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« Reply #360 on: Dec 21st, 2008, 07:41am »

on Dec 21st, 2008, 03:29am, newtothis wrote:
You can't be serious! Why do you spend time discussing the drones if they are insignificant? Even the most die hard hoax campers are STILL hounding these forums and doing searches for anything DRONE! Nothing special?

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Believe it or not, I am helping to protect 'ufology'. I am also being nice and I am softening the fall for the believers of the drone.

If it wasn't for people like myself debating about the reality of these drones, there would probably be multiple cults forming, and worshiping these drones, and starting another Heavens Gate.

If people like myself just sit back, and ignore this debate, then all of the "drone reality" b.s. will flood the internet. Then people will start getting conned into believing they are real, and they will probably end up wasting 1000's of dollars on something that is fake. Probably spend money on P.I.'s , professional photo analysis, maybe some reward for finding a certain object. All that money adds up. And there is probably quite a few people who are in that position.

I am trying to prevent people from doing that in the future, regarding this drone.



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« Reply #361 on: Dec 21st, 2008, 08:45am »

on Dec 20th, 2008, 4:01pm, DrDil wrote:
I sort of agree but while I may be looking with ‘disbelief’ it’s not at the Drones or their aesthetics sweetheart!! User Image


Classic!

I think that line from DrDil just about sums up why any of us "non drone believers" involve ourselves in this endless circle of debate. It is not because of the extraordinary details of such a complete and documented sighting. It is not because the case seems grounded in reality. It is not because we find the drones captivating....it is because of how some not only took the bait hook, line and sinker but that they also swallowed the pole, tipped the boat, and continue to tread water hoping the drone case will throw them a life jacket. grin
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« Reply #362 on: Dec 21st, 2008, 09:27am »

on Dec 21st, 2008, 07:41am, neveleeleven wrote:
Believe it or not, I am helping to protect 'ufology'. I am also being nice and I am softening the fall for the believers of the drone.

If it wasn't for people like myself debating about the reality of these drones, there would probably be multiple cults forming, and worshiping these drones, and starting another Heavens Gate.

If people like myself just sit back, and ignore this debate, then all of the "drone reality" b.s. will flood the internet. Then people will start getting conned into believing they are real, and they will probably end up wasting 1000's of dollars on something that is fake. Probably spend money on P.I.'s , professional photo analysis, maybe some reward for finding a certain object. All that money adds up. And there is probably quite a few people who are in that position.

I am trying to prevent people from doing that in the future, regarding this drone.


Very interesting reply. Will surely be useful.....At least for know how debunkers think....
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You know NOTHING about our investigations (pro-real or pro-hoax) and label us as "Hard-believers", which is not true.
Moreover, things are not always "all white" or "all black" (Manichaeism vision), there are multiple intermediate levels between these two extreme situations....
Here's how it work with the drone investigations actually and that makes the difference between you and me.....:

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A REAL Ufologic investigation must consider all aspect of an event, even the most extraordinary

The very interesting question would be, as pointed out by Tuna,
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Why do you spend time discussing the drones if they are insignificant? Even the most die hard hoax campers are STILL hounding these forums and doing searches for anything DRONE!

I would just add... Why do you really spend time....

Merry Christmas all and see ya later!!
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« Reply #363 on: Dec 21st, 2008, 09:32am »

on Dec 21st, 2008, 09:27am, elevenaugust wrote:
Very interesting reply. Will surely be useful.....At least for know how debunkers think....
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You know NOTHING about our investigations (pro-real or pro-hoax) and label us as "Hard-believers", which is not true.
Moreover, things are not always "all white" or "all black" (Manichaeism vision), there are multiple intermediate levels between these two extreme situations....
Here's how it work with the drone investigations actually and that makes the difference between you and me.....:

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A REAL Ufologic investigation must consider all aspect of an event, even the most extraordinary

The very interesting question would be, as pointed out by Tuna,

I would just add... Why do you really spend time....

Merry Christmas all and see ya later!!




This DRT forum was created for the discussion of the reality of the drones. Other forums exist for hoax discussion.


Nice try eleven
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« Reply #364 on: Dec 21st, 2008, 10:02am »

My bad, thank you for correcting me.

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« Reply #365 on: Dec 21st, 2008, 10:14am »

on Dec 21st, 2008, 09:27am, elevenaugust wrote:
You know NOTHING about our investigations (pro-real or pro-hoax) and label us as "Hard-believers", which is not true.



So we do know that there are NO pro hoax investigations.....right?

Is that fair to say?

Any leads that suggest hoax are not followed up by the drt?

I believe I know your answer.....but for the sake of clarity, would you indulge me an answer? ( speaking for yourself and not the drt)
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« Reply #366 on: Dec 21st, 2008, 10:41am »

Feel free to make your own deductions or conclusions; all I have to said was in my previous post.

Now back to work.

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« Reply #367 on: Dec 21st, 2008, 10:43am »

on Dec 21st, 2008, 09:27am, elevenaugust wrote:
Very interesting reply. Will surely be useful.....At least for know how debunkers think....
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You know NOTHING about our investigations (pro-real or pro-hoax) and label us as "Hard-believers", which is not true.
Moreover, things are not always "all white" or "all black" (Manichaeism vision), there are multiple intermediate levels between these two extreme situations....

While I appreciate what you’re saying 11 it does seem to directly contradict what we ALL know from personal experience with the DRT as an entity.

I think your ‘Manichaeism vision” metaphor may be a little off-kilter regarding the context you present it in. But considering the current situation then indeed is perhaps more relevant than you initially thought when (mis)applying the term as it isn’t quite as simple as “black & white” and is much more ideologically grounded than that.

It seems as if you’re criticising the work being done by all those who believe the Drones are a hoax, even stranger is the fact that you post snide comments at the DRT forum which label this forum as, “The hoax believer forum” which admittedly is an improvement as at least you now call us *THE* hoax believers rather than *A* hoax believers forum. grin

So…..

YOU are over at the DRT posting aspersions about this forum.
YOU believe we look at nothing except proof of hoax.
YOU come over here to this forum to further continue your attack.
YOU go to the trouble of creating a highly speculative graph to further this attack.
YOUR forum prevents any of us having a ‘right to reply’.
YOUR forum pre-emptively bans specific (opposing) persons IP addresses.
YOUR forum prevents the voice of opposing opinions being heard.
YOUR forum censors free speech.
YOUR forum tries to even stop us reading it.

etc. etc. ad infinitum..... laugh

So regarding “Manichaeism” then it seems as if it’s quite appropriate to describe your actions and intent as surely YOURS is the dualistic philosophy which seeks to suspiciously divide the community with a definite line of belief, serving as a reducer or more accurately as confinement lest the divide between *us & them* become blurred by friendship…..

In short then I guess personally I would perhaps ascribe the word, “Machiavellian” as infinitely more appropriate and ultimately more descriptive to better define your actions of late.

All the best!!
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« Reply #368 on: Dec 21st, 2008, 10:44am »

on Dec 21st, 2008, 03:36am, newtothis wrote:
Hey there, I'm obviously curious about your thoughts on the drones now... SCC viral? Big dogs stealing from small dog ideas? Have you been to Turkey? Please tell!! smiley

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Hey Tuna,
To be honest the drone hoax has become boring and tedious to me. I am as convinced today as I was when i first read Chads ridiculous letter so long ago that this is a hoax....perhaps viral marketing gone bad, perhaps some talented CGI artist having a chuckle at the UFO communities expense, perhaps a test from the PtB.....none of it matters as drones only exist in ones imagination!
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« Reply #369 on: Dec 21st, 2008, 10:46am »

Oh....you are too smart for me and realized where I was going.....


on Dec 21st, 2008, 09:27am, elevenaugust wrote:
A REAL Ufologic investigation must consider all aspect of an event, even the most extraordinary




Since the drt does NOT consider all the possibilities, it must not be a real investigation.

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« Reply #370 on: Dec 21st, 2008, 11:03am »

on Dec 21st, 2008, 09:27am, elevenaugust wrote:
You know NOTHING about our investigations (pro-real or pro-hoax) and label us as "Hard-believers", which is not true.


elevenaugust, to tell you the truth, I really don't give a crap about you, or your "investigation".

Actually, I don't even remember mentioning your name, or "DRT". It seems you have lumped yourself into the "hard believers" category all on your own. I actually don't remember saying anything about "hard believers".

on Dec 21st, 2008, 09:27am, elevenaugust wrote:
Here's how it work with the drone investigations actually and that makes the difference between you and me.....


The difference between you and me, is that I am not stupid enough to actually believe these CGI renders are real.

The graph you need to be worried about is this one:
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« Reply #371 on: Dec 21st, 2008, 2:22pm »

on Dec 21st, 2008, 11:03am, neveleeleven wrote:
elevenaugust, to tell you the truth, I really don't give a crap about you, or your "investigation".

The difference between you and me, is that I am not stupid enough to actually believe these CGI renders are real.


It's inflammatory and derogatory posts like this that explains why you are the only debunker ever to be thrown off of ATS.

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« Reply #372 on: Dec 21st, 2008, 2:32pm »

on Dec 21st, 2008, 2:22pm, Latitude wrote:
It's inflammatory and derogatory posts like this that explains why you are the only debunker ever to be thrown off of ATS.



I hate to agree with Lat, but he is right that it was over the top...little bit.

But I also must protest the use of the word "debunker" by Lat...it is inflammatory and derogatory
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« Reply #373 on: Dec 21st, 2008, 2:51pm »

Hahahaha , Nice response to the facts,What a joke .
If the shoe fits wear it I say.,what you just said., and 1111 was allowed back in after
showing Springer his case, and allowed to go on with the forum, succesfully, and going on to finish smoking the rest of the tuna at omf., and has high standing at ATS.look who is talking about banned, you were banned for being caught in a lie by Jake and Jeddyhi ie, an incorrigible liar , that is precious. What don't you tell us your version of what happened at Area 51 with that family member, you told Shads, we know, but lets hear it from YOU.
who knows, maybe the PTB are really after YOU and did the hoax just for YOU. After all, you must know something we all don't to ignor the obvious.
Its possible, you know, the PTB have been known to take whole planes down to get at one person,Ask Bill.
If you let it out now, maybe we can guarantee and arrange some kind protection for you and maybe even Linda., and what the heck, the DRT can protect you too.
That would be something!
It might even lead to disclosure!


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« Reply #374 on: Dec 21st, 2008, 3:02pm »

I forgot. We can't say the D word. But let's call a spade a spade. No need to sugar coat it. Search his posts on all forums. When has he once posted in favor of being open minded to a sighting or eyewitness account? These types only frequent these forums for one purpose. It's one that takes great pleasure in debunking and ridicule. You can easily tell who they are. Those are the ones that always end up on the contrary point of view.

Not to blow my own horn but I have been on both sides and only for one purpose, to seek the truth while keeping an open mind.

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