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« Reply #255 on: Dec 16th, 2008, 6:13pm »

on Dec 16th, 2008, 6:01pm, ABCStore wrote:
Would it be too difficult for an "investigator" to ask Alienware a direct question? I'm sorry but it sounds like more BS and cover-up to me.

Also, I fail to understand how the whole drone case could be helpful in selling laptops? It is not even a viral marketing.

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It has already been done, Alien Ware denies being the originator of the LAP or Drones.
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« Reply #256 on: Dec 16th, 2008, 6:15pm »

on Dec 16th, 2008, 6:01pm, ABCStore wrote:
Would it be too difficult for an "investigator" to ask Alienware a direct question? I'm sorry but it sounds like more BS and cover-up to me.

Also, I fail to understand how the whole drone case could be helpful in selling laptops? It is not even a viral marketing.

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Good questions abc..unless its an official police investigator they don't have to answer.
directly or indirectly. Other than internal emails acknowledging intellectual rights, they have not.
the second question, I wondered too how making superman laptops and warcraft laptops help..but if you consider they hire gamemakers to create games based on their movies, take any..like area51, Terminator..simpsons cartoons, just about anything on the screen or tv.., it creates and avenue of money for by royalties..
I almost purchased a loptp from dell n ebay..it was a warcraft one. My kid would have loved it. But the bid went sky hi, and it wasnt hat powerful.
Xbox creates Elite halo boxes its all synergistic and drives sales , like trading cards based on such themes.
The number of adults playing games is quite high., and they want you to have that device that looks good and makes you feel you are on top of your game..whether its transformers or Area 51.
Higher end games require higher end, and more demand for expensive, therfore lucrative PCs..particularly mobile ones lfor lan parties and meets,
Usually hosted by..yes..the pc makers like dell and AW.
They all work together like that.





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« Reply #257 on: Dec 16th, 2008, 6:25pm »

Just an observation.....AlienWare made use of the language and Lap but did not use a drone.....The Sarah Connor Chronicles made use of the drones but had to substitute the lap and language and even the term 'Isaac'.

A failed viral marketing scheme deployed by Alienware (they would never admit to viral marketing, would they?) instead grows into an internet controversy. The remnants of which are used by the Terminator show to enhance the story line. If I paid enough attention, the drones in the show are the precursors to the Hunter/Killers in the future universe of Terminator.

The writer of the Terminator episode is Natalie Chaidez. She may be worth contacting to elaborate on the drone angle.
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« Reply #258 on: Dec 16th, 2008, 6:36pm »

Yes they seem to be like a prequel..type thing..the making of starwars ,,the beginning..same with star trek
and Jeddy
I remember whats his name Arlington once mentioning he thought they might possibley be from the future..
several others did also, and dropped out.
Of course you know Arlington was suspicious from his ATS posts, with The Isaac suspect, engineeringtype.
All are gone..but just that future thing.
Thinking back..I also remember Reyes quoting that kurtzwell guy about future AI the singularity, when AI becomes self aware, like Skynet does in Terminator..
Just a thought.

Yes that would an excellent Idea, unless Natalie too has an NDA , as she can't talk about the movie T4, but did her conner series..
but does get to her background at this interview
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http://www.thestream.tv/watch.php?v=976 natalie

One good thing they did..they shot Isaac/Abraham in the trailer..RIP.
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« Reply #259 on: Dec 16th, 2008, 7:20pm »

on Dec 16th, 2008, 4:50pm, Jeddyhi wrote:
The Starfire report appears to be somewhat obscure as opposed to well known, which I find to be somewhat curious. Whitley showed her the case and then a group approaches her to research and analyze the case and then her results are never brought out and put on the table. Her conclusion, of course, is hoax! The 12 page report is a good read. Basically it boils down to the whole thing being a viral marketing scheme for AlienWare. Again I quote Starfire Tor:

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Therefore, just because someone promotes a UFO and related story - complete with ET reverse engineering claims, photographs, and documents - as the 'aerial drone' claims do - doesn't mean that I am going to automatically accept that story and evidence as truthful. Such a claim should not be automatically accepted or rejected without a sincere and intelligent investigation. There is too much at stake. Either the 'aerial drone' claims are genuine, and the UFO community has been given some much needed smoking gun evidence, or another UFO related hoax has infiltrated and corrupted the field of UFOlogy."[/i][/b][/color]
Source:http://www.starfiretor.com/AerialDrones.htm

I personally find it a bit odd that this report has not been previously discussed.

I agree Jedd, not only have I never seen the article before, I’ve never seen it mentioned anywhere prior to this. Well, while I can’t state that categorically I feel sure that I would have remembered such a site and/or article.

In keeping with the current theme then I found this a few days ago, it’s not the content that surprised me or even the context but rather the source as it was posted at a, “Study of fake space exploration” website:

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It is very difficult to technically prove that a picture is fake. A picture can obviously be a fake, and yet it can be perfectly impossible, or at least exceedingly difficult, to prove it formally so. See the summer 2007 CARET / California drones hoax.
Source: Pseudonautics (2008-11-26) .

Basically it claims NASA is lying about practically everything, “Lunar” related and yet the Blogger doesn’t hesitate in calling the Drones a hoax. I’m seeing more and more of these little proclamations from independent voices on the web and seemingly fewer and fewer forwarding the pro-real hypothesis. Of course that’s not really representative of anything other than perhaps a couple of things:

1) A potential hoaxer who claims to have the clearest and most detailed photograph ever captured of a UFO better have not only flawless pictures but also must produce verifiable and corroborative witnesses as well as an absolute wealth of minutia if they are ever to be believed.

2) A potential witness who genuinely photographs and presents a REAL image similar to the Drones will NEVER be believed regardless of whether the image is representative of a real-world experience or not.

Of course the second option is ONLY relevant if the Drones are NOT a hoax, but if they are then by recognising the fact that they are a hoax then surely we make it easier for the REAL images & reports to be recognised as such….. Don’t we? undecided

on Dec 16th, 2008, 6:25pm, Jeddyhi wrote:
Just an observation.....AlienWare made use of the language and Lap but did not use a drone.....The Sarah Connor Chronicles made use of the drones but had to substitute the lap and language and even the term 'Isaac'.

A failed viral marketing scheme deployed by Alienware (they would never admit to viral marketing, would they?) instead grows into an internet controversy. The remnants of which are used by the Terminator show to enhance the story line. If I paid enough attention, the drones in the show are the precursors to the Hunter/Killers in the future universe of Terminator.

The writer of the Terminator episode is Natalie Chaidez. She may be worth contacting to elaborate on the drone angle.

Regarding contacting the writer, while I agree it’s an excellent idea I personally find it infinitely more plausible that the writer has drew inspiration from the Drones rather than the other way around. As obviously she has a predilection for sci-fi because of the nature of the SCC so it’s certainly not inconceivable that inspiration for storylines could be gleaned from the online UFO community. Also, writers don’t usually supply schematics and real-world images with their text so I feel it’s equally likely that the writer either suggested the Drones in the storyline or simply left it open-ended and none-specific, in which case someone on the production side may have realised the potential of the Drones. Especially as Alienware apparently remains (publicly) unchallenged regarding copyright infringement.

On a side note & regarding Alienware using just the LAP, perhaps this is because while Isaac specifically stated that the content of his ‘release’ was not to be reproduced unless as a whole the alleged witnesses who submtted the images stipulated no such condition (the LAP appears on the main segmented paddles of both the Raj & Chad Drones). And as the witnesses remain anonymous and Isaac appeared after the original Drone images then as long as AW stick with just the LAP symbols then there is no copyright infringement, is there?

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(Just on the off-chance it had eluded anyone then according to the Old Testament Isaac was the son of Abraham and it is written that god tested Abraham's faith by ordering him to sacrifice his son but <rather fortuitously wink> an angel prevented this just in the nick of time).
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« Reply #260 on: Dec 16th, 2008, 8:57pm »

Hi guys, new to posting here, but not new the phenomena..

After watching the show last night, everything, sort of clicked, with the whole purpose behind these crafts (drones)..

Starfire, is obviously correct. As I read her report a while back too.

The whole thing was fishy to me. Never before had these types of crafts been seen, photographed, or even witnessed. This was my first clue into, the "something's not right category", especially with the clarity of the photographs... *btw.. are there any really hi-res images of these out there, that can be truly scrutinized?

CGI stood out like a sore thumb here..

Then the release of the documents by 'Isaac'... hmm.. read like science fiction, not like a science document..(again agree with Starfire here).. Nevertheless, this guy was putting himself 'on the line' it seemed, so, who really knows what's real and what's not..right?

So I basically stuck all this info into the ... 'Interesting/But Not Enough Evidence' category with the whole thing and left it at that... Then, last night... towards the end of the show... Sarah, gets involved into the 3 dot slash ufo slash drone theory...wtf!!! lol..

Even towards the end, there's a 'slightly visible' drone craft, rings and all.. strange looking craft... something you would see in the movies.. and looking very similar to what was pictured and released with this Drone story.. Not to mention, the brief clips they show at the staged 'ufo convention', which shows exactly what was photographed...lol !!

So could this 'Isaac' be a hidden name trying to give us all a clue to the hoax? Simple Google Search 'Isaac Sci Fi' results with Isaac Asimov, lol.. smiley .... For those who don't know who Isaac Asimov was here's the Wikipedia on him http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Asimov .... Wonder if there's a hidden agenda going on there, with that alias...trying to tell us, this is all a bunch of hype for a future robot driven tv show (ie. The S.C.C. show) and possibly a future robot driven movie (i.e. Terminator Salvation)...where one can apply Asimov's three laws of robotics http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Laws_of_Robotics which ultimately result with a conflict in law number 3 ... smiley This is the basis of this Terminator show, is it not?

If you sit back and think about it... lets say you had to create a bullsh&t name for yourself, because you don't want anyone to ever figure out who you were, especially, if it could possibly cost you your life! Would you pick Isaac? Out of all the billions of other possibilities? Isaac, O.k.? Seemed strange to me from the get go. I'd pick some strange, random sequence of letters and numbers probably... like "adf;k3" .. good luck trying to figure that one out..heh laugh

btw... anyone else get the impression that we are being prepared for some big event? Who would of thought that Indiana Jones series would end up, having to do with, Aliens? Wife and I went to go see the latest alien invasion movie, The day the earth stood still.. where we're the vermin on this planet and they have come to exterminate us...heh smiley True we are the vermin, true we are killing ourselves and probably doing some major damage to the planet... but exterminate us? how about help us..heh.. try that first... then exterminate us..heh smiley anyways.. I can list off a bunch of movies coming out (seen at the previews)..that seem to indicate doom and despair for us in the near future... lets hope we can all get our heads out of our arses...and stop with all this secret shyt...if they are here..and all evidence/testimony seems to point into that direction, and I'm no scientist, but, would not, the very first step be acknowledgment? Do we not have to first, say to ourselves, yep..they are here.. yep, they have been here, and now lets try to communicate with them, as a combined global effort, not leaving anyone out of the loop? The longer this is kept secret, the longer we all will be kept in the dark... Until we 'all' can acknowledge that we are not alone and that they are here... I believe, they won't make themselves known to everyone... It simply does not make sense, any other way!!! If you sit down and think about it, any other way, can only lead to a disastrous outcome...

Anyways, thanks for reading.. smiley

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« Reply #261 on: Dec 16th, 2008, 11:22pm »

Welcome aboard, it was refreshing reading your post.

I saw that Indiana movie to..did you see that spinning fan at the end ..was that just an exhaust fan? Reminded me of a drone..
They threw everything in that movie from roswell to glass skulls and mayan prophecy, surprised Bigfoot wasnt in it, though he did make it to a wonderwoman episode in the 70s..as an alien bouncer in a cave.

according to Natalie who is a writer, and did heroes as well as Lost, and for the sarah connor episodes..she says that wll develop differently than the the T4 movie coming..a different universe figuratively with only a few flashbacks to the future.

There is a great need for escapist movies..I imagine they will be made in droves.

Do you have a link to that comic con conference..I recall about 6 months or mor ago most of us here searching that and could not find an alleged model that a poster who attended the event said he saw.
That would be good to find.
Warners has done same thing Cameron does with his movies and had any old concept art removed from around the web like at fan sites and such.
anyway welcome and glad you shared your thoughts.
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« Reply #262 on: Dec 17th, 2008, 09:57am »

on Dec 11th, 2008, 4:45pm, Marvin wrote:
Second, to answer your question, yes… light will be parallel, but shadows may not appear to be parallel depending on the direction of the shadows relative to the observer (to include perspective), and the shape of the object the shadow is cast on (you may include other factors if you are using a camera, such as barrel distortion). But in each case, they will indicate or point back to the light source.



The light source in question when compared to the earth...

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Sun rays will always be parallel in the surrounding 3-dimensional environment. (by the way, your picture proves exactly the opposite.... Sun rays are parallel not because of the size but the great distance to the Sun)
In the 2-dimensional projection, however, you have to account for the curvature of the lens.

In any case, is this "shadows" issue coupled with the witnesses not coming to every Larry King show enough to pronounce it a hoax? What about the other photographs? Other witnesses coming forward, with names and everything but no hard evidence?

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« Reply #263 on: Dec 17th, 2008, 11:03am »

ABC, you're free to believe its the real deal. If you believe it is real, what aspect of the case most makes it real to you?
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« Reply #264 on: Dec 17th, 2008, 12:34pm »

on Dec 17th, 2008, 11:03am, Jeddyhi wrote:
ABC, you're free to believe its the real deal. If you believe it is real, what aspect of the case most makes it real to you?


Mr. Jeddyhi, I was asked the same question by Marvin, and I want to answer.

1.st: "Isaac" was intriqued by the witnesses photo's, Raj and Ty, and the obvious reason was the resemblance of the "Primer" and the "Language" shown in the witness photo's.

2.cond: If the correlations (That is obvious) are consistant, the language are the same, and therefor consistant throughout the whole "hoax".

So, every witness are either the same person inventing this whole story, or they never was connected in any way.

3.rd: The hoaxer has taken several other persons in to help him/she in this elaborate hoax.

Surely "spinoffs" was expected, as not everyone here are that gullible... grin

No, I still seriously doubt that any major TV source even are collective aware, what goes on in every single show, so the Idea of LMH and Whitley and their influence is common knowledge, no...I seriously doubt that...

Marvin, I think TY did move, and the forground image of the trees changed, but the farther trees stayed in the same position.

Maybe this is where the evidence halts, because we don't know the exact perspective, but he sure didn't move more than a couple of steps...

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Ps: (Edit to add) Isn't it remarkable that TY takes 1 (one) picture, then add the Drone, and shows it as "inset" in a serie, and then takes 1 (one) other picture, showing the same Drone from a different position...weird isn't it? From a hoaxers point of view?
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on Dec 17th, 2008, 11:03am, Jeddyhi wrote:
ABC, you're free to believe its the real deal. If you believe it is real, what aspect of the case most makes it real to you?


I would say, all the factors outlined by DrStern plus the fact that it is super-difficult to come up with a something totally different and alien to us with such a compelling bag of evidence.
I was saying from the beginning it's not about being able to re-create the model in the computer, it's about producing the whole idea from nothing. Only a few geniuses throughout history were able to truly think outside the box.

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on Dec 11th, 2008, 4:45pm, Marvin wrote:
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Not to get off track here but something wrong with this picture if I remember correctly...Wasn't pluto declared no longer a planet in 2006... grin wink laugh
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on Dec 17th, 2008, 09:57am, ABCStore wrote:
Sun rays will always be parallel in the surrounding 3-dimensional environment. (by the way, your picture proves exactly the opposite.... Sun rays are parallel not because of the size but the great distance to the Sun)
In the 2-dimensional projection, however, you have to account for the curvature of the lens.



Actually, I believe we are saying the same thing (kind of, sort of)… but from two different perspectives.

I am saying the Sun’s rays travel in a straight line (or more technically, the shortest distance). It is not true the size of the light source is irrelevant (within a parameter of distance). Illumination will be a function of light source size, energy and distance to an object.

You are saying due to the distance to the Sun (one AU or 92,855,920.5 miles), that causes the light to be “parallel.” This will appear to be true on a small scale (it is considered to be intuitively correct) and I fully agree with this premise. But if you were to plot the rays to infinity, you will see it is not correct in reality.

But for all practical purposes, one can consider the path of sunlight in a photo to be parallel. There are circumstances that will make sunlight appear to not be parallel:

1. perspective
2. the “lay if the land” or tilt and uneven surfaces
3. and yes, with cameras, barrel distortion caused by the lens.

As I have challenged anyone, to find the errors cause by the above or any other error that would make up the difference between the two solar angles I have shown. The 3D models (made by 4 CGI artist) only reinforce my 2D examples. So if you can show the cause for the appearance of two light sources (as being one light source), then I am still waiting (LOL to you wink ).
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on Dec 17th, 2008, 2:52pm, Marvin wrote:
As I have challenged anyone, to find the errors cause by the above or any other error that would make up the difference between the two solar angles I have shown. The 3D models (made by 4 CGI artist) only reinforce my 2D examples. So if you can show the cause for the appearance of two light sources (as being one light source), then I am still waiting (LOL to you wink ).


I am sorry, but I don't see "two light sources"... Everything in the picture is within normal.

IMHO.

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on Dec 17th, 2008, 12:34pm, DrStern wrote:
Mr. Jeddyhi, I was asked the same question by Marvin, and I want to answer.

1.st: "Isaac" was intriqued by the witnesses photo's, Raj and Ty, and the obvious reason was the resemblance of the "Primer" and the "Language" shown in the witness photo's.

2.cond: If the correlations (That is obvious) are consistant, the language are the same, and therefor consistant throughout the whole "hoax".

So, every witness are either the same person inventing this whole story, or they never was connected in any way.

3.rd: The hoaxer has taken several other persons in to help him/she in this elaborate hoax.

Surely "spinoffs" was expected, as not everyone here are that gullible... grin



Good points Doc,

They are the same issues as to why I did not originally take a closer look at the photos last year.

Then a number of questions were asked…


on Dec 17th, 2008, 12:34pm, DrStern wrote:
Marvin, I think TY did move, and the forground image of the trees changed, but the farther trees stayed in the same position.

Maybe this is where the evidence halts, because we don't know the exact perspective, but he sure didn't move more than a couple of steps...



Ty’s photo are an area I am very familiar with (I still see them in my sleep). Compare KK and LL:

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This is an overlay so you can see what the background trees are doing. Notice the zooming on the far trees but the Drone stays the same distance.

It is not possible for Ty to only take a step or two because it is not true that the farther trees stay in the same position. I have done an analysis on the Ty photos.


on Dec 17th, 2008, 12:34pm, DrStern wrote:
Ps: (Edit to add) Isn't it remarkable that TY takes 1 (one) picture, then add the Drone, and shows it as "inset" in a serie, and then takes 1 (one) other picture, showing the same Drone from a different position...weird isn't it? From a hoaxers point of view?



This is exactly what a hoaxer has to do in order to give the appearance of being “normal”… or it will be too obvious something is not right if the Drone does not change position.
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