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« Reply #480 on: Dec 22nd, 2008, 10:00pm »

Read my lips, Why don't YOU draw them ABC.
Let me bring you up to speed, they completed their analysis, months ago. they have answered every question before during and after. and yes one more time, for the hundredth time you, and the same cast come back with the same thing.
Since you haven't done an analysis , Draw a picture and study like they did , and as you think they are and should be and explain as they did.
Then, for evryones benefit, you all will be on the same page rather than coming here and taking cheap shots they don't know what they did.
I am sure you can think, and draw what you are talking about.
why don't you do that.
Just as Others are not obligated to answer a question...Then why should they answer yours.
Its how the game is played Collins said. And frankly. I like the idea of Marvin 11 11 or any of the anylysts not having to feel compelled to answer anymore. Their choice. In fact..I think that should shortcircuit this clever little circular game once and for all.

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« Reply #481 on: Dec 23rd, 2008, 06:31am »

on Dec 22nd, 2008, 9:26pm, ABCStore wrote:
Ok, one more time:

read my lips

stop drawing direction of sun rays in straight parallel lines!

EVEN POWER LINES IN THE PHOTOGRAPH ARE NOT PARALLEL TO EACH OTHER!

Draw a line parallel to any of the power wires in any image editor and move it around if you don't trust me.

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Whether or not the lines are drawn parallel, the fact remains that the pole and the drone have two distinct light sources. Curving the lines will not make that go away and it will not change the way the shadows fall.

I have yet to see anyone show that all shadows, on the drone and the pole, go back to a single light source.
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Mmm, yes, very curious, very interesting....


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« Reply #482 on: Dec 23rd, 2008, 10:46am »

This sums it up for me:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vuW6tQ0218

I feel like the guy returning the parrot... grin

Unless Drones like to kip on there back. wink
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« Reply #483 on: Dec 23rd, 2008, 2:10pm »

I agree, Marvin. The whole silly episode always ends up in Notlob.

The parrot is still dead, too.

I'm curious about something, though. Actually, it is something I find amusing, and I have not seen it mentioned anywhere else. Can anyone tell me who did the cgi work on the Raj photo the PIs were using in their attempt to find the utility pole? Whoever it was did an awfully nice job of making the drone image disappear without a trace. My point is this: here we have an obvious photoshop job, or something like that, which was done not to fool anyone really, but just to remove the bizarre looking "object" so local folks could look at the utility pole and its associated wires and such without being distracted. One would not expect any great expenditure of time or money on such a thing, since it only needed superficial camouflage, yet what we have could easily pass as one of the original photos, the landscapes that had the drone images dropped iinto them. Doesn't this blow a big hole in the argument that "the photos are too good to be fakes?"

My apologies if this has already been covered somewhere, but I don't think it has. Lord knows I don't want to contribute to some more of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppK6sxz6epk
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« Reply #484 on: Dec 23rd, 2008, 2:24pm »

The pole is CGI, but the drone is real
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« Reply #485 on: Dec 23rd, 2008, 2:53pm »

SMOKING GUN PROOF LATITUDE IS THE HOAXER!!!

Picture of Raj pole (Pic 16 i believe) with no drone uploaded by 10538 (aka Latitude/Numbers) on the DRT forum

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Now lets look at the exif data and take particular notice of the date the pic was taken

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Notice the date the pic was taken.

CASE CLOSED!!!

You're busted Numbers!
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« Reply #486 on: Dec 23rd, 2008, 3:47pm »

That is the time that PICT0016 was taken. I'm not sure how that implicates Lat but like Double Nought Spy, I would like to know how the drone was removed so precisely. EXIF data reveals that the image was edited with GIMP. I presume so that the PI's could show a photo of the pole without looking like kooks.

After a brief examination of the Poleinfo photo, I did not detect any remnants of the drone, nor signs of cloning to remove it. Whoever did it was very precise and dillegent in their work. Why they were so precise is the question. If it was just to make a photo to show around in an effort to find the pole, why remove the drone so perfectly.

It almost seems like a copy of the photo before the drone was layered in.

Can anyone here (Marvin lol) detect signs of the drones removal? I realize the pic was resized to 800x600 but would that hide all traces of editing?
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« Reply #487 on: Dec 23rd, 2008, 3:48pm »

Oh my god! Numbers is the hoaxer!!shockedshocked

Glad to see that TheShadow our "disinfo master piece" is come back!!cheesy

You need to learn how to read Exifs before making false assumptions....
Do you want a tutorial??

1- We needed at one point of our research, last June, the pict16 without the drone.
2- Onthefence removed it with GIMP 2.4.2
3- Numbers used it again for its study.

That's all.

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Edit for grammar and resizing picture.
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« Reply #488 on: Dec 23rd, 2008, 4:51pm »

!! we are in agreement, no wayyyyy that numbers could be the hoaxer, an acolyte devotee , or a facillitor to put politely.

But what puzzles me is, why did you not.. followup GafaMads excellent exif Analyses? Certainly he is no debunker, Though Lev the Known Liar accused him of that, nor Nekitamo who said possible multiple openings and computers.
http://droneteam.com/drt/index.php?topic=246.15
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Well, let me explain what I found.

First I have only worked with Raj photo.
Second, we have found that at least, the pictures where saved with Photoshop CS2 windows.

At this point, the only thing that we can say is that the photo were not directly taken from the memory card and put on the hard drive. It passed throw Photoshop.

But there is more... I found this simply by examinating the files with Notepad !

When you save a Picture under Photoshop, it gets two Id: An InstanceId, and a DocumentId (I will talk only about the DocumentId)

But when you are saving AGAIN your work, it also keep track of the last documentId from where it came frome. You can find those data after the DerivedFrom tag.

So let's see the story of a photo I took with my personnal camera:

-First photo taken from the Memory card: No Meta Data except the Exif data.
-Then I save this image with Photoshop: It gets a DocumentID. But NO DerivedFromcheesyocumentId
-Then I save it again with Photoshop: It gets a NEW DocumentID and it gets a DerivedFromcheesyocumentId ! And of course this last number is the same that the documentId where it came from.

Here is the results of test I have done:

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What's your opinion about all that ?

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« Reply #489 on: Dec 23rd, 2008, 5:02pm »

Lev, while at the DRT, made a habit of jumping on any research that may have pointed at hoax. Like a Guardian protecting (and prolonging) a hoax. He did the same thing here didn't he? grin
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« Reply #490 on: Dec 23rd, 2008, 5:03pm »

He GAFAMAD..goes further on to say after OTFs plausible explanation..
"Yes, it could be that. But don't forget (I have made some more test), the pictures must have been saved two times with:
-First time: Probably an adobe product.
-Second time: Photoshop CS2

I have try some test by saving the first time an original photo from my camera with a 'lambda' software, and then Photoshop, and there was no DerivedFrom Id. So, let's say the two products are photoshop:

Raj brother-in-law saved it with Photoshop
Raj received the mail and than saved it with Photoshop...

Well, for me it is no logic because I will only copy/paste the JPG file if I want to move it anywhere. But maybe Raj made those steps:
-He received the mail with attached pictures
-He saved the pictures
-He wanted them in another place, so he opened photoshop.
-He opened the Pictures with it
-He saved them in another location
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http://droneteam.com/drt/index.php?topic=246.15

Of course we know that he Told OMF Forums he had to travel bak to his Father inlaws, to get hi res pictures, odd, isn't it.which we know is not true, and odd as he is at a computer communicating..Maybe from work..with access to all..or he could not communicate with OMF, were already there in Flickr and accessible.
It would take him an hour or less travel I recall.
The evasion looks clear to me.
So he did not get them from email to himself.
So multiple openings and closings were in one spot, or one spot with multiple computers, and raj the newbie at all this, if truthful, would have had them right there with him, I would think.


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« Reply #491 on: Dec 23rd, 2008, 5:43pm »

Chad, Raj, Stephen, Ty all had signs of Adobe Photoshop in their photos. The Tahoe photos did not list Adobe Photoshop but did list compression signatures that match with GIMP, NeatImage and Paint.net as image editors.

I remember before the drones ever came out back when Photoshop was a nail in the coffin for a UFO pic. And these were usually obvious fakes and when the EXIF data showed photoshop, it sealed the deal. But now, since the drones came along, the photoshop tag means nothing..... Look how clear these pics are, look how sharp.....the photoshop tag is just from saving the image, not from altering it.....Yeah, right.

I miss the old days! I still don't think a UFO photo with a photoshop signature is valid unless it comes with some serious supporting evidence, testimony, and eyewitness authentication.

Lat and Eleven took some photos of the Chad site. And guess what, they didn't have a photoshop tag. No drone...no photoshop lol.



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« Reply #492 on: Dec 23rd, 2008, 5:52pm »

My favorite part of all that was the load of hooey about Raj's soon to be father-in-law, the engineer, who never deleted photos from his camera's memory card because he didn't know how. You know, the same guy who always downloaded that same camera with Photoshop CS. Or something a lot like that. Whoever performed on line as Raj did a good job of milking it for about all it was worth.
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« Reply #493 on: Dec 23rd, 2008, 5:58pm »

Thats an excellent point Jeddyhi..

It would be interesting to know of the hundreds pix that mufon has ichosen nvestigated, how many went thru cs2 and adobe..
maybe perhaps we should turn to our fearless leaders.
And for sure for sure Chad is real, after all, Nemo stated back on May 18, 2007..just after Raj released his..
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from Linda Moulton Howe, answering my few questions :
"I have not yet talked by phone with Chad, but he and I have exchanged about a dozen emails since May 14.
How would any of us know what the "real Chad" is if the only communication has been in emails with images?"
source openmindsforum.com

A Dozen!, not 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 a Dozen!
Surely Linda would never lie to us. Even if Raj is fake..why..Chad must be..he must..Real!
Why hasn't Nemo followed those emails up with Linda..She won't bite Him the 100% believer man..I am sure....

Hi Double, I agree.. I am having a gas going back in time..reviewing some of this stuff..I am not ashamed to say..the best stuff is coming from the founding fathers of DRT....smiley

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« Reply #494 on: Dec 23rd, 2008, 6:27pm »

From my own research, it appears that every drone photo from every photo witness has been through some version of Photoshop. The Tahoe photos show compression signatures of image editors.

The photos by themselves have never held water. When you factor in that all the photos come from anonymous sources and show signs of Photoshop, then they start to take on water. Finish with the fact that Chad lied about the sighting location and the whole case sinks. Expert testimony concluding hoaxed images are the sharks circling the wreckage.

But for some reason, some have a different outlook. An outlook where all the strange, weird aspects and coincedences of the drones are either explained away with gibberish or ignored completely. Like the idea of the drones being hoaxed is completely and utterly impossible and such thoughts should not be entertained.

I'm waiting for someone to say that C2C added the photoshop tags when processing them to their server. laugh
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