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« Reply #1455 on: Jan 22nd, 2009, 1:24pm »

Jeddyhi that certainly does say what you say. I do not see any ambiguity. If letters on outside hull are not computational, nor add to it, its no better than a doodle on paper. Its decoration. Maybe they are advertising their software, like windows does at every opportunity.
or their religion, or whatever, but its a decoration, and certainly not an intended message for us. There are better ways to convey that where the most amount of people can see, or in reverse, better ways to hide them if stealth is desired. I am sure they understood the concept of accidents can and do happen. Especially, as they have had a history of crashes, which Isaac attributed to us. We can logically assume, They knew we knew.Then leaving a stealth mode device, with functional lettering on outside would reveal too much for a less advanced but clever race, too high risk leaving them visible, decoration or not. Isaac said that a piece of the substrate was like the whole, except The housing, which if we impute a prime directive to more advanced aliens, that value their own hides, it would necessitate a removal of those letters from the housing, in my opinion.

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« Reply #1456 on: Jan 22nd, 2009, 3:26pm »

What is occurring will not help find the hoaxter, it will only lens the entrenchment we have already witnessed for over a year. They have already stated, they want no experts. In Fact that Genius Surfer stated OMF could grow its own, and well it did, but still not happy.
http://lucianarchy.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=cali1&action=print&thread=2669 pearls of wisdom

To speculate on speculation, is the fertile ground they seek, plenty of exits that reason would not ordinarily allow.

Sidreader came across some excellent material on the French_Spanish hoax, which became, like scientolgy, and Urantia, a cult, albeit limited to the Franco-Spanish area.
The original Hoaxer, a psychologist admitted the hoax, but it was way out of his control by then. What did he expect, providing thousands of alien writing samples, and secret messages.

This is a grand read, and thank you Uncle Sidd
http://www.strangemag.com/ummo.html
Recipients of the UMMO reports dealing with the secrets contained within the propulsion systems of their OAWOLEA UWEA OEM (spacecraft) were fascinated by the presentation of the concepts. UMMO's physics bore no relation to terrestrial physics, and their scientists considered Earth's view of space simplistic, since it didn't factor in a veritable legion of algebraic and geometrical concepts. Space, they explained, consisted of an indefinite number of dimensions, ten of which had been mastered by Ummite technology. Perhaps most distressing to the human recipients was the statement that subatomic particles were merely "the various orientations obtainable in space by the IBOZOO UU (dimensional axises)" -- according to the manner in which the axises were aligned, the spaceships could become mass, matter, energy or any form of radiation. A series of dimensional shifts enabled the Ummite saucers to take shortcuts in space that deviated "from the standard mode of diffusion of light." This ability allowed the Ummites to make the trip between UMMO and our own world in eight or nine months, crossing an interstellar gulf of 14.6 light years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ummo
http://www.ummo-sciences.org/ideo/index.htm you will love the French site.


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« Reply #1457 on: Jan 22nd, 2009, 4:27pm »

Wait... what? UMMO is a hoax? I was about to convert!

There is much to learn from UMMO that applies to the drones and the dronies. That is a very interesting piece that Sidd brought us. Thanks, Sidd.

Jacqes Vallee had some interesting things to say about UMMO. Lots of real ufologists have looked at it and said, "Hoax. But someone went to an awful lot of trouble..." Sound familiar? Soviet spies were among the many suspects in that sorry episode. If UMMO had had a web site online the same day the thing appeared, a web site apparently owned by an attorney who is current in the intellectual property business, then it might have been someone other than "Russian spies" at the top of the suspect list. Here is a quote and a link to the Wiki page where I found it. It, too sounds familiar.

Jacques Vallee has suggested that “UMMO is certainly one of the best examples of the systematic application of confusion techniques in the paranormal field”.

http://tinwiki.org/wiki/Ummo_photos

Vallee also has an amazing story of a whole galaxy of fictional people and planets written by a disturbed person, I think it was, that came to sprawl over many years of the "patient's" life and thousands of pages. The author apparently believed it was all real, and indeed it did have a remarkable cohesiveness about it. I have long suspected that the case was the basis for a series of episodes in Deep Space 9, where Sisko smiley ends up confined to a mental institution in the present time, writing about the adventures on the space station. Everything he writes then takes place on the station. It was one of the freakier stories from that show. I really liked DS9, especially after Sisko established himself as someone not to be trifled with. Anyway, I wish I could find the reference in Vallee's work. I'll keep looking.

So when someone tells me this or that episode has to be real because no one would go to all that trouble just to trick a few nutcases, I say rolleyes
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« Reply #1458 on: Jan 22nd, 2009, 4:59pm »

Double that certainly doubled the value of that post, I think it was Hemingway that said or it was said of, there is a fine line between madness and sanity for many great writers. In this case, the former seems to have exceeded the latter.
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« Reply #1459 on: Jan 22nd, 2009, 6:31pm »

Mmmmmmmm......cobbler.....

Did you make that yourself? wink
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« Reply #1460 on: Jan 22nd, 2009, 7:03pm »

on Jan 22nd, 2009, 3:26pm, Denise wrote:
What is occurring will not help find the hoaxter, it will only lens the entrenchment we have already witnessed for over a year. They have already stated, they want no experts. In Fact that Genius Surfer stated OMF could grow its own, and well it did, but still not happy.
http://lucianarchy.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=cali1&action=print&thread=2669 pearls of wisdom

To speculate on speculation, is the fertile ground they seek, plenty of exits that reason would not ordinarily allow.

Sidreader came across some excellent material on the French_Spanish hoax, which became, like scientolgy, and Urantia, a cult, albeit limited to the Franco-Spanish area.
The original Hoaxer, a psychologist admitted the hoax, but it was way out of his control by then. What did he expect, providing thousands of alien writing samples, and secret messages.

This is a grand read, and thank you Uncle Sidd
http://www.strangemag.com/ummo.html
Recipients of the UMMO reports dealing with the secrets contained within the propulsion systems of their OAWOLEA UWEA OEM (spacecraft) were fascinated by the presentation of the concepts. UMMO's physics bore no relation to terrestrial physics, and their scientists considered Earth's view of space simplistic, since it didn't factor in a veritable legion of algebraic and geometrical concepts. Space, they explained, consisted of an indefinite number of dimensions, ten of which had been mastered by Ummite technology. Perhaps most distressing to the human recipients was the statement that subatomic particles were merely "the various orientations obtainable in space by the IBOZOO UU (dimensional axises)" -- according to the manner in which the axises were aligned, the spaceships could become mass, matter, energy or any form of radiation. A series of dimensional shifts enabled the Ummite saucers to take shortcuts in space that deviated "from the standard mode of diffusion of light." This ability allowed the Ummites to make the trip between UMMO and our own world in eight or nine months, crossing an interstellar gulf of 14.6 light years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ummo
http://www.ummo-sciences.org/ideo/index.htm you will love the French site.




It really is a GRAND read ....Marvelous find Sidd...
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You're making me hungry for some cobbler.. kiss laugh
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« Reply #1461 on: Jan 22nd, 2009, 11:10pm »

POLE LOCATION UPDATE

Posted by Numbers at the DRT forum:

"The investigation is at a stage where I can report that the Raj location is not adjacent to or near Capitola and deception was clearly at work in Raj's report. "
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« Reply #1462 on: Jan 22nd, 2009, 11:16pm »

on Jan 22nd, 2009, 11:10pm, Jeddyhi wrote:
POLE LOCATION UPDATE

Posted by Numbers at the DRT forum:

"The investigation is at a stage where I can report that the Raj location is not adjacent to or near Capitola and deception was clearly at work in Raj's report. "


Killjoys! Next they'll be telling us George Adamski never vacationed on Venus. sad
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« Reply #1463 on: Jan 23rd, 2009, 06:18am »

on Jan 22nd, 2009, 6:31pm, Double Nought Spy wrote:
Mmmmmmmm......cobbler.....

Did you make that yourself? wink


Don't eat it; it's really a bowl of silly putty. When you apply the right code, silly putty transforms. Just apply the silly putty to a piece of paper with the appropriate picture. Lift the silly putty, the picture is on the silly putty, set it aside and watch it transform, truly alien, dronelike.
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« Reply #1464 on: Jan 23rd, 2009, 06:58am »

on Jan 22nd, 2009, 11:10pm, Jeddyhi wrote:
POLE LOCATION UPDATE

Posted by Numbers at the DRT forum:

"The investigation is at a stage where I can report that the Raj location is not adjacent to or near Capitola and deception was clearly at work in Raj's report. "




What a shocking find! shocked

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But the real shock is that Numbers used the "D" word (deception). I want to know "who" he is and what did he do with the real Numbers! wink


The next thing you know, Numbers is going to say the Drone is Photoshopped into the photo and the shadow angles are incorrect. rolleyes
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« Reply #1465 on: Jan 23rd, 2009, 07:03am »

on Jan 23rd, 2009, 06:58am, Marvin wrote:
The next thing you know, Numbers is going to say the Drone is Photoshopped into the photo and the shadow angles are incorrect. rolleyes



If he does, then you know this is not looking good for Isaac's credibility... since his components (from his website) are on this Drone. wink
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« Reply #1466 on: Jan 23rd, 2009, 07:37am »

on Jan 23rd, 2009, 07:03am, Marvin wrote:
If he does, then you know this is not looking good for Isaac's credibility... since his components (from his website) are on this Drone. wink


JMO.. but this still doesn't tell us the witnesses and the drones were done for a 100% hoax.

Maybe the "witnesses" are part of an orchestrated release of elements based in fact. That is why I think this is not your common garden variety hoax. For sure it is too sophisticated to be so IMO. smiley
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« Reply #1467 on: Jan 23rd, 2009, 08:00am »

As usual you are disingenuous and dishonest.
Just what are you growing in your garden? You make no sense.
you are not a 100 percent perfect human, but you can still be called a human, whether you are missing 2 legs or one.
a ninety percent and 100 percent perfect hoax are still If you had applied your standard, then you would have exhausted 100 percent of alternatives to find truth, like the professional experts, 100 percent transparency to get one hundred percent input , instead you limited your search. You are in no position to demand, let alone call this anything other than hoax.
I agree, Timing clearly establishes planning and intent of purpose to show us "something", in this case a fake ufo.

What elements have you seen that show facts or kernels of 'truth" that can stand by themselves.

You sound just like the Ummis we discussed, some still in denial that it was a hoax. That had "elements of verasimilitude too.

"Maybe" is just a "Maybe" speculation. At least Numbers grudgingly or not ,stated a fact Deception, lying, untruthing, whatever its called, it was a lie.

At this point Tomi, since you stated you are no longer researching at DRT, wont divulge anything about anything, like the house to the pole, and you all know the house, have brought nothing to the table, who gives a squat what you think?
Give us an element here that was hidden fact. Convince us its 10 percent real, we did all the hard work already.
When you do, do it honestly.


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on Jan 23rd, 2009, 07:37am, tomi01uk wrote:
JMO.. but this still doesn't tell us the witnesses and the drones were done for a 100% hoax.

Maybe the "witnesses" are part of an orchestrated release of elements based in fact. That is why I think this is not your common garden variety hoax. For sure it is too sophisticated to be so IMO. smiley


I would love to believe that but there is nothing to suggest that this is nothing more than an elaborate hoax orchestrated for the sheer joy of hoaxing.

The power of the average home computer is going to allow for more of these hoaxes and if the online Ufology community does not up the bar of what is expected of a witness, then hoaxes like this will run rampant. Does a wolf avoid the sheep because they are easy targets? No, that is why he targets them.

Sure, anonymous witnesses are going to happen, but when every single witness that takes a photo of a certain craft is anonymous, then found to be deceitful, then add the appearance of an anonymous whistle blower to explain everything....well, sometimes the old saying is right. it's to good to be true.

That is the basic premise of what the objective skeptics have been saying for almost two years. If a case is authentic, it stands on its own weight not needing propped up or excuses made. Nobody thought hoax in Stephensville or any of the other great sightings of the 21st century. Objectivity is a shield. Protect yourself and logically analyze the facts before wishing or hoping that a case is real. It is a simple procedure that must be practiced, or the wolves will linger, ready to pounce!
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« Reply #1469 on: Jan 23rd, 2009, 08:36am »

on Jan 23rd, 2009, 07:37am, tomi01uk wrote:
JMO.. but this still doesn't tell us the witnesses and the drones were done for a 100% hoax.

Maybe the "witnesses" are part of an orchestrated release of elements based in fact. That is why I think this is not your common garden variety hoax. For sure it is too sophisticated to be so IMO. smiley



I know, I know… I have said this many times before:

Complexity does not equal reality… it equals the amount of effort.


The issue is that we are crushed under the sheer volume of the number of these things (hoaxes).

One of my personal favorites is the “dangers” of Dihydrogen Monoxide (also know as DHMO) and Hydrogen Hydroxide. We all are aware of the dangers of monoxide poisoning and what Hydroxides can do the environment.

Once the dangers became known in the State of California, in 1997, petitions to ban these evil chemicals were passed around.

But here is the problem, this was a joke played on the ignorant… DHMO or Dihydrogen Monoxide and Hydrogen Hydroxide are alternate nomenclature names in chemistry for water (H2O). While being technically correct, they are almost never used.

You just have to keep in mind to never under estimate the power of stupid people in large numbers.
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