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« Reply #435 on: Dec 22nd, 2008, 10:56am »

on Dec 22nd, 2008, 10:51am, neveleeleven wrote:
And you are just someone else promoting a website.... nice motive? rolleyes


I'm not promoting anything..and even if I were, I sure would not promote it here...

Why would you think I laid down substantial time trying to say that the science related to the "Drones" might be terrestrial, if I don't follow it up?

Give it a real hard thought..

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« Reply #436 on: Dec 22nd, 2008, 10:56am »

on Dec 22nd, 2008, 10:52am, Jeddyhi wrote:
Sheesh DrStern, that sounded so....grade schoolish!

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Date Registered: 05/23/07 at 00:31:48


Joined right when the drones were hitting the scene. Interesting!


I joined OM or this forum I think in 2004, but didnt come to read very much at all till the drones event either. Loads of ppl joined the forums at the time of the drones out of intense interest like myself..

btw.. that article.. very interesting. The guy lives in London and I imagine he is pretty well respected out there. Very verbose... that's for sure..
So... he is speculating that either some supreme PTB created this or it is part meme protrayed by aliens.. huh

Oh .. the other part I grin grin grin just loved is how he figures that it was targeted to the ultra intelligent out on the internet..

See... everything is subjective wink
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« Reply #437 on: Dec 22nd, 2008, 11:04am »

on Dec 22nd, 2008, 10:56am, tomi01uk wrote:
I joined OM or this forum I think in 2004, but didnt come to read very much at all till the drones event either. Loads of ppl joined the forums at the time of the drones out of intense interest like myself..


Good point. I joined here in 2005. I was a founder of OMF during Serpo. Do you or Lat have a history of an interest in Ufology prior to the drones in 5-2007. Seems like Serpo didn't interest any of you. Lat (Numbers) didn't join OM until just 3 months prior to the drones (February).
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« Reply #438 on: Dec 22nd, 2008, 11:05am »

on Dec 22nd, 2008, 10:53am, tomi01uk wrote:
You can't readhuh Read back....


I know how to read, you are just contradicting yourself.

on Dec 22nd, 2008, 08:48am, tomi01uk wrote:
No, I didn't "hire" them.
"we decided on Tom & Frank"


"We" means "you", along with others, decided on Tom and Frank. When you say "decided" that means you "chose" them, or "hired" them.

When I said this:
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I'm sure his radar went up because he thought the woman in London was a nut case, LOL. Milking the nut cases for money.


I deliberately planted that message to see who would get offended by it, because that would uncover who exactly the London woman was.

Since it offended you, that means you ARE the London woman who called the P.I.'s

Just making sure...

The P.I.'s claimed to be "hired" by that woman, am I correct?

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« Reply #439 on: Dec 22nd, 2008, 11:14am »

on Dec 22nd, 2008, 10:56am, DrStern wrote:
I'm not promoting anything..and even if I were, I sure would not promote it here...


You know, every time you post you have your website in your signature...

on Dec 22nd, 2008, 10:56am, DrStern wrote:
Why would you think I laid down substantial time trying to say that the science related to the "Drones" might be terrestrial, if I don't follow it up?

Give it a real hard thought..

Merry Christmas,

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Sorry, I actually don't know anything about your work.

I'm sure it's probably a rehash of a lot of Einstein's work.
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« Reply #440 on: Dec 22nd, 2008, 11:18am »

Another interesting tidbit.....The PI's didn't have a website until after hearing from Tomi. Their website was created in February of 2008. Only one month after being contacted by Tomi.

Domain Name.......... tkdavisinvestigations.com
Creation Date........ 2008-02-17
Registration Date.... 2008-02-17
Expiry Date.......... 2009-02-17
Organisation Name.... Todd Trayer
Organisation Address. P.O. Box 2602
Organisation Address.
Organisation Address. Saratoga
Organisation Address. 95070
Organisation Address. CA
Organisation Address. UNITED STATES
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« Reply #441 on: Dec 22nd, 2008, 11:19am »

on Dec 22nd, 2008, 11:05am, neveleeleven wrote:
I know how to read, you are just contradicting yourself.



"We" means "you", along with others, decided on Tom and Frank. When you say "decided" that means you "chose" them, or "hired" them.

When I said this:


I deliberately planted that message to see who would get offended by it, because that would uncover who exactly the London woman was.

Since it offended you, that means you ARE the London woman who called the P.I.'s

Just making sure...

The P.I.'s claimed to be "hired" by that woman, am I correct?



for crying out loud... where have you been for a year..
everyone knows I made contact with the PI's and the DRT (including myself) decided to "hire" them.
And no....... nobody is going to "out" the contributors who provided the warbucks to fund the investigation.

If those who funded the PI's want to some day let the world know that they spent their money on this research it's their business. But nobody had any hand in starting something like a hoax then paying PI's to investigate it... Does this make sense??

And I am in the same boat as you and everyone else in DRT and the ppl intrigued enough even support the PI's.... we want answers.. the PI's want answers.. we all want answers.. till then it continues.. you want to implicate the PI's in this, then you implicate me.. logic tells you that..

I'm just a normal as you put it.. over 42 years old female and I come from the states, I used to own a business over in the states and I shipped 25 dollar a liter cans of varnish to owners of log cabins in them there woods... what do you think they were growing .. turnips??

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« Reply #442 on: Dec 22nd, 2008, 11:22am »

on Dec 22nd, 2008, 11:14am, neveleeleven wrote:
You know, every time you post you have your website in your signature...



Sorry, I actually don't know anything about your work.

I'm sure it's probably a rehash of a lot of Einstein's work.


Oh..I do? Is it that what bothers you..you know what, I'll remove it and replace it with the DRT reference...as I'm sure that would please you more to ridicule...

So, no...sorry,

If you refer to Einstein, you need to look harder, as his work still is appreciated in the science world.

Dr. Stern


Ps: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/qt-entangle/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Dq454iFp2c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQe0oiaBssg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWXJUNkkKj0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5CMOZSXIzA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWyTxCsIXE4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfPeprQ7oGc
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« Reply #443 on: Dec 22nd, 2008, 11:27am »

The question, Tomi, is not about funding an investigation into the drones. The question is becoming whether or not the funding of the investigation is actually funding of a hoax. For example, do you and Lat have a history of interest in Ufology? I do. I was involved in the Serpo case at ATS. Got myself banned there for my troubles. That was 2005. Newcomers fresh to the scene showing only interest in the drones, forming groups related to the drones, throwing money at the drones, well, you see the complexity of that, right?

And when this same group refutes and denies all evidence of a hoax and continues to promote the drones as having a basis in reality, it appears that the "investigation" is not after the truth, but only promoting a hoax.

Why didn't TK Investigations feel the need for a website before the drone case? Did the funding they received pay for the new site? Were they told to create a site? And the site itself promotes the drones, and supplies links to LMH, UnknownCountry.com and Isaacaret.
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« Reply #444 on: Dec 22nd, 2008, 11:36am »

Another interesting find:

When you do a California PI License check on #22165
What turns up is the name "Davis Tommy Kent" from Saratoga.

However, on another section of CALI-PI it says this:

TOMMY 'T.K.' K. DAVIS | TK DAVIS INVESTIGATIONS
Saratoga, Ca 95070 (Santa Clara County)
Phone: 408-253-2402 - tom@8thday.com
License: PI22165

Interesting that the e-mail address is tom@8thday.com. So is the real name "TOMMY KENT DAVIS"?

8thday.com??

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http://www.8thday.com/
8th Day is a computer consulting firm that is run by Michael Fariss and has been serving the Silicon Valley since 1991.


8th Day specializes in the support of network and computer resources for schools in the bay area. Services include the setup of security and network systems. Such systems include transparent ubiquitous file access systems and messaging. These services are created through the use of carefully planned human interfaces and system infrastructure.


Hey look at the Resume:
http://www.8thday.com/resume/index.html

Graphic Arts?



TOMI?


Drones crashing and burning?
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« Reply #445 on: Dec 22nd, 2008, 12:06pm »

Also, tkdavisinvestigations.com, and 8thday.com are both registered from Yahoo.

They both are from Saratoga as well!
Registrant:
8thday
18983 Saratoga Glen Place
Saratoga, CA 95070
US

Domain Name: 8THDAY.COM

Administrative Contact:
michael@8thday.com
Fariss, Michael
Self
18983 Saratoga Glen Place
Saratoga, CA 95070
US
(408) 257-3524 fax: 999 999 9999

Nearly identical phone numbers as t.k. davis also...
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« Reply #446 on: Dec 22nd, 2008, 12:11pm »

Hmm, doing a search for "@8thday.com" returns this:


Palo Alto
Avenidas, 450 Bryant
Contact: Ellen Mastman, MA, CCC/A, FAAA
ellen@8thday.com
(408) 973-1352
Mon: 12:15 Adv; 1:45 Beg; 3:15 Int.
Thurs: 1:30 Post Adv.



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« Reply #447 on: Dec 22nd, 2008, 12:24pm »

Given that TK Davis used an email address @8thday, this implies he was computer savy enough to know about the internet and competent enough about computers and email. But no TKDavis Investigations website existed until after he is contacted by Tomi. Hmmmmmmmmm.....
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« Reply #448 on: Dec 22nd, 2008, 12:25pm »

on Dec 22nd, 2008, 11:27am, Jeddyhi wrote:
The question, Tomi, is not about funding an investigation into the drones. The question is becoming whether or not the funding of the investigation is actually funding of a hoax. For example, do you and Lat have a history of interest in Ufology? I do. I was involved in the Serpo case at ATS. Got myself banned there for my troubles. That was 2005. Newcomers fresh to the scene showing only interest in the drones, forming groups related to the drones, throwing money at the drones, well, you see the complexity of that, right?


There is enough to worry about in this drone case then to implicate Lat or myself in orchestrating it or perpetuating it. Which is ridiculous.. IMO

Seriously........ Seriously..... as intelligent as you are Jeddyhi... think about this logically...

The article I posted, the author gives details of the LAP and the work in it.. if created by hand he postulates it would have originated at the scale of 15 feet +....

Now.. you going to attibute that to me or Lat?? You have got to be joking... the amount of detail, work, expenditure and effort of numerous bodies if not groups of ppl with sophisticated machines beyond the scale of our home computers would have to have engineered this.. And you think one of them could be ushuh
NO... the DRT is just lucky to have enough resources provided to help figure it out..

Obviously, if I joined a ufo forum in 2004, then I must have an interest in the subject before the drones..
But what I think happened is that the drones reignited a lot of ppls interest that may have been put aside for the time being.. as in my case.

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And when this same group refutes and denies all evidence of a hoax and continues to promote the drones as having a basis in reality, it appears that the "investigation" is not after the truth, but only promoting a hoax.



Well, some ppl within the DRT have strong feelings it true. Others, like I said, are on the fence. Ppl's subjective appraisal of the evidence will evolve and when more facts are in the "reasonable man" principle will surely take over.

That is why I think peer review is very important here for everyone. Example being.. some may want to believe Chad, others need to state he lied. The truth maybe somewhere inbetween. If you were DRT, you would hardly think it was sensible jephordizing an investigation by postulating that "Chad Lied", thereby alienating those who maybe able to provide more information regarding Chad... So, its frustrating.. but the best posture, IMO, for DRT to take is a friendly pro or neutral one. There are enough ppl to hold the truth to the fire outside of DRT. DRT has the advantage to learn what it is first for us. So respectful regard of that delicate position would be the more "enlightened" approach IMO...

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Why didn't TK Investigations feel the need for a website before the drone case? Did the funding they received pay for the new site? Were they told to create a site? And the site itself promotes the drones, and supplies links to LMH, UnknownCountry.com and Isaacaret.


Well the PI's, as has been said before, feel that information is the key to discovery. And information comes from people. So the need for a website was impt if the publicity would happen. Publicity gets information, information comes via web presence.. Thats the simple cigar.. hope you enjoy smiley

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« Reply #449 on: Dec 22nd, 2008, 12:25pm »

on Dec 22nd, 2008, 07:09am, tomi01uk wrote:
However, I've never been there so don't start accusing me of either maijuana growing or setting some hoax senerio up tongue



Where did I accuse you of growing the marijuanahuh
If I accused you setting up a hoax scenario then you must be employed by FOX according to my posted scenario...YOU had nothing to do with the scenario that I posted.... smiley
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