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« Reply #1470 on: Jan 23rd, 2009, 09:38am »

on Jan 23rd, 2009, 08:00am, Denise wrote:
At this point Tomi, since you stated you are no longer researching at DRT, wont divulge anything about anything, like the house to the pole, and you all know the house, have brought nothing to the table, who gives a squat what you think?
Give us an element here that was hidden fact. Convince us its 10 percent real, we did all the hard work already.
When you do, do it honestly.


Unless someone died around here and made you boss, just who do you think you arehuh

I will tell you what I think you are doing... JMO btw..
You are accusing others of making more of this case than you deem it to be. Yet we all want to know what it's about.

So, who do we look to for the answers? The DRT and the PI's. And the debates and fine picking analysis by everyone.

Why do you seem most anxious that we don't get to the bottom of this? eh? wink

What's your problem really??
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« Reply #1471 on: Jan 23rd, 2009, 10:06am »

It's JMO again, and also very subjective.. but common sense is telling me..

If this was just a hoax for the sake of it, with all of the;
design elements, maths involved, science applied and the sheer scope of the elements released,
near perfection of rendering all visual elements,
multiple locations and people.

Then surely by now, someone would hail from, appear or demonstrate in previous work.. some involvement in all this.

This is the main reason why I believe this case is different from your usual "hoaxes". With all this glory to ultimately claim, there is extremely strict silence.

Why??


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« Reply #1472 on: Jan 23rd, 2009, 10:35am »

Lets see.....Chad gave a false location to LMH, Stephen was actually not in or around Big Basin park, he was actually closer to Castle Rock state park and Raj was not in Capitola.....experts labeled the photos as fakes, research and analysis showed lighting and shadow problems, all the photo witnesses were anonymous as was the convenient whistle blower Isaac....hmmmmmm.

Some quotes:

"I was in Capitola with my fiancee at her parent's house this week and we saw this thing."- Raj

"Last month (April 2007), my wife and I were on a walk when we noticed a very large, very strange "craft" in the sky." -Chad

"My husband and I were in Lake Tahoe over the weekend." - Lake Tahoe housewife

Notice how the stories all start with a similiar setting i.e; I was with someone (spouse, fiance, significant other). The same author?

If the drone case is going to be thought of as something more than an internet hoax, I fail to see the complexity that justifies that. I would like to know who is responsible for the hoax but I doubt that it goes back to some kind of government sanctioned fairytale full of half truths.

The DRT has taken much flak for their stance of pro-real, denying a dissenting viewpoint on their forum and countering every bit of hoax evidence as not good enough. The drones were defended by the DRT at every turn. There is no denying that. But at the same time, they have uncovered 3 sighting locations and have supplied invaluable data and answers. For that, they must be acknowledged and appreciated.

I hope they can find out who originated this apparent hoax though that may be difficult and near impossible to do. I wish them the best in doing so. But as the drone case faulters into a likely hoax that is recognized as such by even themselves, lets not try to dress the hoax up into something more than what it is.... an internet hoax targeting the UFO online community. A little CGI, creative writing, and a lot of imagination is all it really seems to be. I can hear this remark already!

"Oh, but the LAP is much more than that! Look at the complexity right there! It is sheer genious in its design"

Maybe, but Hollywood is full of people that think this stuff up all the time. Gene Roddenberry created an entire universe out of his of imagination. Imagination and creativity are powerful things. As is the notion to want to believe something so much that when it winds up being false, it is hard to let go of the belief.

I promised myself long ago when first embarking on the Ufology journey.....I will not fall for unfounded claims that can't be verified. When Digital photography entered the fray, this promise became more important than ever. The tricksters are out there. Like wolves looking for the slowest, weakest sheep. I would rather be wrong about a case being false than to be wrong about a case being real. That is how I personally see things. wink




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« Reply #1473 on: Jan 23rd, 2009, 10:36am »

on Jan 23rd, 2009, 10:06am, tomi01uk wrote:
It's JMO again, and also very subjective.. but common sense is telling me..

If this was just a hoax for the sake of it, with all of the;
design elements, maths involved, science applied and the sheer scope of the elements released,
near perfection of rendering all visual elements,
multiple locations and people.

Then surely by now, someone would hail from, appear or demonstrate in previous work.. some involvement in all this.

This is the main reason why I believe this case is different from your usual "hoaxes". With all this glory to ultimately claim, there is extremely strict silence.

Why??






We most certainly have come a long way from the old caveman days where Thag would throw a rock up in the air, hitting poor Zog in the head and making him think the sky is falling.

I think it is a sign of the times Tomi.


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« Reply #1474 on: Jan 23rd, 2009, 10:39am »

on Jan 23rd, 2009, 10:06am, tomi01uk wrote:
It's JMO again, and also very subjective.. but common sense is telling me..

If this was just a hoax for the sake of it, with all of the;
design elements, maths involved, science applied and the sheer scope of the elements released,
near perfection of rendering all visual elements,
multiple locations and people.

Then surely by now, someone would hail from, appear or demonstrate in previous work.. some involvement in all this.

This is the main reason why I believe this case is different from your usual "hoaxes". With all this glory to ultimately claim, there is extremely strict silence.

Why??




It has always struck me as strange that any of the original people who released this entire compendium of information has come forth to be seen face to face by anyone. I also feel that those that are directly involved in the original release of info are enjoying the debate watching all of us dance like fools around either side of the truth. I, for one, don't like being played by either side and those with the truth should either end the farce or come forward and release anything else that might be pertinate. Putting a face on the whole thing is the only way to stop the jugernaut. if it isn't done soon, it will only prove to me that we are being played for idiots and being laughed at. That is not something I take kindly too, nor should anyone else!

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« Reply #1475 on: Jan 23rd, 2009, 11:39am »

on Jan 23rd, 2009, 10:35am, Jeddyhi wrote:
Notice how the stories all start with a similiar setting i.e; I was with someone (spouse, fiance, significant other). The same author?


Yes, good point. Could be very good story line writing by one person. Whom ever did all that writing, one or a few, the stories, although beginning with the company of a significant other, all contained elements that were distinct, original... the words "freaked-out" would indicate a writer (s) of middle age years.. yet.. sufficently comfortable being married in Lake Tahoe, biking with the boys, studying photography with 20 yr olds... and living in the sticks with a pregnant wife.. and using LMH as the beacon of an unborn baby's safety.

Now... how many writers?

And when Raj came to OM forum I hope someone starts looking up those IP logs.. but beyond that consideration... we had Raj.. right there in OM...
What amount of all this is Raj responsible for? Remember how believable he was? This can't be "Isaac" creator of the LAP, et al.. can ithuh
Or was he part of a play as a witness and got pulled out of the act on OM when it was worried by the top boys that he could be traced.. Why then do the interviews on OM to begin with? Just to reinforce the believability of it?

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The DRT they have uncovered 3 sighting locations and have supplied invaluable data and answers. For that, they must be acknowledged and appreciated.

I hope they can find out who originated this apparent hoax though that may be difficult and near impossible to do. I wish them the best in doing so.


Hear Hear!! Yes! We can only be thankful that they are committed to finding the bottom line truth in this.
Despite all the subjective and group hypnoptic factors that this drone case inflicts on everyone !!
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« Reply #1476 on: Jan 23rd, 2009, 12:11pm »

See what happens when a "want to believe" is confronted with even a glimpse of reality.

You should not eat the silly putty, no matter how good you think it tastes
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« Reply #1477 on: Jan 23rd, 2009, 12:27pm »

on Jan 23rd, 2009, 10:06am, tomi01uk wrote:
It's JMO again, and also very subjective.. but common sense is telling me..



Tomi,
Dear sweet gullible tomi....my opinion is that you should no longer listen to what your common sense tells you!!! The drones are a hoax 100% pure and simple! There is no elaborate sinister conspiracy behind them! It is not a partial hoax release to acclimate us to the reality of UFOs...it is simply a hoax that your friends at the DRT have allowed to be blown into something far bigger than it ever should have been.
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« Reply #1478 on: Jan 23rd, 2009, 12:28pm »

on Jan 23rd, 2009, 12:11pm, Gort wrote:
See what happens when a "want to believe" is confronted with even a glimpse of reality.

You should not eat the silly putty, no matter how good you think it tastes


I respectfully disagree. Going to extremes of consideration ... somewhere is the truth.
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« Reply #1479 on: Jan 23rd, 2009, 12:32pm »

But it's not in the silly putty.
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« Reply #1480 on: Jan 23rd, 2009, 12:36pm »

on Jan 22nd, 2009, 3:26pm, Denise wrote:
Sidreader came across some excellent material on the French_Spanish hoax, which became, like scientolgy, and Urantia, a cult, albeit limited to the Franco-Spanish area.
The original Hoaxer, a psychologist admitted the hoax, but it was way out of his control by then. What did he expect, providing thousands of alien writing samples, and secret messages.

This is a grand read, and thank you Uncle Sidd
http://www.strangemag.com/ummo.html
Recipients of the UMMO reports dealing with the secrets contained within the propulsion systems of their OAWOLEA UWEA OEM (spacecraft) were fascinated by the presentation of the concepts. UMMO's physics bore no relation to terrestrial physics, and their scientists considered Earth's view of space simplistic, since it didn't factor in a veritable legion of algebraic and geometrical concepts. Space, they explained, consisted of an indefinite number of dimensions, ten of which had been mastered by Ummite technology. Perhaps most distressing to the human recipients was the statement that subatomic particles were merely "the various orientations obtainable in space by the IBOZOO UU (dimensional axises)" -- according to the manner in which the axises were aligned, the spaceships could become mass, matter, energy or any form of radiation. A series of dimensional shifts enabled the Ummite saucers to take shortcuts in space that deviated "from the standard mode of diffusion of light." This ability allowed the Ummites to make the trip between UMMO and our own world in eight or nine months, crossing an interstellar gulf of 14.6 light years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ummo
http://www.ummo-sciences.org/ideo/index.htm you will love the French site.

UMMO has long been a pet-interest of mine, heh, heh, and if you think the Drone debacle is complex….. wink

Which leads me nicely onto:

on Jan 23rd, 2009, 07:37am, tomi01uk wrote:
JMO.. but this still doesn't tell us the witnesses and the drones were done for a 100% hoax.

Maybe the "witnesses" are part of an orchestrated release of elements based in fact. That is why I think this is not your common garden variety hoax. For sure it is too sophisticated to be so IMO. smiley

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on Jan 23rd, 2009, 11:39am, tomi01uk wrote:
Yes, good point. Could be very good story line writing by one person. Whom ever did all that writing, one or a few, the stories, although beginning with the company of a significant other, all contained elements that were distinct, original... the words "freaked-out" would indicate a writer (s) of middle age years.. yet.. sufficently comfortable being married in Lake Tahoe, biking with the boys, studying photography with 20 yr olds... and living in the sticks with a pregnant wife.. and using LMH as the beacon of an unborn baby's safety.

Now... how many writers?

In all seriousness and with the greatest respect Tomi, I’m quietly confident that I could have done an equal -if not- better job….. undecided

(And I still maintain Raj was the most believable so I can envisage the despair that those who had any faith in his testimony must be feeling).

Cheers. smiley
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« Reply #1481 on: Jan 23rd, 2009, 12:38pm »

on Jan 23rd, 2009, 09:38am, tomi01uk wrote:
Unless someone died around here and made you boss, just who do you think you arehuh

It appears that the original comment was edited Tomi, however you are completely correct as IRRESPECTIVE of what it appears is popular belief, UFOCasebook prides itself on allowing the discussion to progress naturally and civilly.

I.e. without threats, name-calling and intimidating behaviour.

Although due to the intricacies of the Drones, the complex relationships of the members who comment and the cross-forum politics that are unfortunately inherent to this particular phenomenon then yes, the discussion does tend to be high-spirited, but due to the mature age-ranges of those involved we try not to moderate unless it becomes absolutely necessary.

And of course, ALL members continued participation and cooperation is massively welcomed and appreciated.

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« Reply #1482 on: Jan 23rd, 2009, 12:40pm »

Once a Drone thread reaches approximately 100-pages it is locked to preserve earlier posts.

So please continue further Drone discussion here.
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« Reply #1483 on: Mar 24th, 2011, 01:04am »

I BELIVE YOUR MINDS PERCEPTION CAN CAUSE YOU TO BE BLINDED BY YOU BELIEF'S AND THOUGHTS,YOU WOULD NEVER SEE THE WALKING STICK IF YOU DID NOT ALREADY KNOW OF IT.

I KNOW THEY ARE HERE ITS WRITTEN IN STONE ALL OVER THE LAND,IN THE PAST PRESENT AND WHAT DOES THE FUTRE HOLD ONLY TOOK US 320 YEARS TO GET HERE ,WHAT OTHERS DID NOT DO IN CENTURYS IF NOT MILLONS OF YEARS. COULD YOU REALLY SEE I MEAN DEEPLY SEE IF YOU DID NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE LOKKING AT OR EXPERINCING.
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