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« Reply #225 on: Dec 13th, 2008, 3:22pm »

A witness may request anonymity, but the MUFON field investigator, would know the witness. The public would not. This is what MUFON calls maintaining anonymity if requested by the witness. Mufon would not “waste time” with an anonymous (unknown even to MUFON) witness when there are too many credible cases to investigate.
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« Reply #226 on: Dec 13th, 2008, 5:04pm »

Spot on Gort,
and we arent mixing this group we have , with enough to conclude are unreliable, with the "95" percent who see a flash pan across the sky and don't what it is and assume a meteor or odd. heck just about a 100 percent of us see that.
No, this is a clever group, that Linda has shielded, and if she had anything, she would have come foward hand in hand with whitley, or interviwed Sherwoods people, especially as she more resources than anyone here, [even mufon, who consults more than one expert for its analysis].and .had access to people who could analyze the hi rez fotos, Real Evidence, she does have, and kept for herself, not intended for her, but all of us. Where I am from some might call that a Thief.,
or a larceny after trust..sooo
Who is she and her lying puppet clowns kidding?
She is the one we need to concentrate, not DRT and its BS...
She is the stage master..Drt isa sales department, for all sakes and purposes, and the PIs just like those cute cigarette girls of the old days , peddling free samples of camels and marlboro on the sidewalk, where the real goal is to hook the audience.
Only they used lovable grandfather faces instead..
And its a bogus bill of goods my friends...Thats a fact..not on just say so..but crude yet effective analysis, not including the real pros.and they cannot weasel out of it.Thats their problem, not ours.
^They come instead hoping someone like marvin, says, I messed up..or alter his findings to the contrary.
Grasping straws, scouring and scampering back and forth..like little crumbsnatchers..
Why should we engage and help THEM with THEIR problem?
As for OTF he should go back to that blog and pick up all those little blue and red pills he assigned to each one of us, and take them all at one time with a big glass of milk. Milk is good for you you know. wink

Reflecting, We should just not even give these guys the time of day, like they do us with pis , and demand they get somebody in here in charge and with with some ballz that can talk with some real sense and transparency , and real information, and stop playing patticake patticake 123.

I'll take a page from Numbers, they rolled "snake eyes" and we shouldn't let them forget it, since they seem to be in a betting mood, and don't have a pot to piss in, as proof , to make any kind of wager or barter with.
Thats a fact Jack...
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« Reply #227 on: Dec 13th, 2008, 6:54pm »

on Dec 13th, 2008, 1:36pm, newtothis wrote:
Not at all. It is just far fetched to believe that most people want the attention that comes along with seeing a UFO...

Stephenville is obviously one of the exceptions. I wonder how many people would have reported what they saw if the Constable had not come out with his story? Just a thought...

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But when you really see something, something out of the ordinary, something otherworldly, is ridicule the first thought? I would be snapping photos and reporting my sighting to someone! Cops would be the first thought, then the nearest Air Force Base. I guess I am different than the average joe in how I would react to a major daytime sighting with a digital camera in my hand. smiley
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« Reply #228 on: Dec 14th, 2008, 02:26am »

I just stumbled across a nice ufo researchers starter pack written by Isaackoi, pseudonym of course, a British Barrister.
http://hubpages.com/hub/UFOs-and-Lawyers
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread305942/pg1

Has a plethora of great links and free downloads by some of the greats
A tremendous amount of effort was obviously put into this to aid us in our quests..
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« Reply #229 on: Dec 14th, 2008, 09:50am »

on Dec 14th, 2008, 02:26am, TeachersPet wrote:
I just stumbled across a nice ufo researchers starter pack written by Isaackoi, pseudonym of course, a British Barrister.
http://hubpages.com/hub/UFOs-and-Lawyers
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread305942/pg1

Has a plethora of great links and free downloads by some of the greats
A tremendous amount of effort was obviously put into this to aid us in our quests..

Thanks TeachersPet smiley,

“IssacKoi” ranks up there among some of the most knowledgeable ‘authorities’ on UK-Ufology and is no slouch when it comes to the broader study of Ufology either. He has again just returned to the subject (literally in the last few days) as he often does after many months away from it, just yesterday I was reading one of his new posts over at the Reality-Uncovered Forums (not for the faint-hearted!!) regarding the betterment of ATS.

He has always been courteous and happy to help in my past experience and the last time was for an, “IFO” piece I wrote a couple of months ago. The main reason for this post though was to point oput that as well as the thread at ATS that you linked to he also started a Blog which considering the few poists it does have also has a significant amount of information relating to researching the UFO phenomenon in general and is still online at: http://ufoinquiry.blogspot.com/

(He also posts here at Casebook although he hasn’t for several months now).

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« Reply #230 on: Dec 14th, 2008, 12:47pm »

First, my apologies DrStern,

In having short periods of time to respond, I sometimes am too brief and should put in a little more explanation into my position. I think Jedd has done a great job of this and we see to be like minded.


on Dec 12th, 2008, 5:27pm, DrStern wrote:
Thank you Marvin, you're a good guy for sure, and you simply have to understand that there are opposite opinions in this case.

As much as you believe your ideas, I believe in my ideas..

Not that any of them are wrong..until proven right!

That's what a real debate is all about, and I know you master that! wink


I completely agree with your point and if I have left you with the impression that I am debating your “believes,” then again I apologize.

I, like Jedd, come from the view point that some UFOs are… or maybe are “extraterrestrial” in origin… but not all anonymous cases posted on the internet are authentic.

These anonymous cases that make extraordinary claims need extraordinary proof to back them. The burden of proof truly is with those claiming a case like this is real (a case that lacks the evidence and witnesses).


on Dec 12th, 2008, 5:27pm, DrStern wrote:
So, I tend to want to believe in your research, if you prove it to me. And you try very hard, and that is appreciated, believe me!

If we were to believe anything, as charted, the world would be flat!


The idea of the flat earth was due to the uneducated and inexperienced… your “average” sailing person was aware the Earth wasn’t flat (due the mast of distance ships dipping below the horizon, but no one fell off the world)… and there are ancient maps that seem to demonstrate the knowledge of the Earth not being flat. Knowledge won out in the end, no?


on Dec 12th, 2008, 5:27pm, DrStern wrote:
I just want to see an equasion proving that the Drone issue is bogus...

Show me that, and I'll believe...


When you are ready for it… it rests in front of you.



on Dec 12th, 2008, 5:27pm, DrStern wrote:
I know it's hard to find a program that once and for all shows this whole enigma to be true or false...but I will work hard to do so in the New Year 2009, because I now want to know.

I will let you know the outcome... grin

Again, and for the last time,

Merry Christmas to you all here at the UFO Casebook,

DrStern

Ps: A small Christmas present from me to you to help you to stay happy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3PBmPORUog



Merry Christmas to all and the best to you DrStern.
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« Reply #231 on: Dec 14th, 2008, 2:00pm »

Thank you DrDil,
I was quite excited when I found it, and it is just as Marvin said to Dr Stern, the truth is there right in front of us whe we are ready to look.
Here it came as the result not of a group of yes people, but independent members, torval does not know Marvin, and Marvin does not know 1111, 1111 does not know Wayne, or Biedny does not know Radi, or even I know Carrion, with whom I have problems, but know good work when I see it.. All from different places, and using different angles of attack.
As for those horrible exiles and Arc, we are perhaps the quickest to disagree among each other, and at times in public., and I would have it no other way and for discovery of truth it should be no other way when we accept to undertake the journey, whether as a team, or alone.

Kudos to UfoCasebook , I just saw that this months rankings passed, if I am looking at it correctly unknown country and Earthfiles. Earthfiles went below the radar..
thats odd, as UC and EF have radio backup and audience. Perhaps the economy is affecting those big three of ufology as well.. I could be wrong charts and numbers were never my forte.
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« Reply #232 on: Dec 15th, 2008, 07:16am »

DrStern,

May I ask, what evidence do you find the most compelling from the Big Basin Drone case... that makes you think it is a real event?

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One of the grand daddys of all UFO hoaxes is the Apollo 20 case. It is more detailed, much more expensive, has more people involved and technically full of errors and BS. It appears these "people" who hoax, prey on folk who simply want to believe (and are not willing to do their homework). Unfortunately, there are a large number of these folks (both "believers" and hoaxers).
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« Reply #233 on: Dec 15th, 2008, 2:12pm »

on Dec 15th, 2008, 07:16am, Marvin wrote:
One of the grand daddys of all UFO hoaxes is the Apollo 20 case. It is more detailed, much more expensive, has more people involved and technically full of errors and BS. It appears these "people" who hoax, prey on folk who simply want to believe (and are not willing to do their homework). Unfortunately, there are a large number of these folks (both "believers" and hoaxers).

Hi Marv smiley,

Granddaddy?

I believe that it pales into insignificance when compared with the Drones (or even SERPO!!) Granted, this is more to do with the alleged source/s, well what I mean is you could go to many, many individuals and associations/companies that could verify or refute the Apollo20 claim in seconds, whether you believe them or not, well, that’s up to the individual.

Even NASA’s –now unaffiliated(ish)- number one debunker, James Oberg posts here at Casebook quite a bit and is always more than happy to oblige in such matters!! And whether the original Hoax statement/claim was official, unofficial, leaked rumoured, hearsay etc. there are a multitude of sources to turn to, but where do you go to confirm or refute the Drone reports?

PACL? CARET? Isaac?

There are many, many websites that can show/tell you why the Apollo20 was exactly that, i.e. a hoax. How many online sources (excluding forums as there are many, many thousands of posts and as such could hardly be termed concise or even exact) do you know where the uninitiated could visit to find the same as regards the Drones?

Obviously -and as usual grin- this is ALL purely my humble opinion but as hoaxes go I’ve always been of the belief that the Drones were a bit special….. (Or at least massively different to earlier hoax attempts).

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« Reply #234 on: Dec 15th, 2008, 3:43pm »

Apollo will hold a special place in my heart, it was prob the first hoax I became involved, my first love..
Indeed, ..Thierry went went to obsessive lengths at detail, with equipment and props, with substantial research done where bits and pieces could be verified , whereas as Reed was amateurish. Apollo has had three reiterations already..Drone would not have lasted 2 weeks if the TY pix had all been released by Linda, as the letters had all been linked to the LAP.
In Drone you could see concerted and brazen efforts to introduce new witnesses like Brent, and Cam, wheras in Apollo one doesnt.
One seems to be a passive hoax, the other quite aggressive, and it is perhaps what makes it Drone special, is that it gives us the best chance in exposing an organized industry/complex and its players.

If there was verassimilitude as Engineeringtype/Isaac said..and costing mucho bucks to do, it was in Apollo.
Despite the hoax folx just seem to gravitate..maybe because it had an exotic female with boobs and all, laying horizontal, asleep even, .
That can be a strong draw to all virile ufo hunters. smiley
Each has its own reason for staying power..
I think we stayed on as we are dedicated to getting the hoaxters and realize the damage, that certain ones, if not ferreted out can to to our community.
We can't prevent everyone from falling into the net anymore than we can prevent people falling into nigerian scams., they still do..despite untold thousands of victims and warnings.
Like Admin at OMF, fell hook line and sinker for Robert, threatening even then to ban us "debunkers" who merely asked simple questions.
He didn't need help or protective from anyone like mere members, he said to paraphrase.
Robert was then taken into DRT, where they realized eventually, they had taken in a Trojan Horse into the city.
Only after banning Robert from DRT did Admin Bren, the hardhead, do the same, claiming he "knew" it all along, and was waiting for Robert to undo himself.

As we say here in the south..
A hard head make for a soft behind..

I suggest in any situation like this, everyone occasionally reach around behind themselves, or preferrably, have someone else . to gently squeeze or pinch ..
just as a precaution. cool

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on Dec 15th, 2008, 2:12pm, DrDil wrote:
Hi Marv smiley,

Granddaddy?

I believe that it pales into insignificance when compared with the Drones (or even SERPO!!)



One of.... wink




on Dec 15th, 2008, 3:43pm, TeachersPet wrote:
We can't prevent everyone from falling into the net anymore than we can prevent people falling into nigerian scams., they still do..despite untold thousands of victims and warnings.



What? The Nigerian thing was a scam? shocked


And I sent bank info and everything.... grin grin grin
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« Reply #236 on: Dec 15th, 2008, 8:47pm »

It has come to my attention that the drones appeared on the Sarah Connor Chronicles this evening.

I did not see it, but was wondering if anyone else did?

Anybody got a screen shot?
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« Reply #237 on: Dec 15th, 2008, 10:00pm »

HEY MUR,
VERY INTERESTING POINT...

HEY MAN, GOOD TO SEE YA POSTING...YOUR INPUT HAS BEEN MISSED MY FRIEND wink...

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« Reply #239 on: Dec 16th, 2008, 12:56am »

Thanx Mur and Fore,
Zetar..You are the stranger too !! hahaha good to see you too my friend..
This may put thing in proper perspective , though I am sure some will say, oh they heard it on c2c like that artist and alienware, and decided to use it too.
So they had the trailer ready by sept 27. and of course trailers bring parts of epidosed also shot before then, and immediately after hearing of Isaac on June 26..
Amazing they can do that.
One of the boys at ATS provided this from wiki..


Prior to its broadcast on television, Fox undertook a large marketing effort to promote the show, which was described by Joe Earley, Fox Executive Vice President of Marketing and Communications, as the "biggest campaign for a new mid-season show in years."[39] The advertising campaign began months prior to the premiere date to make sure that it would attract existing Terminator fans as well as welcome in new fans.[40] After 24 was postponed to the 2008-09 TV season, more time was devoted to the show by Fox's marketing team and more on-air promotional spots were available for the show that would otherwise have gone to 24.[40] Fox began their advertising campaign for Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles on September 27, 2007, with a brief teaser which ran during primetime programs, consisting of an image of two red dots that lasted for a few seconds on screen before disappearing.[39] The two red dots were revealed to be the eyes of the Terminators from the show in the second phase of the advertising campaign, which began two weeks later. The final phase of the campaign commenced in November 2007 with more broadcast information being added to the advertisements. In addition to on-air teasers, Fox heavily promoted the show during the World Series by releasing the first 45-second preview for the show on October 27, 2007. Other forms of advertisements used included: mobile tours on "Terminator" buses sponsored by Verizon Wireless; an interactive cell phone game based on the series offered by Verizon's V CAST, which rewarded the players with ring tones, wallpapers and behind-the-scenes footage; cable tie-ins; online outreach via the official website and wiki; online sneak peeks; and a poster design contest run by Fox.[41] Advance screenings of the pilot episode were also held at the 2007 Comic-Con International convention and at Golden Apple Comics in Los Angeles on January 4, 2008. Billboard advertisements, which were described by Variety to have "blanketed New York and L.A.", contained images of Summer Glau's Terminator in a "Lady Godiva-esque pose" used to target the young-male demographic, while the key art emphasized on Sarah Connor being at the core of the show to attract the "mom demo".[40] Fox originally planned for more outdoor marketing in other cities but the marketing budget was reduced because of the Writers' Strike.[40] A promotional partnership with automobile manufacturer Dodge began in the show's second season and featured placement of Dodge products in several episodes, Dodge's exclusive sponsorship of the extended, 52-minute episode "Goodbye to All That," and a four-week vehicle giveaway entitled "The Never Back Down Challenge."[42]
So warner who produced this for Fox. And Fox also aired the PIS in March. And warner also doing Whitleys movies.....Am I missing something here, have we been solving one big commercial?
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