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« Reply #330 on: Dec 19th, 2008, 4:05pm »

on Dec 19th, 2008, 2:34pm, Katterfelto wrote:
This is where everyone and the fun went! Guess I'll join the party. grin



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on Dec 19th, 2008, 3:06pm, neveleeleven wrote:
Based off of calculations for the Raj photo 16, I believe the solar position is:

A. Azimuth = 278
H. Altitude = 20
Z. Cosine of Zenith Angle = 0.351

Which would make it about 5:20pm.



Thanks 1111.

20 sounds right.



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LOL, I'm single, got a picture?


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I put my glasses onÖ and I would like to retract my hot statement. wink grin
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« Reply #331 on: Dec 19th, 2008, 4:13pm »

on Dec 19th, 2008, 2:10pm, DrStern wrote:
Mr. Jeddyhi (Spellcheck, please?)

So, it's not allowed to try to figure out how a maschine is working, being real or not?


lol You perplex me, Doc! The point is that research based on a scientific approach has turned up problems with the drone case. Problems that clearly point to a hoax scenario. These points are refuted with speculative data based on a presumption that the drone is real and compounded with speculative notions as to how the drone would work if real, and how the performance of a real drone would effect a real world situation. Of course, all the notions and speculation are a moot point since the reality of a drone has not been proven.

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Gee, that's what was keeping me from staying here..

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IF it is real, isn't it good to estimate how it COULD be working? And, if you say, it's out of the question something like this could ever be real?


You're losing me with this sentence! IF something is real, it is good to estimate how it works, hence my F-117 Stealth fighter example. I don't believe I said it's out of the question something like this could be real as I firmly believe in UFOs and the possibility of anti-gravity drives. I just don't believe this case is real. Supporting evidence is to weak to counter the evidence of hoax.

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I have to disappoint you, as much of the technologies proposed here, are in work today, maybe terrestrial, but never underestimate from where and how we brilliant minds got our knowledge from.


You have not disappointed me, Doc, only enlightened me. As much as we like to think we have back engineered technology from aliens, do not underestimate the intelligence of the Human race. We are capable of so much.

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You speak as if I need help in believing in the human spirit. One cannot gain knowledge or wisdom without learning and learning means asking questions, no matter how silly the question may seem. When one stops asking questions, the quest for knowledge is over. I ask myself questions all the time. Questions pertaining to the drones that I ask myself are:

1. Where are the witnesses who took the photos?
2. Why did they all report their sighting online only?
3. Why did they all refuse to call any authorities to document their sighting?
4. Why did they all remain completely anonymous when they only needed to remain publically anonymous. (As in letting investigators know who and where they are but not the public)
5. Why did Chad lie about the location of his sighting to LMH?
6. Why does the Big Basin Drone look like a it is a cut and paste job
7. Why does the DRT ignore these things and make excuses for them
8. Why did Isaac steal documents over 20 years ago and do nothing with them? If the drones had never have been spotted, what was the purpose of his espionage?
9. Why did the drones seems magnetically attracted to people with digital cameras? And people who wanted to remain anonymous and not report their sighting in a documentive way?
10. Why does the drone case fit the parameters of an internet hoax?
11. Why are there some people who do not ask these questions and instead speculate on how a drone works?
12. Why does good healthy debating without personal insult have to be referred to as "fighting" by Tomi lol?

I could go on and on. I ask questions, Doc, I ask good hard questions and then I look for answers. I don't always find them though!
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« Reply #332 on: Dec 19th, 2008, 5:05pm »

on Dec 19th, 2008, 4:13pm, Jeddyhi wrote:
1. Where are the witnesses who took the photos?
2. Why did they all report their sighting online only?
3. Why did they all refuse to call any authorities to document their sighting?
4. Why did they all remain completely anonymous when they only needed to remain publically anonymous. (As in letting investigators know who and where they are but not the public)
5. Why did Chad lie about the location of his sighting to LMH?
6. Why does the Big Basin Drone look like a it is a cut and paste job
7. Why does the DRT ignore these things and make excuses for them
8. Why did Isaac steal documents over 20 years ago and do nothing with them? If the drones had never have been spotted, what was the purpose of his espionage?
9. Why did the drones seems magnetically attracted to people with digital cameras? And people who wanted to remain anonymous and not report their sighting in a documentive way?
10. Why does the drone case fit the parameters of an internet hoax?
11. Why are there some people who do not ask these questions and instead speculate on how a drone works?
12. Why does good healthy debating without personal insult have to be referred to as "fighting" by Tomi lol?


1. Unknown
2. You don't know that.
3. Same as #2
4. They did not. We have names and you know it.
5. Did Chad Lie? You don't know it. Depends on interpretation.
6. Does not look cut and paste to me
7. DRT only ignores baiting. We answer when we can.
8. We can only speculate on Isaac's motives. My guess is obvious to me. He knew one day he would want to tell somebody and would need some sort of proof. He likely knows now that people would not want to hear it. Sad but that's the world we live in.
9. Totally backwards question. You don't even know if Ty used a digital camera. You do like to jump to conclusions.
10. In your opinion
11. Because we are free to ask what we want
12. Can't answer for Tomi but as for myself, insults are often couched in so called debate.

You seem unable to put yourself into the shoes of the witness. For that reason it all seems foreign to you.

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« Reply #333 on: Dec 19th, 2008, 5:29pm »

Mr. Jeddyhi

Please don't patronize me, as I see your post as an insult to my intelligence.

All these things has been debated, and I certainly ask myself why we haven't arose beyond this...

As I see it, the only reason to keep this alive, is that you're not at all sure that what you present is true.

I on the other hand are not able (As standing) to prove that this issue is real.

So, we're at status quo, you have your arguments, and I have mine....

True debate is when one discuss evidence as presented, and some here master that disciplin, some not.

Here it's open if the "evidence" is present, or a clever hoax.

Either side has presented possible ways, this either is true or hoax. To little avail, in my humble opinion!

If you are so sure of your belief, why not standardize it, and write a scientific paper explaining the whole "hoax" in a way that is understandable to the scientific world?

I'll save you the work...it's not possible!

That's why every spinoff excites you, telling you this is all a hoax...

But, stubborn as you are, you hold onto the belief that this could never happen!

Sure, it could happen! Maybe you haven't checked up on your science, but what is shown in the "Isaac" files actually might be used as we speak, and known as "Terrestrial" research, and you, the common man, wouldn't be the wiser.

It's everywhere, in your cellphone 4g is the next step...

Sorry to say, but evolution took 1000'th of years...the human developement takes only a few 100 years, a very small if not microns of time compared to how evolution created you and me. And ofcourse we need to think "out of the box" as the development of super computers times itself double every time you go to the lavatory!

You, Mr. Jeddyhi are a thinker who lost the real foundation upon every civilisation is built! In other words, you live in the "Dark Ages".

Merry Christmas,

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« Reply #334 on: Dec 19th, 2008, 5:33pm »

Drstern, if you insist on talking down to me, you can talk with yourself! Conversation over. Happy holidays!

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« Reply #335 on: Dec 19th, 2008, 5:36pm »

Lat....Not one single photo witness has been vetted. You have no idea who they are, where they are, or what their real names are. Get real, buddy!

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« Reply #336 on: Dec 19th, 2008, 6:03pm »

on Dec 19th, 2008, 1:52pm, DrStern wrote:
California Drones Mystery Solved By Sarah Connor Chronicles?
http://screenrant.com/sarah-connor-chronicles-california-drones-mystery-brusimm-4647/


I can remember all of the different viral campaign possibilities that were being discussed way back when. I tried to think of any way that one of the drones could ever be used for a movie or game or whatever. The only thing that I could think of, was the opening scene to the original Terminator movie! The war, with the craft flying overhead, would have been a perfect fit for the BB drone, carrying humans or something...

So when I saw the screen shots with the drones in them, I thought this had to be it! They basically showed an exact model of the Raj drone...

So, does this mean they scrapped a viral plan 5 full months before the writers even went on strike?
If so, they would have no problem in saying so, right?

But if that is what happened, wouldn't AW, Doritos and anyone else that used the drones and language be in legal trouble?

Just throwing some thoughts out there...

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« Reply #337 on: Dec 19th, 2008, 6:23pm »

Nah Newtothis.., not if it was therirs already. Aw not only trademarked some of the letters, but august 10 2007 laptops internals shows copyright on that design and letters in design of their screen saver which copied the designs exactly. Remember that these folx like warners,have already worked jointly on things like this before. It doesnt have to be necessarily Terminator, all that could have been taken care of before it even started. There will be no legal court battles. Or it would have been mounted against AW long ago. AW would never go against Warners, like the watchmen creators went againnst Warners for stealing their ideas.
No this is smart business right. Nothing really failed, slowed yes, but not failed.
Anyone take a tour of burbanks warners studio to see if the pole is there,?I did a google earth and in green areas I see similar lamps. I hear they shot that SCC right there also, and have a whole makeshift town.
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« Reply #338 on: Dec 19th, 2008, 6:34pm »

on Dec 19th, 2008, 4:13pm, Jeddyhi wrote:
12. Why does good healthy debating without personal insult have to be referred to as "fighting" by Tomi lol?

I could go on and on. I ask questions, Doc, I ask good hard questions and then I look for answers. I don't always find them though!


I will answer #12. Please don't think I was refering to you here. TBH, I am most frustrated by the situation as a whole. And I'm trying to put the notion out that there must be healthy debate to keep the case healthy and our minds stretched to possibilities as much as possible.
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« Reply #339 on: Dec 19th, 2008, 6:52pm »

on Dec 19th, 2008, 6:03pm, newtothis wrote:
I can remember all of the different viral campaign possibilities that were being discussed way back when. I tried to think of any way that one of the drones could ever be used for a movie or game or whatever. The only thing that I could think of, was the opening scene to the original Terminator movie! The war, with the craft flying overhead, would have been a perfect fit for the BB drone, carrying humans or something...

So when I saw the screen shots with the drones in them, I thought this had to be it! They basically showed an exact model of the Raj drone...

So, does this mean they scrapped a viral plan 5 full months before the writers even went on strike?
If so, they would have no problem in saying so, right?

But if that is what happened, wouldn't AW, Doritos and anyone else that used the drones and language be in legal trouble?

Just throwing some thoughts out there...

Tuna


Hey Tuna,
Cheers for taking this topic up. I spent a long time mulling over Cameron and his cohorts. Lucas, Speilberg, and everyone on down the bell curve, this man has some endeavour with.

Just to get a flavor of the talent in his back pocket:
http://www.filmmakers.com/links/

See... when I pondered the work of these people, their vast resources and capabilities, I saw that "anything" was possible. It was the first time it really struck me that if this was an extravagant fantasy so executed to perfection that it can't be solved.. these people would and could do it.

Why? Not for the Sarah Connors chronicles I'm pretty sure.. Not for Terminator 4 either, but what about Avatair? Do you know about that? Well, nobody knows about it. It's still building in anticipation, but nobody has any insight into the movie plot that I can find at least.

What about all this drone business being partly true and partly protrayed by the talent of this eschelon?
It's possible..

What I realised looking deeply into this Camerons connections and resources is that it certainly is possible..
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« Reply #340 on: Dec 19th, 2008, 9:15pm »

I wrote on Camerons Avatar some time ago, the premise being of natives being used as proxies in an underwater war. The main characters somehow inject their minds into the natives to do whatever. An artificial language was developed by a university professor, Fromm at UCLA which I was unable to find by hook or crook, to see if it bore any resemblance to the Isaac glyphs.
but it was done. They have systemmatically erased all past references to the project called then 880 , from clips, fan sites , websites etc.in the JJ abrams iron hand style.Shallayman also had a similarly named film , but changed it to Green Mist or something after a legal challenge.
Part of the film was done off Mexico on a giant oil platform, and thus my interest, as I wanted to find oil pigs, landing pads, etc. It is wrapped up very tight.
It will also redefine state of the art in movie making and CGI, as he Trained Steven Spielberg on equipment he designed (cameron) himself.
Your premise is sound as these people, with hundred million dollar films, or muli million dollar TV series, doing what was done is extremely simple, and they no doubt have a dedicated few still working the buzz..or softening up the audience sometimes 2 years in advance. Avatar is Due Dec 2009, so we should start hearing and seeing things soon.
The disclosure we so want, the feeling "something big" is coming, is just that , a big movie.
Quite plausible, , whether its Disney, Warners, Sony or others.
He is supposed to redo the old Forbidden Planet in 3d as well. I am looking foward to that one.
http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avatar_(film) make sure you get the whole link or you will be kicked to another Avatar topic.
in fact he also selectoded Ubisoft to produce an online game by the same name..like warcrafts online MMORG
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avatar_%28video_game%29 Its how most of them do.
But Why us in these things,?
Dillinger a famous Bankrobber was asked why he robbed banks, and he responded.."cause thats where the money is"


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« Reply #341 on: Dec 20th, 2008, 06:16am »

Now that it really sunk in after seeing the talent out there under that umbrella that surrounds Cameron, I realise that the GENIUS of this drone saga, which is true genius.. either real or not.. is possible.... coming from the minds of mere mortals.. But I'm still not convinced that it is just for a movie..

Avatar was being developed in 2006 I imagine.. That could tie it in somehow, but there is more to this whole thing... IMO

There is more.... it is pure Genius, that is why we are so entrenched in it, trying to figure it out, appreciating it and conflicted about it all at the same time.

Is it partly real, partly portrayed? What elements of truth about something alien could be part of this? All of it? Part of it?

My instincts tell me that there is more to this than just the movie, that there is something of human talent here possibly mixed up with pure alien genius .. or else Avatar is going to be one hell of a movie.. because the genius of the drone saga is unmatched in its intricate designs, pure raw creative genius ... etc.

Gotta be more to this.. just my instinct saying this now..
No.. more than instinct.. reasoning.. is telling me there is so much more.. I may be wrong.. but there is too much in this drone saga, in design, work, execution, etc.. just to be a build up to a movie 4 years forward..

Plus there is all the tie-ins to what comes from the history of our government working secretly, the history of sightings by people, the amount the government has expended itself in work and research.

There is something we don't understand, people see ufo's, the governments have researched them, there are stories unverified.. yet coming from all directions..

My reasoning won't let me just dismiss this as a viral for a movie.. it's too much just for a movie.. I'm thinking.

But kudo's to you ES/Sys, you hit on the Cameron Avatar possibility. Long way to go though before we figure this out. We should all be thankful for everyone, the DRT, the PI's, everyone throwing their 2 cents and more into figuring out this saga..

Sure we are going to knock heads about it.. It's Christmas time though and we should be thankful for everyone's work, dedication and allocation of resources to figure this out. We are blessed.
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« Reply #342 on: Dec 20th, 2008, 07:18am »

Hi Tomi smiley,

For what it's worth I've always been highly sceptical regarding all, Ďviralí hypotheses. Even when the writers strike is taken into account I donít believe that the Drones are related to SCC, I donít discount that Cameron has enough talent in his stable to orchestrate the entire scenario as do many other companies, I just donít think the Drones were ever intended to be -nor were perpetrated- as an advertising campaign.

Iíve said the same about Halo3, Transformers, Cloverfield etc. because as I say I donít believe that a viral promotion was ever the intention.

Iím a little puzzled how you can still wax lyrical about the ďgeniusĒ that is on display Tomi, when you say things like:

on Dec 20th, 2008, 06:16am, tomi01uk wrote:
I realise that the GENIUS of this drone saga, which is true genius.. either real or not.. is possible.... coming from the minds of mere mortals.. There is more.... it is pure Genius, that is why we are so entrenched in it, trying to figure it out, appreciating it and conflicted about it all at the same time.

To what specifically are you referring?

Apart from the obvious skill involved in compositing a CGI object into a background image (of course supposing that it is all a CGI hoax) then to what, Ďgeniusí do you refer?

ďMere mortalsĒ?

Do you not think its just second-rate sci-fi?

If there is anything significant about the event then itís the people discussing, debating, investigating & researching the Drones that have elevated the debacle to this higher status, (the same people who are as you say still, ďentrenchedĒ in it) as undoubtedly the standard of research has been incredibly high from all involved.

But to still claim it as Ďgeniusí is just a little naive, isn't it?

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« Reply #343 on: Dec 20th, 2008, 08:13am »

Thereís something Iíve been meaning to mention for a while now and itís regarding the possibilities of Chad being vindicated from spinning his web of deceit by the fact that he didnít live where the images were captured, as 11Aug was quick to point out when I didnít include his conjecture when I quoted him here. Prompting 11 to write:

on Nov 23rd, 2008, 4:05pm, elevenaugust wrote:
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It seems like that you forgot to quote my full post on OMF, so just to be fair....

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Well on March 25, 2008 Linda Moulton-Howe sent James Carrion an email stating that she had Chadís full name and also that in a further and unpublished email Chad had wrote that:

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Coupled with Chadís OWN words:

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  • Most of the time I see it out of windows in my house, in the distance. but I would say almost half of the hikes
  • I have gone on in my area, I have seen it very close.
  • It is very easy to photograph
  • Many neighbors aside from my friend have also seen it.

All of which suggests that it was for a FACT Chad's house, unless he's lying. Which (either way) also means that he lied about quite a bit (if not all) of his encounter/s with the Drone.

So I guess that takes us full circle back to my original question:

on Nov 23rd, 2008, 3:51pm, DrDil wrote:
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Seems as if Chad is a pathological liar who tricked Linda as I feel itís highly unlikely that Chad gave Linda his real name when he obviously lied to her repeatedly about his locationÖ.

So relying JUST on the evidence what makes you believe Chad didnít lie abut everything?

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« Reply #344 on: Dec 20th, 2008, 11:03am »

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Which means Chad could have been staying with relatives when he said he was near Bakersfield.

The only fact here is that you don't know what Chad said to Linda so all of your speculation (and accusations) is moot.

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