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« Reply #555 on: Dec 30th, 2008, 08:15am »

You are familiar with the concept of coincidence, I hope.

Are you trying to say a hoaxer would never think to locate a fictional laboratory in Palo Alto? Really? Please. This is yet another instance where some background in ufology would serve the DRT well.

Now about that photograph...
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« Reply #556 on: Dec 30th, 2008, 08:50am »

on Dec 30th, 2008, 08:15am, Double Nought Spy wrote:
You are familiar with the concept of coincidence, I hope.


Yes, of course.. I know the concept of coincidence...

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If there is some real connection to the mythical lab, then what is it? Or is this just more smoke?


Bingo... ! That's the kicker.. It is not only the ppl who grew up in the afluence of Palo Alto back then and had parents wispering about this kind of thing..

There is also an old timer known as Source X who provided first hand accounts of a facility described by Isaac and also identified the drones in his own words as.. octopus type parts. Now is this coincidence??

You know that the PI's are liscensed to uphold integrity in their work. They have a very long professional standing. They would hardly fabricate any of this source X info or use someone not vetted by them for the information. They are professional cops to put it bluntly, now working as detectives.. within a network that keeps integrity within their ranks as the highest priority.

Add to that, what the DRT also reported.. that the PI's found through further investigation that certain buildings within the Palo Alto area are off limits, no blueprints available about them and not to be entered or saved by firemen..

Now... where do we draw the line on coincidence??
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« Reply #557 on: Dec 30th, 2008, 09:03am »

So that's it? The revelations that can't be ignored by responsible people? Yet another anonymous expert? Have you done any reading about the UFO subject at all? The fact that you know someone who grew up in Palo Alto informs your whole idea of this place.

See my revised message above.
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« Reply #558 on: Dec 30th, 2008, 09:03am »

Did anyone catch a UFO program last week that dealt with the United States attempts to build circular aircraft? I saw MAYBE the last 15 minutes of it. The reason I bring this up is they showed a photo of what appeared to be a doughnut or what looked very similar to the core of the drone. I don't know IF the two are related but I found it interesting. I've always thought IF the drone was real then it was MAN MADE not alien!

If its alien then its their version of the Edsel! laugh Personally I still believe its a hoax. But if it's a hoax why keep it up? I don't see anything else to be gained! I also don't see a problem with the DRT doing research. You don't have to agree with their findings nor do you have to support them. IF they're part of the hoax then at some point that will come out. But I don't quite understand why most want to use them for verbal punching bags. UNLESS you're too lazy to do your own research.

DEBATE THEIR FINDINGS! QUESTION THEIR INTENTIONS! BUT STOP WITH THE PERSONAL JABS! IT GETS OLD AND APPEARS CHILDISH for those of us who are only slightly interested in this subject.

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« Reply #559 on: Dec 30th, 2008, 09:12am »

The DRT serves the hoaxers. Whether it is intentional or not, whether the hoaxers have purposely manipulated them or not, they serve the hoaxers. Some of us are trying to find the culprits. The DRT does provide us with some useful information, even when they try to blow smoke and cover up their lies. That is why we engage them. It is certainly not because we like their brand of BS.
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« Reply #560 on: Dec 30th, 2008, 09:48am »

on Dec 30th, 2008, 09:12am, Double Nought Spy wrote:
The DRT serves the hoaxers. Whether it is intentional or not, whether the hoaxers have purposely manipulated them or not, they serve the hoaxers. Some of us are trying to find the culprits. The DRT does provide us with some useful information, even when they try to blow smoke and cover up their lies. That is why we engage them. It is certainly not because we like their brand of BS.


I've always considered LMH to be the biggest culprit since she was not forthcoming with information early on. I think she's only involved in UFOlogy for one reason. HOWE to make money! However DNS I would agree with you that I would like to see all the findings by the DRT even the BS so we all could look for discrepancies. But I don't consider them(DRT) the enemy. They hoaxers may be playing them but I'd like to be able to reach my own conclusions after reviewing the evidence. What about it DRT?
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« Reply #561 on: Dec 30th, 2008, 10:05am »

on Dec 30th, 2008, 09:03am, Double Nought Spy wrote:
So that's it? The revelations that can't be ignored by responsible people? Yet another anonymous expert? Have you done any reading about the UFO subject at all? The fact that you know someone who grew up in Palo Alto informs your whole idea of this place.

See my revised message above.


Ahh hah!.... I was waiting for you to answer me (now I sound like 1111 smiley) so flippantly.. Caught you ! grin

How can you possibly consider yourself a ufo researcher and dismiss the information I have reinterated here that the DRT has provided to you?

Now, the easy way out is to say that everything I have said here is phony and I'm a phony and the DRT is not in earnest to figure this out...

That is the easy answer, or a web of disinfo by calling those in earnest disinfo.. Hardly a top calibre way of researching something is it??

And like I have said to 1111, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.. if you muddle up the wheat with the chaff you are truly lost in figuring out the truth in this case.

Let me make it easy for you to take the right path and help productively... I am being completely honest here with everything I have said that constitutes what is the reasoning for considering the aspects of this case.

If you want to muddle up my personal integrity into this, your judgement is already handicapped and you have no hope of figuring it out. I am being honest in what we have learned.

When ppl ask for more information, if they can't digest the info already provided because of lack of trust.. what good does it do to provide more? If you can't accept and properly analyse these discoveries about the case.. how in hell can you even begin to figure out the rest of this?
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« Reply #562 on: Dec 30th, 2008, 10:10am »

Not everyone shares your assumptions, let alone agreeing with your analysis. That's as politely as I can put it. If you find these revelations compelling, well, again that tells us something.

Now about that photograph. Is it possible to establish a chain of custody?
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« Reply #563 on: Dec 30th, 2008, 10:16am »

Hi Gforce,

Thanks for bringing some civility to this thread. I hesitate to post here because it's often like a jungle with barbs and accusations and all kinds of nastiness.

The truth is that DRT came together because we shared a common mindset that we were not satisfied with what we considered a premature hoax conclusion. We sought to find out more. We have never lied to anybody. We report what we find in an unbiased way. Sure, we do often speculate about the what if it's all true. I think that is only natural given the fantastic nature of the subject. But we also have our skeptical side and for that reason we never said for sure the drones are real (even though the hoax side was absolutely certain). There was always that small doubt in the back of my mind. Anything is possible even though the entirety of the case made me ask the question, "if it is a hoax, why would somebody go to this extreme?"

The PIs which were employed by DRT, have always been impartial and not being UFO people have since day one kept an extremely open mind to the possibility of hoax. I'm glad they did because we wanted to make sure they did not overlook anything.

When we visited the Chad location, sure I was thinking a hoaxer would be even less likely to go down into the private property to take pictures. But at the same time I was thinking maybe we might stumble onto a hoax perpetrated by one of the inhabitants. It goes both ways.

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« Reply #564 on: Dec 30th, 2008, 10:22am »

on Dec 30th, 2008, 10:10am, Double Nought Spy wrote:
Not everyone shares your assumptions,


What assumptions? I haven't made any assumptions.
I am not the one who has a label for this case, am I??

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let alone agreeing with your analysis.



What analysis? I haven't made any analysis, label or conclusion. All I've done is reinterate why a conclusion at this point is hard to draw...

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If you find these revelations compelling, well, again that tells us something.



Exactly what does it tell you? That I trust my own reasoning, eyes and ears?? Pray tell??

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Now about that photograph. Is it possible to establish a chain of custody?


Let's see if I've got this right? You think that it is important for an edited picture, to be analysed to prove that it is edited? If you guys are so great look for the artifacts yourselves. They should be easy to find..

You take a few sky pixels and you put them where the drone used to be.. What you want DRT to do that for you too?


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« Reply #565 on: Dec 30th, 2008, 10:27am »

Have you looked closely at that picture? Maybe you should. It might also be a good idea to avoid making assumptions about what others have or have not done.
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« Reply #566 on: Dec 30th, 2008, 10:30am »

on Dec 30th, 2008, 10:27am, Double Nought Spy wrote:
Have you looked closely at that picture? Maybe you should. It might also be a good idea to avoid making assumptions about what others have or have not done.


Why don't you post the picture with what you suspect are real pixels where a drone should be...

oy vey... does this get ridiculous or what .. tongue
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« Reply #567 on: Dec 30th, 2008, 10:38am »

on Dec 30th, 2008, 09:48am, GForce wrote:
I've always considered LMH to be the biggest culprit since she was not forthcoming with information early on. I think she's only involved in UFOlogy for one reason. HOWE to make money! However DNS I would agree with you that I would like to see all the findings by the DRT even the BS so we all could look for discrepancies. But I don't consider them(DRT) the enemy. They hoaxers may be playing them but I'd like to be able to reach my own conclusions after reviewing the evidence. What about it DRT?


Therein lies the problem, GForce. The DRT only seems to be interested in keeping the hoax going. If the DRT did not exist, the drones would have faded into oblivion long ago.

All the cloak and dagger stuff with 'Source X', the second hand heresay testimony, the friend of a friend said this, it does nothing but add fluff to a hoax.

I , or any other observer of the drone case, must weigh logical expert analysis of the photos against anonymous, secretive sources that would have us believe in the concept of "Rigid Spatial Relationship", of anti-gravity devices controlled by a self executing "language" that acts as software and hardware. That a guy named Isaac commited espionage over 20 years ago and just happened to catch the tale on the internet and decided to explain the drones with his material he has held in limbo for 2 decades.

When weighing these facts to come to any reasonable conclusion, one must also acknowledge that every witness who submitted a photo has not been found, has not been vetted, has not been interviewed, has not helped or participated in any investigation. Surely someone around the infamous Chad location would have surely known Chad and his wife. They hiked around the area all the time. They were able to trod about "dangerous and scary places" without fear. Yet no testimony has surfaced that even hints to Chad even existing in the first place.

The DRT, however hopeful they may be, attempts to keep the hoax going by playing cloak and dagger games, blowing smoke, ignoring serious questions, and trying to hype the case into something more than a hoax.

There is not one photo expert, CGI expert, or special effects expert who is willing to endorse these drone photos as credible. There is not one photo witness who has been vetted. There is no indication that the drone sightings even took place. No documentation at all. The icing on the cake is that Chad has been shown to have lied about his sighting location.

I know the drone case is a hoax. I have seen enough and researched the case long enough to come to this decision based on the circumstances surrounding the drones. My only other current interest pertains to why the DRT evolved into a "deny hoax at all costs" group, when the evidence surely points to hoax. Why does the DRT endorse a case so full of holes has having any legitimacy when there is no logical reason to do so. That is the burning question for me. Real cases including mass sightings with multiple vetted witnesses are ignored. Video tape footage from multiple angles are scoffed at by Lat for being just blurry lights. Their only interest is in the drones. It almost seems like the DRT are the caretakers of a dis-info story designed to distract and pre-occupy the arm chair ufologist. Either that or the DRT is a very gullible group that does not need nor care for real evidence.
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« Reply #568 on: Dec 30th, 2008, 10:52am »

on Dec 30th, 2008, 10:38am, Jeddyhi wrote:
Therein lies the problem, GForce. The DRT only seems to be interested in keeping the hoax going. If the DRT did not exist, the drones would have faded into oblivion long ago.

Either that or the DRT is a very gullible group that does not need nor care for real evidence.


Speaking personally I have to disagree with you. Had it not been for the DRT, there would be far less information available. You are assuming (projecting?) how others regard the drone case. I doubt Droneteam.com had anything at all to do with the iconic nature of the drone saga being used by Alienware or SCC.

Next item... who is gullible? Gullible isn't the word for it.
for instance: discreet is a better word. Reporters need to be discreet. Researchers too. PI's especially.

edit: my spelling !!
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« Reply #569 on: Dec 30th, 2008, 10:54am »

Lat, on a personal note I would like to see all the information come forward. Not only from the DRT but others as well. It would be nice to see a thread with all the evidence that's out there to question and debate instead of all the back biting, name calling etc. I understand the anger from those that are anti-drone/hoax group. Before I washed my hands of it(drone) I was ticked that people in the know sat on information. If you guys(DRT) want to discuss your findings and answer questions on a new thread I will make sure there's no personal attacks on you guys. However that excludes members asking questions even tough questions on your findings. But if a post gets personal I will delete it! I THINK WE ALL ONLY WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH! AT LEAST I DO! Dan
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