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« Reply #240 on: Dec 16th, 2008, 09:15am »

I record every episode of the SCC on my DVR. Last night in my viewing area, Fox aired "Monday Night Football", a national broadcast game. The SSC and Prison Break were not listed and did not air, so I'm confused as to when this season finale of the SCC is going to air. If my local Fox affiliate aired the game, just when will I see the SCC?
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« Reply #241 on: Dec 16th, 2008, 11:10am »

I posted this at ATS. I thought I would post it here as well.
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Hi all! I would like to point out that the drones and Isaac could have been a viral marketing scheme for the The Sarah Connor Chonicles (SCC) all along. But then the timing of the campaign got screwed up because of the 2007-2008 writers strike. The delay in production of episodes could have left the viral marketing out in the cold , so to speak, as in to much of a delay to effectively associate the drones to the show. By the time the association is made, the marketing campaign now appears to have a life of its own as a controversial sighting in Ufology that some believe to be real.

The question is whether or not viral marketers would simply abandon such a failed campaign (failure caused by the writers strike and delay in production) and let it fester on the internet as a possible true life event or would they acknowledge the campaign and its failure.

The recent episode with the drones was written by Natalie Chaidez. Perhaps she could offer insight!
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« Reply #242 on: Dec 16th, 2008, 12:42pm »

It won't be the the first time a contracted entity has dropped a campaign or put it on hold, Like EA did with ammo marketing, and Sony who had sock puppets all over the forums.
Sony coopted a group of graffitti artists to do work on one project and had to stop when it ran afoul of local laws, remember that incident with the srange ldevices planted in several places, last year, same there, or look at the manmade crop circles , I had posted examples of that OMG, with nike signature. here
Ammo never responded to queries, alienware never responded to queries, and they won't.

Look at it just like the military industrial complex,

this is the same, a hollywood news media and industrial complex.

They work together
Alienware dell warners and others Game makers computer makers ..they all overlap..Its not one person, its a group with common synergy.
Dell has warcraft laps, Alien has superman laps, and now this would indicate not just area51 but terminator as well.
they do not snitch
on each other.
Thats why they have NDA.
Thats why Angie and Minnie at AW went silent., luckily we have internal emails that pointed otherwise.
we the forums, and community, are merely dollar figures and pawns in the whole matter, well Not us as we caught and already had suspected as much if one goes back on the record..At least I have all along with Warner who reactivated the series after almost dropping it.

Linda knew its fake, has the evidence in her hands,
the real question I see at my end.
Is she and c2c and whitley part of the complex..
Whitley is already signed on with Warners in another project, So he can't say didley.
Georgie is signed on with Sci fi, using Linda and Whitley.
Do I think they knew..Yes I do.
Thats why despite knowing it was fake.she never came out and said anything, because all of them knew they would be biting one of the hands that fed them
Will we find out eventually, despite the silence?
of course..
we know how the complex works now..and Sci fi is still big business in movies and game making.and it will happen again.


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« Reply #243 on: Dec 16th, 2008, 1:11pm »

on Dec 16th, 2008, 11:10am, Jeddyhi wrote:
I posted this at ATS. I thought I would post it here as well.
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Hi all! I would like to point out that the drones and Isaac could have been a viral marketing scheme for the The Sarah Connor Chonicles (SCC) all along. But then the timing of the campaign got screwed up because of the 2007-2008 writers strike. The delay in production of episodes could have left the viral marketing out in the cold , so to speak, as in to much of a delay to effectively associate the drones to the show. By the time the association is made, the marketing campaign now appears to have a life of its own as a controversial sighting in Ufology that some believe to be real.

The question is whether or not viral marketers would simply abandon such a failed campaign (failure caused by the writers strike and delay in production) and let it fester on the internet as a possible true life event or would they acknowledge the campaign and its failure.

The recent episode with the drones was written by Natalie Chaidez. Perhaps she could offer insight!




It could be…

But if it were their “intellectual property,” wouldn’t they just use the original stuff in the show?

It is more like they made enough changes (the Drone design, the LAP, the name Abraham and so on), so that someone could not come back on them later on for royalties.

To me, they are making a play off of the Drone saga like Alien Ware (a way to cash in on market share). But one never knows.
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« Reply #244 on: Dec 16th, 2008, 2:12pm »

Is anyone aware of the Starfire Tor report on the drones?

The Truth About The Aerial Drone Claims
And ET Reverse Engineered Technology

PART I: June and July 2007
PART II: October and November 2007

© Researched and Written
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Here is a quote from Starfire.

"Shortly after Whitley Strieber introduced me to the 'aerial drone' mystery, I was approached by a group that wanted me to investigate the authenticity of the 'aerial drone' and related claims. I took on the task, and this report is an authorized abridged version of my confidential in depth report on the 'aerial drone' and related claims of 2007."

I wonder who the "group" was. I could assume it was the DRT and since the findings didn't point to the drones being real, they didn't bother to report it.

Here is the report.

http://www.starfiretor.com/AerialDrones.htm

The quote above is from page 3. Please forgive if this has already been discussed.
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« Reply #245 on: Dec 16th, 2008, 2:41pm »

HEY T'PET,
THAT'S AN INTERESTING VIEW POINT...
I HAVE ALWAYS WONDERED WHY THE WATERS OF KNOWLEDGE CONCERNING THIS PHENOMENA STOPPED AT THE "DAM" PLACED BY "LMH"...MOREOVER...I'VE NEVER SEEN SUCH "RADIO SILENCE" ASSOCIATED WITH SOMETHING DEEMED SO IMPORTANT...

MAYBE THIS QUAGMIRE CREATED HAS MISSING A PHRASE WHICH THE GOVERNMENT SO FREQUENTLY USES..."PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY"...

I THINK IT WOULD COME DOWN TO TWO CRITCAL DISCLOSURES FROM "LMH"...

FIRST OF ALL...SHE COULD OPEN THE FLOOD GATES AND PROVIDE THE ORIGINAL FRAMES TO BE EXAMINED ALONG WITH ANY OTHER RELATED DATA TO FURTHER THE INVESTIGATION...

SECONDLY,...MANKIND IS A FORGIVING BUNCH IF ONLY ONE STEPS UP THE THE PLATE AND ADMITS FALLIBILITY.
"LMH" WOULD BESTOW UPON HERSELF MUCH CREDIBILITY IF IN FACT IT WAS A HOAX AND SHE STATED THAT SHE WAS DUPED...RUSHED TO JUDGEMENT... OR TRUSTED THE SOURCE WHICH PROVIDED INFORMATION TO HER AND SHE MADE A CURSORY OBSERVATION PRIOR TO HER RELEASE OF SAME.

WELL I GUESS THERE SHOULD BE A THIRD...IN ADDITION TO THE FIRST STEP...PROVIDE HER OPINION AS TO THE VALIDITY OF THE DRONE PHENOMENA AND WHY SHE CONSIDERS IT TO BE TRUE AND INDICATE THOSE EXPERTS WHOM EXAMINED SAID PICTURES OR OTHER INFORMATION PROVIDED TO HER TO LEAD HER TO THE POSITION TAKEN WITH REGARD TO THE DRONE PHENOMENA AS A WHOLE...

I SAY THE ABOVE FROM MERELY AS AN OBSERVER FROM THE "SIDELINES"...AND FROM MY "LAY OPINION" THE "STOP GAP" FROM BRINGING THIS MATTER TO FRUITION FOR BOTH CAMPS RESTS ENTIRELY AT THE FEET OF "LMH."

I MUST SAY FOR ONE TO STATE THEIR PURPOSE IS TO DISCLOSE THE TRUTH TO ALL AND REMAIN AS TIGHT LIPPED AS HAS BEEN... DEMONSTRATES CLEARLY A CONTRADICTION IN ONES ACTIONS/DEEDS AND WHAT ONE ESPOUSES...OF COURSE I SAY THIS WITH "ALL DUE RESPECT" AND POINT OUT MY ASSERTIONS ARE RELATED SOLELY TO HER INVOLVEMENT WITH THE "DRONE PHENOMENA"

WHAT SAY YOU?

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« Reply #246 on: Dec 16th, 2008, 2:52pm »

on Dec 16th, 2008, 2:12pm, Jeddyhi wrote:
Is anyone aware of the Starfire Tor report on the drones?

The Truth About The Aerial Drone Claims
And ET Reverse Engineered Technology

PART I: June and July 2007
PART II: October and November 2007

© Researched and Written
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Hi Jed, many thanks for the lead as it’s definitely news to me, but…..

Her page appears to be experiencing problems at the minute (3 different browsers & 2 different PC’s so it’s unlikely she’s just one of my ‘fans’ and has pre-emptively banned me!! grin)

Although I found the following at Whitley’s site:

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Is Starfire Tor a Real Time Traveler? (04-May-2006)
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This week's Dreamland guest, Starfire Tor, has amassed years of evidence that suggest that she may be a time traveler from the future. Modern physics says that time travel is by no means impossible. If the future has become able to do this, it could be sending people back to its own past, which would be our present. Whitley thinks that the Master of the Key may have been such a person.

Magician Brandon Scott, who has time traveled with Starfire, will be on Coast to Coast AM on Wednesday, May 10.

In her interview on Dreamland, she remembers speaking the language of the birds. Time travelers would have only the most sketchy memories of their future lives, but would have an uncanny ability to anticipate events, just as the carefully documented life of Starfire Tor suggests. Is Starfire the real thing?
Source.

Just checked and it's not archived yet, good ole' Google has cached it though wink (*29th Nov).
Click HERE.

Cheers. smiley

* EDIT: Strangely it's the 29th Oct, (not Nov) cache is usually more recent than that..... For example.
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« Reply #247 on: Dec 16th, 2008, 3:18pm »

Just to save everyone else trawling through the cached pages, the last paragraph reads:

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I was right, about the 'aerial drone' hoax being connected to a viral marketing scheme associated with computers, as I described in Part I of my investigative report. The viral marketing didn't turn out to be for an XBOX 360 Halo computer game, although my research into that possibility remains valid and informative. This viral marketing scheme did turn out to be for a computer company, Alienware, that has linked its brand to legendary UFO history ... Area 51. 'Isaac's' hoaxed back story involved ET reverse engineering, and the brand name for legendary ET reverse engineering claims involves Area 51.

Is anyone else having difficulties loading the site?

If so and if anyone wants the info off the site, PM or email me (I've ripped it all).

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« Reply #248 on: Dec 16th, 2008, 3:19pm »

Its working fine for me, Doc! I stumbled across her site while trying different variations of googling the drones. I wonder when this report first surfaced?
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« Reply #249 on: Dec 16th, 2008, 3:38pm »

on Dec 16th, 2008, 3:19pm, Jeddyhi wrote:
Its working fine for me, Doc! I stumbled across her site while trying different variations of googling the drones. I wonder when this report first surfaced?

Hi Jed smiley,

It must be regional, I'll try with a US IP.....

It's an old report as it states:

"PART I: June and July 2007
PART II: October and November 2007

UPDATE: In late October 2007, and through November 2007"

And "Part II" only has one page..... (p12)

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« Reply #250 on: Dec 16th, 2008, 3:47pm »

on Dec 16th, 2008, 3:38pm, DrDil wrote:
Hi Jed smiley,

It must be regional, I'll try with a US IP.....

Strange, Canadian & US IP loads page straight away!? undecided

Ah well, never mind..... grin
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« Reply #251 on: Dec 16th, 2008, 4:26pm »

Yes I read the starfire report a while back but essentially declared Isaac a Hoax..like aother sites. I thought you already new of her and didnt want to add more of same..as I assumed we had more than enough.
http://www.starfiretor.com/AerialDrones-II-12.htm
Her tying in alienware is spot on, and Isaac in cahoots with AW, but also, note in her reports that Stargate is mentioned.. what she did not know at the time what we know now..Stargate is also producedced by Mario Kassar who produced Terminator.!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Kassar
This is joint OP..its done all the time between moviemakers and computermakers and game makers..
every avenur of profit is scrutinized.
The writers strike in November was due to squabbling over on line internet content and residuals!
Heck the T in the LAP probably stands for Terminator.

This was NOT simply borrowed material from Isaac, it was material created for us BY warners
And we know who else has history with Warners and sci fi and media in general..
Whitley and Linda and c2c. Its a lucrative game!
@Zetar..I agree, and now as the dust is settling and the Zebras run, we like the lion and the tiger, will stay focused I hope on that little zebra..before it loses itself in the rest of the stripes.
Shes not reporting news, she has been helping manufacture it ,by her actions in this and other cases.
At least c2c at times says entertainment, even if it is only barely a whisper.
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« Reply #252 on: Dec 16th, 2008, 4:50pm »

The Starfire report appears to be somewhat obscure as opposed to well known, which I find to be somewhat curious. Whitley showed her the case and then a group approaches her to research and analyze the case and then her results are never brought out and put on the table. Her conclusion, of course, is hoax! The 12 page report is a good read. Basically it boils down to the whole thing being a viral marketing scheme for AlienWare. Again I quote Starfire Tor:

"There may be some, for whatever reason drives them, who want to promote the idea that Alienware was so smitten by the 'aerial drone' character symbols that the company simply "borrowed" those character symbols for use in their contest. Let me be very clear about this: Alienware didn't "borrow" anything. In the corporate world, it's legal suicide to go around "borrowing" alphabets - and concepts - that don't belong to you. Alienware would not jeopardize itself by engaging in that type of illegal behavior. And for those of you, who think that Alienware did everything legally because they made arrangements with 'Isaac' ... think again. The only way, that 'Isaac' could have legally signed off on the 'alien alphabet', is if he were the creator of that alphabet. Since I already outed the 'aerial drone' and 'anti-gravity generator' as hoaxes, even before Alienware's viral marketing scheme was outed months later, it's safe to say that Alienware didn't "borrow" an alphabet from a stolen black ops project involving ET reverse engineered technology. Such a notion is Illogical. Had Alienware been inspired by the 'aerial' drone' character symbols, instead of having been associated with them, they could have created an alien alphabet of their own for their "Decipher the Alien Message" contest."
Source:http://www.starfiretor.com/AerialDrones-II-12.htm

The entire report deals with the photos, analysis of the photos by experts, their conclusions, the Isaac material itself and I find it to be very professional and informative. Especially coming from not a debunker, but a believer and follower of Ufology. I like what she says to open the report:

"I am a firm believer in the existence of extraterrestrial craft and technology, as well as the existence of the intelligence behind those craft and that technology ... whether the origins are off world, interdimensional, alternate timeline, or even of ancient or future earth origin. I am also an analytical thinker, and demanding researcher, when it comes to claims of the fantastic. This is because I know that it is possible for the fantastic to be a realistic and essential element that interacts with the structural foundation of planet earth, the human experience, and the multiverse. What seems fantastic may, in fact, provide a vital key to unlocking and understanding even greater hidden, lost, or suppressed core scientific truths.

Therefore, just because someone promotes a UFO and related story - complete with ET reverse engineering claims, photographs, and documents - as the 'aerial drone' claims do - doesn't mean that I am going to automatically accept that story and evidence as truthful. Such a claim should not be automatically accepted or rejected without a sincere and intelligent investigation. There is too much at stake. Either the 'aerial drone' claims are genuine, and the UFO community has been given some much needed smoking gun evidence, or another UFO related hoax has infiltrated and corrupted the field of UFOlogy."

Source:http://www.starfiretor.com/AerialDrones.htm

I personally find it a bit odd that this report has not been previously discussed.

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« Reply #253 on: Dec 16th, 2008, 5:01pm »

No Jeddyhi not strange, lord knows my friend, what other sites, have the same kind of stuff..only when we stop..and go back..do we see what we may have missed. Just like the evidence at om with numbers..it helped find the restaurant the DRT looked like it tried to steer us away from..
I saw hers and just saw the conclusion..at the time I was not looking for more yes people.
But going back now..after you brung it up..I saw the stargate material as sources, already discuseed , like the sci fi channel materiall..but that ties into the producers of sarah connors series with warners..Mario kassar ..
Like she said about Alienware..no accident. And like warners and Fox and use of PIs , no accident or borrowing ..
all planned..
People initially said it felt like a viral..they named wrong game and movie..but they were right..
It was a viral and its still running.
And Star is applauded for her work..Great actually it was done independently..So many independent minds coming to same conclusion. It follows the scientific method. of Verification and Corroboration
All pieces are nearly in place as to the source.
http://www.starfiretor.com/AerialDrones.htm
http://www.starfiretor.com/AerialDrones-II-12.htm
http://www.starfiretor.com/AerialDrones-I-2.htm
http://www.starfiretor.com/AerialDrones-I-3.htm
http://www.starfiretor.com/AerialDrones-I-4.htm
http://www.starfiretor.com/AerialDrones-I-5.htm
http://www.starfiretor.com/AerialDrones-I-6.htm
http://www.starfiretor.com/AerialDrones-I-7.htm
http://www.starfiretor.com/AerialDrones-I-8.htm
http://www.starfiretor.com/AerialDrones-I-9.htm
http://www.starfiretor.com/AerialDrones-I-10.htm
http://www.starfiretor.com/AerialDrones-I-11.htm

As for the alienware laptop m15x just got, that generic manual is dated November 2006., before the drones appeared. This deal was worked out between our dear Isaac Aliewnware and Warners long before Isaac did the June 26, 2007 release, or the first drone appeared.

I must grudgingly admit..its a beautiful laptop, letters and all.


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« Reply #254 on: Dec 16th, 2008, 6:01pm »

Would it be too difficult for an "investigator" to ask Alienware a direct question? I'm sorry but it sounds like more BS and cover-up to me.

Also, I fail to understand how the whole drone case could be helpful in selling laptops? It is not even a viral marketing.

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