all over the outside casing of your tower.

Since our binary code is not self executional like the drone 'language', there would be no sense in doing that. And even if binary code was 'magical', would it have to be on display for viewing by our human eyes to work?

The display of a supposed Alien self-executing programming language on open air surfaces seems to be for the viewers benefit. If we could not see the symbols, then the Isaac CARET story would not be as effective since we would not have symbols to compare and link to the LAP.

In essence, the symbols were displayed for us to set the stage for the Isaac story.

I understand this is all supposition and opinion based. That is why my questions are rhetorically based. I expect no answers, just providing a little food for thought.

The language is not meant to be read by any lifeform, Human of Alien, so why display it?

Thoughts and comments are welcome! wink



Interesting observations, Jedd. The more you look at Isaac's fiction, the less you see. Like a good TV script, it makes some connections very obvious but really doesn't need to make sense, since willing suspension of disbelief is a given.

As for the Rajpole sideshow, I hereby nominate our fearless PIs for the Dairy Award. Milkin' it for all it's worth. But then, coming clean about the whereabouts of the poles and that durned street light would probably not help T shirt sales.
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« Reply #1447 on: Jan 21st, 2009, 11:50pm »

Hi double welcome back
I just found an old post I had been looking for.
Back in the fist days from Shawna who busted those serpo people.
A Lawyer, CARET, and Weird Flying Things
By admin | June 29, 2007 - 4:43 am - Posted in The Strange, News
(NOTE: Direct links originally put in this entry to images hosted by Fortunecity.com don’t work, re-direct to a site logo. You’ll have to follow the link to the Fortunecity site mentioned below, the main site, and then look at the photos from there.)

If you had grown up in my family, you would have become enamored of the weird as well.

My family lived well off the main road and there were no streetlights. We were parked in the middle of 7 acres. On two sides our property was bounded by dense woods, the third side by a field that stretched away to our neighbor’s home. Beyond that was Highway 41, the only non-country sound you could hear outside my house at night, even though it was just a distant hushing, most of the time, broken by the occasional growl of motorcycle in high gear or the whoop of a siren as a police car chased the cyclist down.

We also told stories sometimes in my home, and my memory may be off, but it seems they would tend towards the spooky. My grandfather’s encounter with a UFO in the late 1930’s, the ghost he saw walking alongside my grandmother on their farm one day. Everyone in my family had a tale of odd lights in the sky, actually. I can’t think of one of my own, but I make up for the lack of potential aliens with a ghostly encounter or two — I’ll save those for another blog entry.

I’ve been listening to the late night paranormal-themed radio show Coast to Coast AM for several years now — probably 10 years, at this point. Not every night, but often enough. I’m still a fan of Art Bell’s, and I like the show’s full-time guy George Noory, as well.

If I ever come off as a debunker, please know that it isn’t because I’m the nasty sort of skeptic who likes to smack people around with my own unimaginative brand of reality. It is because, a little like Fox Mulder, I want to believe. So hoaxers piss me off. The sad thing about much of what you hear on Coast to Coast and encounter online of a paranormal nature is that it’s b.s., pure and simple.

I’ve been looking into this sort of stuff for a long time and almost never blogged about it. But to establish that this blog is both the same and different, I figured it was time I went ahead and wrote up a different kind of online investigation. The style and the research will be familiar to my CrimeBlog readers, but the subject matter is different, and in its way just as intriguing.

In April of 2007, a guy named Chad and his wife were taking a walk when they saw a strange machine in the sky. In May, Chad wrote to Coast to Coast AM about the experience. A quote from one of Chad’s e-mails to the show:

First of all, I see this thing VERY often. Since it first appeared, I have probably seen this thing maybe 8 different times since the first appearance (…)

It is almost totally silent but not quite. It makes kind of “crackling” noises. It’s hard to describe them but they are only intermittent and not very loud, but you can notice them. Sometimes there is a very slight hum that sounds kind of mechanical, almost like when you are near very large power lines. But it is nothing loud like a jet engine, it is very quiet for the most part.

It moves almost like an insect. If you have ever seen a bug on a pond, it is kind of like that. It is VERY smooth and slow most of the time, but then every now and then it will rotate very quickly and go VERY fast into another direction, then stop, and repeat the process all over again. There is just something very unnatural about the way it moves…

“Chad” (probably not his real name) went on to say that he was beginning to get headaches since he started seeing the “drone,” and his wife was experiencing some strange symptoms too.

Photos of the drone show an odd, asymmetrical device with what look like runic symbols or hieroglyphs inscribed on portions of the machine. The page I’ve linked at Coast to Coast AM has Chad’s photos, and one of them is peculiarly close, the “hieroglyphs” distinct enough to read — if one could read them, that is.

A journalist named Linda Moulton Howe picked up the story for Coast to Coast, and began covering it at her own site, Earthfiles.com.

Howe reported to George Noory tonight on Coast that sightings of these dragonfly-like “drones” may date back to the late ’80s. She also broadcast an interview she’d done by phone with a man who reported seeing one of these objects. At first he was fairly plausible, then he went into the inevitable “the gummint threatened to kill me if I talked about this” paranoia to explain why he was speaking out anonymously.

The story was already odd, intriguing, for sure. What happened on June 26, 2007 ramped up the weird level considerably. That was when “Isaac” dropped into the story.

Using the web address isaaccaret.fortunecity.com, this person posted numerous documents and photographs that purported to prove that he’d worked for something called the Palo Alto CARET Laboratory. “CARET” stood for Commercial Applications Research for Extraterrestrial Technology.

The photos (examples: 1, 2, 3 **links broken, see note at beginning of entry**) seem to show instruments that share certain characteristics with the drones seen by Chad, including odd symbols inscribed on the machines.

Here is some of what “Isaac” wrote on the main page of his site:


My time at the DoD was mostly uneventful but I was there for quite a while. I apparently proved myself to be reasonably intelligent and loyal. By 1984 these qualities along with my technical background made me a likely candidate for a new program they were recruiting for called “CARET”.

...
So, the guy was working with super-secret extraterrestrial technology, the kind of technology that is supposedly so well-guarded at Area 51 that you can be shot just for getting in spitting distance of a guard shack, yet he was able to carry stuff out in his pants?

I believe these weird drones are the work of a clever model maker, and that they aren’t extraterrestrial at all. But my goal when I began this blog entry was not to point out that Chad’s photos were probably of an easily-explained and very real flying machine made by a clever human with too much time on his or her hands, but that Isaac is perpetuating a not-very clever portion of the hoax all his own.

The paranormal Web being what it is, though, he’s already got traction from hell by getting the attention of Coast to Coast.

First, the photos of the documents Isaac reportedly took home just scream modern-day word processor. Here’s just one example (link broken — see note at head of entry). If you take a hard look at the page, the first thing you think is it simply looks too new. Of course, computerized word processing has been around for a long time now, and could have been used to make technical documents in 1986.

So I checked something else, just out of curiosity.

Even though the website doesn’t exist yet, on June 26, 2007, the same day Isaac uploaded all his images at isaaccaret.fortunecity.com, a man in Oregon named Todd Schwartz registered the following domain name: isaaccaret.com. Here’s a cut and paste from the data as retrieved by www.domaintools.com on June 29, 2007 with some emphasis thrown in:

Registrant:

Todd Schwartz
155 B Avenue
Suite 240
Lake Oswego, Oregon 97034
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: ISAACCARET.COM
Created on: 26-Jun-07
Expires on: 27-Jun-08
Last Updated on: 26-Jun-07

Todd Schwartz in Lake Oswego, Oregon, appears to be an attorney. This is his firm’s website: www.csb-llc.com.

Based on the Findlaw.com profile for him, Mr. Schwartz typically handles business and commercial law, contracts, accidents, personal injury, wills, and estate administration. Schwartz’s bio on his firm’s website suggests why he might now be the owner of the isaaccaret.com screen name:

Mr. Schwartz has in-depth experience serving as an advocate for investment advisory firms and their investment advisor representatives. He has defended investment advisory clients in mediations, arbitrations and trials. Mr. Schwartz has licensed investment advisory firms in Washington, Oregon, California, Alaska, Ohio, Texas and other states…

Investments. Hmm…

So… did Todd Schwartz spot an opening, a potential investment, before just about anyone else even knew “Isaac’s” site was up and jump on it, or did he register the site on Isaac’s behalf? Or is he Isaac?

If he registered the domain name for a client for some reason, then attorney-client protection won’t permit him revealing anything about the transaction. If he is Isaac, I doubt he’d want to admit that, either. It doesn’t seem too respectable, the idea that a lawyer might create a fake website to cash in on the believers in black helicopters and alien conspiracies.

The isaaccaret fortunecity.com site may have been in existence for a while (no Google cache of the text from the page is dated earlier than June 27, that I could see), but a right-click in Firefox and selecting “View page info” shows that the images attached to Isaac’s page were all uploaded within the same hour early on June 26th. It was after this that both Linda Moulton Howe and Coast to Coast AM picked up on the site, Isaac’s story, and his claims about these bizarre antigravity machines having been in development for years. Isaac’s weird tale of alien technology and stolen tech papers stuffed in his pants was all over the...
yeah..it was nice to see that again.Huffingtons site is down, but glad Shawna preserved it..


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« Reply #1448 on: Jan 22nd, 2009, 12:58am »

on Jan 21st, 2009, 4:57pm, Katterfelto wrote:


Never heard of these guys. Looks like the breakup did yield some crackers and I do like that song “Low” with the junkie cosmonaut. cool


I found this in the ARC library and its from xeroid, a copy specialist , He commented how special the parcc xerox dataglyphs were. Then ended his post and never came back.

Hope this has added something of interest to this cool thread. If this is a hoax it's a cracker!

Regards
Xeroid.

yes xeroid, wayyyy kewl, I bet it is a crackercheesy
I think even Sysco missed that one, it sounds like
an insiders joke to me.laugh
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« Reply #1449 on: Jan 22nd, 2009, 10:14am »

From my post at OMF.

Isaac states:

"Most of the internal "matter" in their crafts (usually everything but the outermost housing) is actually this substrate and can contribute to computation at any time and in any state."

Isaac seems to imply that the outmost housing or surface of a drone is not made of substrate material. Therefore the symbols visible to us are indeed purely cosmetic which would point to a hoax scenario.

The picture of the A1 device with the floating curved pieces would seem to be showing the substrate material (the curved pieces) etched with instructional code.

So again I am wondering why the drones (or craft as Isaac calls them. He never refers to them as drones, and craft would also imply they can be manned) have the symbols on display when it is not readable by the substrate since the the symbols are not drawn on the substrate?

This is a real head scratcher for me.
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« Reply #1450 on: Jan 22nd, 2009, 10:33am »

Anybody remember silly putty?

If you hooked it up to a microphone and said ball it would comply, and if you said circle it would comply, square, etc.

Great stuff, that too was alien.
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« Reply #1451 on: Jan 22nd, 2009, 11:39am »

"Most of the internal "matter" in their crafts (usually everything but the outermost housing) is actually this substrate and can contribute to computation at any time and in any state."

Yes thats amazing guys, ink and paper, a fantastic mash substrate, have always been great contributors to computation, both in input and output. smiley, Thanks to computations, the need for more increases with the amount of computation at any time and even state, on or off.
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« Reply #1452 on: Jan 22nd, 2009, 11:59am »

on Jan 22nd, 2009, 10:33am, Gort wrote:
Anybody remember silly putty?

If you hooked it up to a microphone and said ball it would comply, and if you said circle it would comply, square, etc.

Great stuff, that too was alien.


Wait... the drones are made of Silly Putty? They're silly all right.
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« Reply #1453 on: Jan 22nd, 2009, 12:07pm »

on Jan 22nd, 2009, 10:14am, Jeddyhi wrote:
From my post at OMF.

Isaac states:

"Most of the internal "matter" in their crafts (usually everything but the outermost housing) is actually this substrate and can contribute to computation at any time and in any state."

Isaac seems to imply that the outmost housing or surface of a drone is not made of substrate material. Therefore the symbols visible to us are indeed purely cosmetic which would point to a hoax scenario.


Here is the whole quote from Isaac:

"First of all, you wouldn't open up their hardware to find a CPU here, and a data bus there, and some kind of memory over there. Their hardware appeared to be perfectly solid and consistent in terms of material from one side to the other. Like a rock or a hunk of metal. But upon [much] closer inspection, we began to learn that it was actually one big holographic computational substrate - each "computational element" (essentially individual particles) can function independently, but are designed to function together in tremendously large clusters. I say its holographic because you can divide it up into the smallest chunks you want and still find a scaled-down but complete representation of the whole system. They produce a nonlinear computational output when grouped. So 4 elements working together is actually more than 4 times more powerful than 1. Most of the internal "matter" in their crafts (usually everything but the outermost housing) is actually this substrate and can contribute to computation at any time and in any state. The shape of these "chunks" of substrate also had a profound effect on its functionality, and often served as a "shortcut" to achieve a goal that might otherwise be more complex."


He is specifically referring to the hardware in your quote and doesn't mention the an actual craft there. So I guess, instead of having a big computer, there is just a block of that material, IMO...

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« Reply #1454 on: Jan 22nd, 2009, 12:39pm »

I'm confused. He specifically does mention the crafts:

"Most of the internal "matter" in their crafts (usually everything but the outermost housing) is actually this substrate and can contribute to computation at any time and in any state."

Usually everything but the outermost housing. So if the symbols are not on the substrate, what is their purpose? The drone gets its mission parameters (or directions) from symbols drawn on the substrate, which is apparently internal. No symbols are needed on the outside unless their computational language doubles as their communitive language. I suppose that is plausible but would be a rather confusing way to communicate with one another.
It would mean their spoken and written language is what reacts to a certain field. Isaac never suggested such a scenario.
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