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« Reply #570 on: Dec 30th, 2008, 11:06am »

on Dec 30th, 2008, 10:38am, Jeddyhi wrote:
They were able to trod about "dangerous and scary places" without fear.


Who the heck are you quoting, Jed? Certainly cannot be 11august or I. Yes, we were set upon by dogs while there. That did happen. We were given the stink eye while traipsing around. We were in effect trespassers. We never distorted any of that and I take offense at you suggesting it. You try to attack us but until you yourself have walked down there your words are nothing. What have you done for this investigation but sit behind your keyboard and cast aspersions? The DRT has put money and time into getting answers.

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« Reply #571 on: Dec 30th, 2008, 11:07am »

on Dec 30th, 2008, 10:38am, Jeddyhi wrote:
Therein lies the problem, GForce. The DRT only seems to be interested in keeping the hoax going. If the DRT did not exist, the drones would have faded into oblivion long ago.

The DRT, however hopeful they may be, attempts to keep the hoax going by playing cloak and dagger games, blowing smoke, ignoring serious questions, and trying to hype the case into something more than a hoax.



Jeddyhi I would agree with you that the DRT has kept the drone going! But isn't that THEIR rights to do so? Maybe it is all a hoax. Maybe they're part of it in some way. But we'll never know unless ALL the information comes out. I've been skeptical of Issac and the Caret documents from the onset. That could very well be a hoax! My gut tells me at least some of it is. I also agree there's a lot of BS floating around but I also think there's an iota of truth to it somewhere. That IOTA is what I'm interested in. I don't think all the photo's nor all of the witnesses are hoaxed/hoaxers. Some surely are! Others?
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« Reply #572 on: Dec 30th, 2008, 11:09am »

on Dec 29th, 2008, 6:49pm, Double Nought Spy wrote:
You flatter yourself. We are not "all still here" because the drone episode represents anything extraordinary in itself, or because there is any chance the drones exist outside some contrived images (there is none), or even because we feel some need to educate a dozen or so hard core believers who are as obstinate as they are irrational. I can only speak for myself, but I don't care what you choose to believe or why. Since the drones are fake, there are thousands, yes thousands, of more interesting cases to explore.

The ARC keeps (in a spontaneous rotation) a few people on the case because the Internet has become a very powerful tool for those who would deceive, and while the drones have been shown to be a hoax, we hope to take the truth to another level and expose the people responsible. Most observers have figured that out, which is why we don't get very many people stopping by at ATS to heckle us about the thread still being active. Anyone with a few synapses still firing knows ufology has serious credibility issues. The drone hoax has helped to make us all look like idiots to the people who need to pay attention to the truth. Whether that was all or part of the motivation for the hoax or not, it has served to keep ufology way out on the lunatic fringe as far as most real scientists are concerned. The more you cling publicly to the idea that this was anything but a fiasco and a dumbing-down of the discourse in the field, the more foolish you look and the more damage you do to what you pretend to care about. You are not helping ufology, but rather damaging it.




Well you hit the nail on the head; some of these people are laughing their heads off as we go into every finite detail on CGI aspects of the drone. Probably just some kids in one of those schools for graphic arts and design. You know the type, body piercing, pink, spiked hairdos. The rich parents send them there to get them out of their hair, they teach them CGI and then with nothing better to do they pick a field that's ripe for the taking.

Quite frankly there will never be disclosure, the average public thinks that only crazy people are involved with UFOs and for the most part I'm beginning to think that's true.

Here you can claim anything, my trip to Venus were they forced me to have wild wanton sex with these female Venusians to help repopulate their planet.

That's what's unique about these UFO bulletin boards. Anyone can claim anything and they seem to attract mostly crazy people with their wild stories about abduction and telecommunications with extraterrestrials. Don't misunderstand me I'm sure that some have these experiences, but in all probability they are not going to be on the Internet bragging about it.

Just look at that Mufon bulletin board for example. Talk about hypocrisy. There are more crazy people on that board spewing their alien adventures, no wonder anybody in their right mind would think that the topic belongs in the fringe. And yet mufon goes on TV talking about an objective and scientific approach to the topic of UFOlogy.

These forum members even talk about the medications they’re on. One repeat abductee in particular, talks about waking up with sore genitals. Then latter on she describes how her teenage sons jump into bed with her when they are frightened by UFOs. Now you don’t have to be Einstein to think, “What is wrong with this picture”? Others are in telecommunication at all times with aliens, and others describe a lifetime association with aliens at a closed military base in San Francisco. Then they talk about 4th degree depinoids, etc. Hell, with all these ambassadors we should just ask them what the drones are used for.


Others think that their DNA has been altered by the aliens, and it just goes on and on and on. Anybody with a rational mind even if they believed in ET would have to ask what is going on with these bulletin boards.

As gravity seems to be a universal force, UFO bulletin boards likewise attract crazy people far greater than any force in the universe. I never knew there were so many crazy people!

So it's no surprise that a few of these types are going to hold out for the drones. Some will even latch on to a blotch on a photograph.

Disclosure, not any time soon.
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« Reply #573 on: Dec 30th, 2008, 11:11am »

Here is a simple basic question pertaining to the drone case and whether or not it is a "real" sighting. Lets see how this is answered.....

Isaac felt most confident in that he could only be wittled down to about one of 40 or 50 people. So confident that he had no problems sharing stolen material that he came into possesion of while committing espionage. Photos, diagrams, and his personal assessment were willingly shared via the FortuneCity website. C2C has an email address for Isaac. I believe somebody spoke to him on the phone......everyone still with me here?

The question is why would Isaac incriminate himself when any government alphabet agency could find his personal information simply by contacting FortuneCity for the info of the creator of the site? Or by contacting C2C for email headers? We, the common armchair investigator have no way to access that information without a court order, but the people that would be most interested in finding Isaac could easily have him in a noose. Why did Isaac ignore that fact and upload supposedly stolen government secrets like he had no fear of being found? That is how a hoaxer would act, not a government insider guilty of espionage.

OK, lets here the excuses and reasons for Isaac's stupidity.
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« Reply #574 on: Dec 30th, 2008, 11:25am »

on Dec 30th, 2008, 11:06am, Latitude wrote:
Who the heck are you quoting, Jed? Certainly cannot be 11august or I. Yes, we were set upon by dogs while there. That did happen. We were given the stink eye while traipsing around. We were in effect trespassers. We never distorted any of that and I take offense at you suggesting it. You try to attack us but until you yourself have walked down there your words are nothing. What have you done for this investigation but sit behind your keyboard and cast aspersions? The DRT has put money and time into getting answers.



On to the point of rehashing your words....If Chad was hiking around there all the time, somebody knew him and allowed him to be there. Yet no one has even confirmed Chad even exists. No neighbors, scary or not, have said that they know or remember Chad and is wife. You guys were right there at the location, for Pete's sake, and you couldn't find one shred of proof that Chad's story is true.

You wouldn't even acknowledge the possibility that a hoaxer Chad could have easily pulled into the Restaurant parking lot and walked down a paved pathway to snap a few landscape pics and left without hiking, without being a resident, without "trespassing",
without attracting attention to hmself. That would surely explain why no one in the area knew of him. But that kind of stuff is ignored, while stories of danger and marijuana growers run rampant.
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« Reply #575 on: Dec 30th, 2008, 11:26am »

Great question Jeddyhi! Especially since the government can track an IP or phone records without anyone knowing it. Issac if he existed WOULD have known that as well. That was one of the reasons I doubted Issac and the Caret documents. However what IF Issac had died and left the documents to some friend or family member. They might not know they were about to feel the weight of Uncle Sam or know they were commiting espionage. I don't see any ex-government employee being so stupid!
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« Reply #576 on: Dec 30th, 2008, 11:28am »

Hey Gort,

Man, I know what you mean about that Mufon board. I can barely stomach a steady diet of the relatively sane boards that I frequent, and I stopped looking at the Mufon thing shortly after I started. It is sad. It boggles my mind that there seem to be two Mufons. I have never been a huge fan of the main body, but at least they do real investigations and they have standards for evidence and testimony. The Internet has none of that. That would spoil all the fun!

This sorry drone mess has only made me more skeptical, which is probably good. I have had my own sightings and experiences, and I was not desperate to believe before that, so I know there is something very interesting going on. For a hoaxer, the Internet provides the proverbial fish in a barrel, free for the shooting. It does little for one's hope for humanity. If we can nail the bastards behind this bad joke, maybe that will help.
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« Reply #577 on: Dec 30th, 2008, 11:29am »

on Dec 30th, 2008, 11:11am, Jeddyhi wrote:
Here is a simple basic question pertaining to the drone case and whether or not it is a "real" sighting. Lets see how this is answered.....

Isaac felt most confident in that he could only be wittled down to about one of 40 or 50 people. So confident that he had no problems sharing stolen material that he came into possesion of while committing espionage. Photos, diagrams, and his personal assessment were willingly shared via the FortuneCity website. C2C has an email address for Isaac. I believe somebody spoke to him on the phone......everyone still with me here?

The question is why would Isaac incriminate himself when any government alphabet agency could find his personal information simply by contacting FortuneCity for the info of the creator of the site? Or by contacting C2C for email headers? We, the common armchair investigator have no way to access that information without a court order, but the people that would be most interested in finding Isaac could easily have him in a noose. Why did Isaac ignore that fact and upload supposedly stolen government secrets like he had no fear of being found? That is how a hoaxer would act, not a government insider guilty of espionage.

OK, lets here the excuses and reasons for Isaac's stupidity.


This is what I love about the platform of serious debate about the issues here. This is another one of your valuable questions. A good one. I could only speculate on the answer myself that's for sure..
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« Reply #578 on: Dec 30th, 2008, 11:33am »

on Dec 30th, 2008, 11:25am, Jeddyhi wrote:
Are you trying to deny that you considered the place dangerous and scary? Scary and dangerous with marijuana growers were in the area? That no hoaxer in their right mind would even attempt to take a photo from that area? Your words are over at the OM forum. I can copy and paste them for you if needed.


Please do copy and paste. You (and everyone else) will see how you are falsely accusing me. I may have said that I found it more unlikely that a hoaxer walked down there to take his hoax pictures. But that's all. That's my opinion. Why am I not allowed to have one?

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« Reply #579 on: Dec 30th, 2008, 11:35am »

on Dec 30th, 2008, 11:26am, GForce wrote:
Great question Jeddyhi! Especially since the government can track an IP or phone records without anyone knowing it. Issac if he existed WOULD have known that as well. That was one of the reasons I doubted Issac and the Caret documents. However what IF Issac had died and left the documents to some friend or family member. They might not know they were about to feel the weight of Uncle Sam or know they were commiting espionage. I don't see any ex-government employee being so stupid!


If I were Isaac (And I'm not, so don't get suspicious grin)
I would go to an internet cafe and pay cash each time I posted something on the internet. I would use various internet cafes encompassing a wide area.
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« Reply #580 on: Dec 30th, 2008, 11:39am »

If Isaac were real, he would never have communicated with C2C or LMH more than once. Even Agent 86 could have handled that assignment!
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« Reply #581 on: Dec 30th, 2008, 11:49am »

on Dec 30th, 2008, 11:33am, Latitude wrote:
Please do copy and paste. You (and everyone else) will see how you are falsely accusing me. I may have said that I found it more unlikely that a hoaxer walked down there to take his hoax pictures. But that's all. That's my opinion. Why am I not allowed to have one?



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« Reply #582 on: Dec 30th, 2008, 11:51am »

on Dec 30th, 2008, 11:11am, Jeddyhi wrote:
The question is why would Isaac incriminate himself when any government alphabet agency could find his personal information simply by contacting FortuneCity for the info of the creator of the site? Or by contacting C2C for email headers? We, the common armchair investigator have no way to access that information without a court order, but the people that would be most interested in finding Isaac could easily have him in a noose. Why did Isaac ignore that fact and upload supposedly stolen government secrets like he had no fear of being found? That is how a hoaxer would act, not a government insider guilty of espionage.

It’s sheer ludicrousness of Isaac to claim that he couldn't be traced, period.

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• I should be clear before I begin, as a final note: I am not interested in making myself vulnerable to the consequences of betraying the trust of my superiors and will not divulge any personal information that could determine my identity.

• However my intent is not to deceive, so information that I think is too risky to share will be simply left out rather than obfuscated in some way (aside from my alias, which I freely admit is not my real name).

• I would estimate that with the information contained in this letter, I could be narrowed down to one of maybe 30-50 people at best, so I feel reasonably secure.

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I've taken the proper steps to ensure a reasonable level of anonymity and am quite secure in the fact that the information I've so far provided is by no means unique among many of the CARET participants.

Let's have a brief look at just how unique this information actually was.

Isaac said before the DoD he did:

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• Graduate and post-graduate work at university in electrical engineering.”

• My background lent itself well to this kind of work though. I'd spent years writing code and designing both analog and digital circuits.”

• (Before taking a) Scenic route through the tech industry and worked for the kinds of companies you would expect, until I was offered a job at the Department of Defense

So it's fairly easy to ascertain so far the areas in which he worked, what his grad work was, what his areas of expertise are and the fact that he was offered a job at the DoD.

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My time at the DoD was mostly uneventful but I was there for quite a while. I apparently proved myself to be reasonably intelligent and loyal. By 1984 these qualities along with my technical background made me a likely candidate for a new program they were recruiting for called ‘CARET’.

A NEW programme, further reinforced by the statement:

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So, in 1984, the CARET program was created.

And the following text tells us that there were 30+ others recruited at the same time from the DoD, as we know it was at the inception of the CARET programme we know where he worked prior, what his speciality was, when he was hired, where he was recruited from and that he was part of a batch of at least 30 others.

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My time at the DoD was a major factor behind why I was chosen, and in fact about 30+ others who were hired around the same time had also been at the Department about as long, but this was not the case for everyone. A couple of my co-workers were plucked right from places like IBM and, at least two of them came from XPARC itself.

Still, perhaps he's safe as he could have worked anywhere at PACL, right?

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I worked with these symbols more than anything during my time at PACL, and recognized them the moment I saw them in the photos.

Just in case we missed it:

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A running joke among the linguistics team was that Big-O notation couldn't adequately describe the scale of the task, so we'd substitute other words for "big". By the time I left I remember the consensus was "Astronomical-O" finally did it justice.

“LINGUISTICS TEAM” & “WE'D SUBSTITUTE”

So now we know specifically which ‘team' he worked for at PACL and what he worked with more than anything else.

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I also had a personal affinity for combinatorics, which served me well as I helped with the design of software running on supercomputers that could juggle the often trillions of rules necessary to create a valid diagram of any reasonable complexity. This overlapped quite a bit with compiler theory as well

So we know he helped create the software capable of disseminating the diagrams.

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I worked at PACL from 1984 to 1987, by which time I was utterly burned out. I left somewhere in the middle of a 3-month bell curve in which about a quarter of the entire PACL staff left for similar reasons

Somewhere in the middle” is a strange choice of words as surely, 3 months = 12 weeks, the middle of which is 6 weeks so let's assume that, “somewhere in the middle” is 5 to 7 weeks in the middle of this curve when they lost a quarter of their (approx) 200 staff as Isaac stated when he wrote:

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Inside, we had everything we needed. State of the art hardware and a staff of over 200 computer scientists, electrical engineers, mechanical engineers, physicists and mathematicians. Most of us were civilians, as I've said, but some were military, and a few of them had been working on this technology already.

He worked there for 3 years and X amount of months, if someone were trying to trace Isaac then the quarter of staff who left at within the 3 month bell curve' would make this easy to pinpoint.

So they'd know when he started and when he left.

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So, about 3 months before I resigned (which was about 8 months before I was really out, since you don't just walk out of a job like that with a 2 week notice). I decided to start taking advantage of my position. As I mentioned earlier, my DoD experience got me into an internal management role sooner than some of my colleagues, and after about a year of that kind of status, the outgoing searches each night became slightly less rigorous.

This tells us that he was in a management position for at least a year BEFORE he handed his notice in which was 8 months before he left.

So let's work on the average and give Isaac 6 months of the year he left (1987) and say he started in June 1984 (when in actual fact it could have been anywhere up from January to December 1984).

So June '84 to June '87 = 3 years.

Isaac felt comfortable stealing the documents 3 months before tendering his resignation which in turn was 8 months before he actually left.

So if it was June '87 then Isaac handed his notice in around Oct '86.

3 months PRIOR to this Isaac felt comfortable stealing documentation, which is June '86.

Before he felt comfortable he had to have been in management AT LEAST a year.

Which means he was promoted to management at the absolute latest in June '85.


Which means we now know:

• What his graduate and post-graduate work involved.

• Specifically what his specialities and area of work was prior to joining the DoD.

• He worked at the DoD quite a while before being recruited by PACL.

• He was one of approximately 30 people recruited from the DoD at the same time.

• This was at the inception of PACL.

• He was employed for his skills as an electrical engineer.

• He was part of the PACL, “Linguistic team”.

• He helped create the software capable of disseminating the diagrams.

• He was promoted to management within (and at most) 18 months.

• He tended his resignation 8 months before being allowed out.

• He left around June '87 which is irrelevant as if access to employment records was possible then it can be pinpointed EXACTLY when he resigned as he left, “Somewhere in the middle of a 3-month bell curve” (which seen a quarter of 200 employees leave).

Surely when you're working with a base set of approximately 30 people, when you have complete access to ALL employee's records and you factor the above variables into the equation then it MUST be possible to narrow the identity of Isaac down to at MOST a couple of employees and very likely down to just the one who fulfils all of the above criteria?

The only possible discrepancies in what I detail above are firstly that he left in June '87. This could have been anywhere between Jan & Dec '87 so is averaged out, however with access to records and the fact we know that Isaac left in the middle of a three month bell curve in 1987 which saw a quarter of the approximately 200 staff leave then we could isolate specific candidates from the employees with great ease.

And secondly Isaac could have began his tenure at any point in '84 (rather than June) in which case I believe that the same rationale as in the first instance above can safely be applied and so by averaging it out it could be a couple of months earlier or later. But also remember that employee records would show when the group of 30+ that Isaac enlisted with as it was at the inception of CARET. So coupled with the 'bell curve' of people leaving CARET then in the real world this would lead to this margin of error being removed.

My only point was to show what I personally could deduce from the word of Isaac alone, and without the employee history then I can still narrow the parameters down significantly. This is as well as gleaning a fair idea of his previous employment history and also defining peaks in a collective employee history that would betray specific names & dates, that's not a bad assessment considering that's working with JUST the word of Isaac.

So as I mention above if anyone had access to the employee records then it is a simple process of elimination to pinpoint EXACTLY who Isaac was.
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« Reply #583 on: Dec 30th, 2008, 12:07pm »

on Dec 30th, 2008, 11:33am, Latitude wrote:
Please do copy and paste. You (and everyone else) will see how you are falsely accusing me. I may have said that I found it more unlikely that a hoaxer walked down there to take his hoax pictures. But that's all. That's my opinion. Why am I not allowed to have one?


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"Not so easy for these photos. One glaring difference of the Chad location is it is on private property. Having been to the exact spots of these photos (within a foot or two) I can tell you that you don't simply go wandering around down there. If you do, you are asking for trouble. We were only allowed on this area because we were given special permission and escorted. When we strayed beyond the restrictions we were immediately set upon by large dogs and were made to feel very unwanted.

So you need to ask yourself, of all the public locations to choose from why does a hoaxer take chances like this? It makes little sense for a hoaxer to use this location for photos. Then while there I looked around the horizon and noticed on the mountain top a military looking installation of towers and radar domes. Who knows?"

Source: Open Minds Forum

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Have you been paying any attention at all? I have posted many times that you don't simply pull over and take these pics. You must walk down onto private property and take a risk.

Source: Open Minds Forum


You "imply" how scary it is. The risk one must take because of the danger. The risk a hoaxer would take. But an authentic Chad took no risk. If he actually lives there he would be known by the owners of the scary dogs. But no one confirmed that Chad exists, did they? I won't bother posting the references to marijuana growers in the area that could increase the "danger".

Logic seems to take a back seat while blowing smoke drives the car. It has been like this since the beginning of the investigation.

Even when it turned out that the drone would have been hanging around a restaurant on a busy highway, (a restaurant and highway that Chad never mentioned, mind you), that was ignored and whitewashed.
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« Reply #584 on: Dec 30th, 2008, 12:13pm »

Really good analysis DrDil. smiley

Would they pin point him down? And who is "they" after all this time?

Funny your words from Isaac you pasted struck me just now.. probably complete serrendippity..

"(Before taking a) Scenic route through the tech industry and worked for the kinds of companies you would expect, until I was offered a job at the Department of Defense"

Seems to me this is the drone saga... scenic route ending up at some MIL connection...
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