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« Reply #405 on: Dec 22nd, 2008, 12:43am »

on Dec 22nd, 2008, 12:22am, TeachersPet wrote:
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Shads , if Numbers fails to answer the first question concerning that Area 51, would you refresh or comment to assure accuracy. You are under no obligation to do so. i was hoping he had the fortitude to answer himself. It might explain some of the behavior we have seen.
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Sure Why not.

Numbers/ Latitude When the drones first came on the scene and you were constantly sending me PMs trying to befriend me...did you or did you not tell me part of the reason you believed the drones were real had to do with your father being killed under mysterious circumstances while working at Area 51?

Please enlighten us all to the truth of this story and explain exactly why you believe the drones are real and what is the correlation to your fathers untimely demise?

Thanks
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« Reply #406 on: Dec 22nd, 2008, 06:14am »

on Dec 22nd, 2008, 12:43am, TheShadow wrote:
Sure Why not.

Numbers/ Latitude When the drones first came on the scene and you were constantly sending me PMs trying to befriend me...did you or did you not tell me part of the reason you believed the drones were real had to do with your father being killed under mysterious circumstances while working at Area 51?

Please enlighten us all to the truth of this story and explain exactly why you believe the drones are real and what is the correlation to your fathers untimely demise?

Thanks


Come on everybody.. lighten up!
The marijauna theory was my idea. Don't blame anyone else in DRT for that. They do grow a lot of it in them there woods.. And it would have explained the excessive secrecy on the locals part...

The DRT must protect the the PI's, and the investigation, (for all of our sake, so we can get to the truth someday) so asking them to out confidencial information is like looking a gift horse in the mouth.

It's frustrating looking at this from the outside, but conjecture about the PI's and the sponsors is biting the hand that is helping to solve this.
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« Reply #407 on: Dec 22nd, 2008, 06:20am »

on Dec 22nd, 2008, 06:14am, tomi01uk wrote:
Come on everybody.. lighten up!
The marijauna theory was my idea.



If it was a theory why was it brought up as to be a FACT....This is not the way to run a supposed investigation....

Do you have any credentials to come to that kind of conclusion?
Do you have any statistics to prove this beyond a doubt?
DO you have any pictures to show this type of thing going on?

You might as well say this is where the cocaine supply is coming from for the whole western seaboard......
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« Reply #408 on: Dec 22nd, 2008, 06:28am »

on Dec 22nd, 2008, 12:35am, murnut wrote:
Why is it hidden?


For no other reason than the logical normal reasons. Many people when they contribute to charity or research generally do not want their names made public. It is their personal finances. It is as simple as that. You can not ask DRT to betray that, without putting them into an unfair situation.
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« Reply #409 on: Dec 22nd, 2008, 06:32am »

on Dec 22nd, 2008, 06:20am, Radi wrote:
If it was a theory why was it brought up as to be a FACT....This is not the way to run a supposed investigation....

Do you have any credentials to come to that kind of conclusion?
Do you have any statistics to prove this beyond a doubt?
DO you have any pictures to show this type of thing going on?

You might as well say this is where the cocaine supply is coming from for the whole western seaboard......


As far as I remember, nobody said for sure that was the reason, it was brought up as a possibility for the locals secrecy.

You want proof of maijuana growing in them there woods.. lol. I think there was a recent bust in there about 6 months ago.. Is that good enough?
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« Reply #410 on: Dec 22nd, 2008, 06:52am »

on Dec 22nd, 2008, 06:32am, tomi01uk wrote:
As far as I remember, nobody said for sure that was the reason, it was brought up as a possibility for the locals secrecy.

You want proof of maijuana growing in them there woods.. lol. I think there was a recent bust in there about 6 months ago.. Is that good enough?


Well there are a lot of busts over the years but it does not prove that this is why the locals were not talking....Maybe it was the approach of Lat or maybe the locals knew nothing of the drones because its an Internet Hoax and was never seen by anybody but those online.....
There are so many reasons why the locals did not want to talk..To nail one down to a specific reason serves as only speculative and unproven..
http://tinyurl.com/6u4ajr

Like the reporter who avoided the PIs..Maybe the parents were protecting their daughter from some strangers whom they felt were a threatening influence...
Which there is nothing strange or sinister about that parents like to protect their kids from things and people who they think might hurt their child...

So your theory is like me saying that Fox is behind the drones since we have them on the SCC program....They have also hired the PIs to bring this more to the public after all they were interviewed on the FOX news....
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« Reply #411 on: Dec 22nd, 2008, 07:09am »

on Dec 22nd, 2008, 06:52am, Radi wrote:
Well there are a lot of busts over the years but it does not prove that this is why the locals were not talking....Maybe it was the approach of Lat or maybe the locals knew nothing of the drones because its an Internet Hoax and was never seen by anybody but those online.....
There are so many reasons why the locals did not want to talk..To nail one down to a specific reason serves as only speculative and unproven..
http://tinyurl.com/6u4ajr

Like the reporter who avoided the PIs..Maybe the parents were protecting their daughter from some strangers whom they felt were a threatening influence...
Which there is nothing strange or sinister about that parents like to protect their kids from things and people who they think might hurt their child...


Well, lets just say that I've known enough that I am not "naive" about what is grown in them there woods..

However, I've never been there so don't start accusing me of either maijuana growing or setting some hoax senerio up tongue

I agree with you about the reporter. We all have our own subjective views on that aspect. I think she just wanted no part of this drone business. Protective parents or not. But that is JMO.

edit to add: And I think the reason why she probably wanted no part of this drone business, confidenciality assured by the PI's even... is because she feels vulnerable. Too many kooks out there, most people feel quite afraid of publicity and what consequences it could bring, esp in this kind of event.
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« Reply #412 on: Dec 22nd, 2008, 07:11am »

on Dec 22nd, 2008, 07:09am, tomi01uk wrote:
don't start accusing me of either maijuana growing or setting some hoax senerio up tongue



rolleyes rolleyes rolleyes rolleyes rolleyes rolleyes tongue tongue tongue tongue
Sure sounds like you are accusing the locals without proof thou....
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« Reply #413 on: Dec 22nd, 2008, 07:19am »

It is a cottage industry in there. Why do you think they fly planes over that area with infra-red scopes? They are even commissioning "drones" to go flying through there.. funny enough grin
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« Reply #414 on: Dec 22nd, 2008, 07:23am »

I think who is paying the pi's is a question that deserves an answer.

We already have anonymous photo witnesses, why the need for anonymous donors?

I think that part is BS...imo.
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« Reply #415 on: Dec 22nd, 2008, 07:32am »

on Dec 22nd, 2008, 07:23am, murnut wrote:
I think who is paying the pi's is a question that deserves an answer.

We already have anonymous photo witnesses, why the need for anonymous donors?

I think that part is BS...imo.


No it is not. Did the couple who have made that forum now a paid forum talk about who their sponors are?
It is just the same kind of respectful courtesy that any sponsorship requires. Nothing more! Unless after all this time you think I am a liar or a bs'er and I hope your insight into character is better than that !
And no.. I'm not delusional either.. wink
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« Reply #416 on: Dec 22nd, 2008, 07:35am »

on Dec 21st, 2008, 11:03am, neveleeleven wrote:
The difference between you and me, is that I am not stupid enough to actually believe these CGI renders are real.

The graph you need to be worried about is this one:
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Thank you for reinforce and confirm my points about your Manichaeism vision of the drone business.
For you (and most of those here) it's a 100% hoax, plain and simple. You can't even imagine a 10% real/90% hoax.
It's not the lead we are following at the DRT.

I guess you're new to ufology, simply because you seem to naively think that's it's as easy to prove as the drones are fake that they are real.
How many UFO event, according to you, has been prove to be "real"?
For us, it's a long run work that can't be accomplished in one, two or three years.

Anyway, debunkers contribution to this drone business is useful, at least to:
1- Show how actually their mind is working (the easier part to understand)
2- Help us to possibly prove the drones to be real, by gradually eliminate all the alleged "smoking guns", or "bad science postings" (call it whatever you want) that we can see (here and elsewhere).

I took the liberty to edit your graph (in a Manichaeism vision, of courserolleyes)

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« Reply #417 on: Dec 22nd, 2008, 07:37am »

on Dec 21st, 2008, 3:02pm, Latitude wrote:
Search his posts on all forums. When has he once posted in favor of being open minded to a sighting or eyewitness account? These types only frequent these forums for one purpose. It's one that takes great pleasure in debunking and ridicule. You can easily tell who they are. Those are the ones that always end up on the contrary point of view.


WOW, what a joke. "You can easily tell", hahaha...

News flash, you are completely wrong! There are quite a few topics with videos I did analysis on, and have came to the conclusion that it was a real object, a real Unidentified Flying Object. Actually, I myself have seen many UFO's with my own eyes. I totally believe in the reality of aliens and UFO's, it is mathematically possible.

Every single UFO case that I look at, I always START with an open mind, every single time. Because, I know in this universe, anything is possible. However, the more I research a certain sighting, or a witness account, and observe, and calculate, and read other peoples opinions, the more my mind starts to close on that specific account. To keep an open mind about something even after multiple amounts of evidence proves it to be fake, well, that's like believing in the Tooth Fairy after your parents, and all your friends, and everyone you know, told you the Tooth Fairy isn't real.

on Dec 21st, 2008, 2:22pm, Latitude wrote:
It's inflammatory and derogatory posts like this that explains why you are the only debunker ever to be thrown off of ATS.



I was just talking the TRUTH. If the truth hurts you, its YOUR FAULT, not mine.

"Thrown off of ATS", you don't know crap! I was only temporarily removed because off my very short fuse when arguing with idiots.

Just read "Springers" signature quote at ATS, which Sprigner and I have discussed in private many times:
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Never argue with an idiot, he'll only bring you down to his level and beat you with experience!


I am having a very hard time with the "never argue with an idiot" part.

Springer actually messaged me and told me I was "doing much better this time", when I had come back to ATS. We then discussed on how to shred someone apart without using insults, and just by showing evidence on how wrong they are.

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« Reply #418 on: Dec 22nd, 2008, 07:43am »

on Dec 22nd, 2008, 07:35am, elevenaugust wrote:
I took the liberty to edit your graph (in a Manichaeism vision, of courserolleyes)



Wow you don't even know how to read a graph!!! HAHAHAHA.

You see, only the pro-hoax has supporting evidence. There is absolutely ZERO supporting evidence for pro-real. Actually, we have evidence that your witnesses lied, which is actually means pro-real has a NEGATIVE amount of supporting evidence.
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« Reply #419 on: Dec 22nd, 2008, 07:51am »

You don't simply know how to read my edit.

Anyway, some others don't even know how to read a compass.... rolleyes

A link to your previous analysis showing real UFOs please??

Edit:
Where is the title of your graph??
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