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« Reply #315 on: Dec 19th, 2008, 1:28pm »

on Dec 19th, 2008, 1:06pm, DrStern wrote:
Mr. Jeddihy,

You just lost my goodwill here:



I know I said, that I was gone from here for a while, but this post simply aggrivated me so much, that my Christmas nightcap simply fell off!

To ridicule the speculations of how and why the Drones might work, as it is a great issue taken on here, by a lot of physicists lurking, I assure you! And surely has no resemblance to "Santa" as quoted!

I am very angry to see the work of so many belittled by the so very few!

I sure hope this quote was a joke, I surely hope so, because if it's not, I sincerely weep my dry tears for those whom laid in a trusty work trying to discover the workings of the "Drones", including myself!

If we're seeing more of this, I suggest you lay this whole issue to rest, and let serious investigation happen elsewhere.

Merry Christmas,

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Why do you spell my name wrong DrStern? And no, it was not a joke. Speculating on why a drone is here, implies that the drone is actually here. Speculating on how it works implies that the drone does indeed exist. The first and foremost goal should be to find out if the case is a hoax or not before speculating on how the cloak works, how it navigates, what it is made of, etc......that is putting the wagon in front of the horse, is it not? And it suggests to people new to this case that the drones are more than an unsupported claim with nothing but anonymous witnesses and questionable photos. Some call that type of thing misleading propaganda. I call it fluff. Sorry to have angered you, Doc. Merry Christmas!
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« Reply #316 on: Dec 19th, 2008, 1:30pm »

on Dec 19th, 2008, 1:17pm, Marvin wrote:
DrStern,

I am glad to see you are still with us.

Have you seen the movie K-Pax? Where a man claims to be an alien named Prot?


Marvin, don't be too glad, as I'm in my "angry" mode...

Yes, I have - he has a very specific way of eating a banana... grin

Merry Christmas, my friend,

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« Reply #317 on: Dec 19th, 2008, 1:40pm »

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Why do you spell my name wrong DrStern? And no, it was not a joke. Speculating on why a drone is here, implies that the drone is actually here. Speculating on how it works implies that the drone does indeed exist. The first and foremost goal should be to find out if the case is a hoax or not before speculating on how the cloak works, how it navigates, what it is made of, etc......that is putting the wagon in front of the horse, is it not? And it suggests to people new to this case that the drones are more than an unsupported claim with nothing but anonymous witnesses and questionable photos. Some call that type of thing misleading propaganda. I call it fluff. Sorry to have angered you, Doc. Merry Christmas!


I'm sure DrDil can help dig out to find all (or some) posts that show how much work was done trying to figure out the workings of the possible Drone, that was speculated throughout this entire thread, as he has a remarkable way of remembering what was said and done.

I rest my case, and if you feel I'm wrong, please come forward.

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« Reply #318 on: Dec 19th, 2008, 1:52pm »

California Drones Mystery Solved By Sarah Connor Chronicles?
http://screenrant.com/sarah-connor-chronicles-california-drones-mystery-brusimm-4647/
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« Reply #319 on: Dec 19th, 2008, 1:59pm »

on Dec 19th, 2008, 1:40pm, DrStern wrote:
I'm sure DrDil can help dig out to find all (or some) posts that show how much work was done trying to figure out the workings of the possible Drone, that was speculated throughout this entire thread, as he has a remarkable way of remembering what was said and done.

I rest my case, and if you feel I'm wrong, please come forward.

DrStern


I already have come forward and stated why I feel the way I do. You do not have to agree with it, like it, or even pay attention to it. It is my opinion. It is the way I feel. Again, I'm sorry if that upsets you, Doc! I just don't see the sense in speculating on how a drone works when the drone is yet to be proven to exist.

Constructive speculation would be how a F-117 Stealth fighter absorbs radar. That exists. Speculation on how a drone has a cloaking field and that it distorts the atmosphere and causes shadow anomolies is not constructive. It is an attempt to counter the shadow anomalies caused by two light sources and holds no water since the drones existence has not been established. The drone must first exist and have a cloaking field in order to speculate that that is causing shadow anomalies.

Any other speculation relating to how the drone works is serving what purpose? Anyhow, whether we agree or disagree, I hate to anger anyone. My apologies, Drstern! wink
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« Reply #320 on: Dec 19th, 2008, 2:01pm »

on Dec 19th, 2008, 1:30pm, DrStern wrote:
Marvin, don't be too glad, as I'm in my "angry" mode...

Yes, I have - he has a very specific way of eating a banana... grin

Merry Christmas, my friend,

DrStern




The event that made one realize, Prot was really who he claimed to be... when the Psychiatrist arranged a meeting with the Astrophysicists, and Prot drew a complex orbit of a planet around a binary star system (that happened to be located where the Astrophysicists had recently made the discovery of that system... not yet known to the public).

An “Ah Ha” moment like that is what I need to shoot more life back into the Drone mystery. I have waited a year and a half now… sadly, no “Ah Ha” moment.



on Dec 19th, 2008, 12:38pm, Latitude wrote:


What you see as evidence of hoax I see as either flawed or speculative. You state this stuff as fact when it is very far from it.

Why does it bother you so much that we ask what if?

We don't care if the world does not recognize the drones as a real sighting. It does not bother us one bit. To tell you the truth, imo it will never be accepted. That's just the way it is and nothing can change it. But I don't care. I will continue to follow and study the case. Sorry if that offends you.





Lat, I fully respect your right to believe and I feel no offence. I just wish more evidence would be brought forward... any evidence at all. Debating beliefs, speculation and opinions do not advance either side of the Drone saga.

I use to be waiting for that day when the DRT would announce “we found them” (the witnesses) or at least, “we found one.” Or some new evidence would come to the surface… but alas, it looks like the deck is “stacked against you.”



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DrStern... sorry you are angry. But angry or not, it is always good to have you here. smiley

And you too Lat. Anyone that likes ELO is okay in my book. wink

Merry Christmas to all.
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« Reply #321 on: Dec 19th, 2008, 2:04pm »

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And someone should do what Kris and others suggested, test the hypothesis using HPO's model and a CGI reproduction of the scene taken with HPO's model. Can CGI 3/d replicate the shadows exactly of a daylight photograph with a drone in it?
Just wondering...


Tomi, we have already perfectly modeled the telephone pole, and matched every single shadow with the pole in raj's image. What makes you think the drone would be different? Why do you think we can perfectly recreate every shadow on the telephone pole, but the done shadows are inaccurate?

3D Studio Max is used to simulate REAL WORLD LIGHTING. They use 3DSM in movies, video games, everything.... When they want to place a fake object with real looking lighting effects in a movie, they use 3DSM, to fool the people in thinking it is real.

Matching an image of HPO's model with a 3D model, is exactly like matching our 3D model telephone pole with raj's image. We have already done it.
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« Reply #322 on: Dec 19th, 2008, 2:10pm »

Mr. Jeddyhi (Spellcheck, please?)

So, it's not allowed to try to figure out how a maschine is working, being real or not?

Gee, that's what was keeping me from staying here..

IF it is real, isn't it good to estimate how it COULD be working? And, if you say, it's out of the question something like this could ever be real?

I have to disappoint you, as much of the technologies proposed here, are in work today, maybe terrestrial, but never underestimate from where and how we brilliant minds got our knowledge from.

If you never question some things in your life, you never will be pleased with what is true.

Again, Merry Chistmas

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« Reply #323 on: Dec 19th, 2008, 2:12pm »

on Dec 19th, 2008, 2:04pm, neveleeleven wrote:


Tomi, we have already perfectly modeled the telephone pole, and matched every single shadow with the pole in raj's image. What makes you think the drone would be different? Why do you think we can perfectly recreate every shadow on the telephone pole, but the done shadows are inaccurate?

3D Studio Max is used to simulate REAL WORLD LIGHTING. They use 3DSM in movies, video games, everything.... When they want to place a fake object with real looking lighting effects in a move, they use 3DSM, to fool the people in thinking it is real.

Matching an image of HPO's model with a 3D model, is exactly like matching our 3D model telephone pole with raj's image. We have already done it.




HEY 1111....

Can you fill us in on the solar position with the Raj photo 16 (I believe the EXIF data states 5:42PM)? What is the angle above the horizon? Thanks.

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« Reply #324 on: Dec 19th, 2008, 2:13pm »

on Dec 19th, 2008, 1:52pm, DrStern wrote:
California Drones Mystery Solved By Sarah Connor Chronicles?
http://screenrant.com/sarah-connor-chronicles-california-drones-mystery-brusimm-4647/


This fully supports the claim I made back in 2007 when all this started:

"The entire drone hoax is most likely scrap material from a movie/video game that didn't make it to the final cut. Movie and video game producers tend to make a lot of extra content, and create "background stories" for characters or situations, and make a lot of props, images, and prototypes of ideas, and a lot of it doesn't make it to the final production. Someone probably thought it would be funny to use the scrap material to create a hoax."
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« Reply #325 on: Dec 19th, 2008, 2:34pm »

This is where everyone and the fun went! Guess I'll join the party. grin
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« Reply #326 on: Dec 19th, 2008, 3:04pm »

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« Reply #327 on: Dec 19th, 2008, 3:06pm »

on Dec 19th, 2008, 2:12pm, Marvin wrote:
HEY 1111....
Can you fill us in on the solar position with the Raj photo 16 (I believe the EXIF data states 5:42PM)? What is the angle above the horizon? Thanks.



Based off of calculations for the Raj photo 16, I believe the solar position is:

A. Azimuth = 278
H. Altitude = 20
Z. Cosine of Zenith Angle = 0.351

Which would make it about 5:20pm.

However, if the time 5:42 is correct, the solar position should be:
A. Azimuth = 281
H. Altitude = 16.5
Z. Cosine of Zenith Angle = 0.280

A 2D representation of a 3D position of the Sun. rolleyes
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By the way, my calculations provide evidence that Raj's camera was not set for Daylight Saving Time.

Also, something tells me that the drone hoaxers didn't know that the solar Zenith angle could be calculated using the telephone pole and shadows. lol
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« Reply #328 on: Dec 19th, 2008, 3:08pm »

whoops double post...

...don't have anything good to type here lol.

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« Reply #329 on: Dec 19th, 2008, 3:35pm »

on Dec 19th, 2008, 2:13pm, neveleeleven wrote:
This fully supports the claim I made back in 2007 when all this started:

"The entire drone hoax is most likely scrap material from a movie/video game that didn't make it to the final cut. Movie and video game producers tend to make a lot of extra content, and create "background stories" for characters or situations, and make a lot of props, images, and prototypes of ideas, and a lot of it doesn't make it to the final production. Someone probably thought it would be funny to use the scrap material to create a hoax."


Sigh embarassed rolleyes Came across that article a couple of days ago and I was going to post this link somewhere, but where? And what will people think about my comments? Will it offend DRT or look stupid to either camp? I just don't know anymore how we can satisfy our NEED to talk about drones.. without getting up each others nose.. I want to talk about the dam* things.. what I'm thinking or researching or observing without getting labeled or lampooned or thought to be a pro droner or a pro hoaxer.

But as you can see, even now soo soon, history is getting distorted by what she wrote. Her facts are not correct, because I was part of what she is writing about. Where do I post thishuh? Why do we all have to fight?

Lat, I wanted to be able to say on DRT forum, I spent 5 hours researching Cameron and certain things I found made me think about what I posted earlier about him, but I dare not! I almost dared not here too. Because I will either offend (or confound smiley) the sensibilites of one camp or the other.. with anything I say for sure.

But one thing is for sure... we are all passionate about this drone saga in our own way.. And we need to hash it out with each other. We need peer review as well about all aspects that are studied.

I think if two people think the same about something, one of them is unnecessary. There is a balance obtained in looking squarely at this saga, only because there are both ends of the spectrum. We don't want to lose the plot, do we?, because one side says It's a hoax forget about it.. and the other says.. no it's real..

The balance comes from both sides, I wish at Christmas we could after a fricking year and a half appreciate that and each other. laugh
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