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« Reply #705 on: Jan 1st, 2009, 9:16pm »

on Jan 1st, 2009, 9:10pm, DrStern wrote:
There is a name for you, Admiral Spy, you know...

Guessing game is fun...you idiots will never figure this out!

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You wanted the nonsense to end. You demanded the posts be removed....and when you get your way you come back to call names and start more garbage......apparently in all your years of studies to get your impressive degrees you never learned to act like an adult....NICE!!!!
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« Reply #706 on: Jan 1st, 2009, 9:22pm »

Come on gentlemen!

I realize that passions run deep, but this does either side little good.

We should stick to the facts, or the absence of such, and leave personalities out of it.
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« Reply #707 on: Jan 1st, 2009, 9:46pm »

Double, I am on my keyboard dying over here cheesy
Hahaha I knew the Department of the Navy was involved!!
God sakes..Don't let Tomi see that Title, she already thinks you are a "spook"
By the way ,That mustache looks Fabulous..
I see Dr. Hornblower left, so todays Barium Enema and rectal Surgery is called off.

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« Reply #708 on: Jan 1st, 2009, 9:59pm »

Yeah, I was feeling a little, you know, intimidated, so I thought I'd see about getting myself a promotion. It's not like I'm the first person to inflate his resume...

I don't know if the Chief will approve, but I think I still have that Polaroid of him with Tricia Nixon around here somewhere. As long as he thinks I still have it, then everything should be fine. Man, she was hot!
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« Reply #709 on: Jan 1st, 2009, 10:18pm »

I wonder, if moderators really enjoy seeing all these off-topic posts and personal attacks going on here?..

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« Reply #710 on: Jan 1st, 2009, 11:03pm »

ABC we now have a dedicated threaad just for what you are looking for. Knowing how concerned many, I mean a few, are on proving the drone is real and not a hoax, you have opportunity to post your analysis and proof to that end.
Without bickering too. Straight facts and anaysis. critique can be done elsewhere. That way we can all discuss those findings here too. Its a wonderful opportunity for some genuine discussion and questions. Don't you think?. Of course you do.
http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=drone&num=1230850864&start=0#1230850864

Please take Advantage of it, Its only fair as The analysis by many here is already completed for the most part.
We don't want things so one sided either.
http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=drone&num=1230850864&start=0#1230850864
Finding whats behind the hoax is what this thread about, not pixel analysis that doesn't answer that bigger question. Thats why its important to post as much as you have found in a reasonable logical manner, without attacking analysts who have answered the same question hand over fist.
This is the other sides chance to give it their best shot.
No one come on that thread and attack you ...yours and any others work will speak for itself.
Good Luck
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« Reply #711 on: Jan 2nd, 2009, 04:40am »

I'm a new member to the site and was going through this area and was reading alot of the posts from different people.I'm a little concerned that alot of these posts are negative towards each other in the site.I thought that the site was setup so people could get together and discuss the subject which brought all of us here in a hope of solving the problem ,or at least trying.I'm a little afraid to say two much or anything for fear of being put down in some way.I hope that I'm wrong and all of us can make up our differences and do positive work to find out what is going on and try and fix it.To me from what I've seen and read it looks like it's back to the beginning of the case and start over.Its like alot of the other cases you don't have enough proof one way or another to say that it positively is real or not,like alot of the other cases,your right back at the beginning.I hope no one gets upset with me for what I have said.I'm just trying to find the truth and I was hoping that this site would really help.Now I don't know if I will get the help in finding out what is going on.I sorry if I said anything wrong,but we are here to find the truth, not put each other down.I think that;s what they want to do,keep us confused and fighting.
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« Reply #712 on: Jan 2nd, 2009, 05:28am »

on Jan 1st, 2009, 11:03pm, TeachersPet wrote:
ABC we now have a dedicated threaad just for what you are looking for. Knowing how concerned many, I mean a few, are on proving the drone is real and not a hoax, you have opportunity to post your analysis and proof to that end.
Without bickering too. Straight facts and anaysis. critique can be done elsewhere. That way we can all discuss those findings here too. Its a wonderful opportunity for some genuine discussion and questions. Don't you think?. Of course you do.
http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=drone&num=1230850864&start=0#1230850864

Please take Advantage of it, Its only fair as The analysis by many here is already completed for the most part.
We don't want things so one sided either.
http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=drone&num=1230850864&start=0#1230850864
Finding whats behind the hoax is what this thread about, not pixel analysis that doesn't answer that bigger question. Thats why its important to post as much as you have found in a reasonable logical manner, without attacking analysts who have answered the same question hand over fist.
This is the other sides chance to give it their best shot.
No one come on that thread and attack you ...yours and any others work will speak for itself.
Good Luck
smiley

Since DRT work still going on and that all the possibilities haven't been explored yet, this new topic is useless...

Anyway, welcome SEARCHER, and please take a look at the Drone Research Team forum, the only place where real investigations still going on.
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« Reply #713 on: Jan 2nd, 2009, 06:00am »

on Jan 1st, 2009, 7:53pm, Jeddyhi wrote:
Interesting comments from both. I would like to point out that there may be two different ways to look at the 'fake' vs 'real' comparison.

Nice post Jedd, that I, for the most part, agree with.

on Jan 1st, 2009, 7:53pm, Jeddyhi wrote:
For example, remember the Chicago O'Hare sighting? The disc was viewed by many employees and pilots and was observed taking off so fast it punched a hole in the cloud deck. There are no photos, yet some are rumored to exist. I don't know for sure that flying discs exist. I don't have evidence and proof to claim they exist. But common logic tells me that a sighting occurred at O'Hare. It was a real event. It was documented and investigated with multiple witnesses from numerous angles.

Yes, that was a great sighting and surely one of the best UFO event.
However, some differences exist with the drone events:
-The alleged or not retro-engineering part bring in by Isaac.
-The photos. Only one of the drone sighting photos still stand up (Raj), the others alleged "smoking guns" for the others (Ty, Stephen, Chad...) had already found a logical explanation, by DRT members.
All of these could be also very well faked, but a scientific and reasonable expertise (and conclusion) can't be made without enough and strong evidence.

Some similarities:
-We also have in the drone sightings witnesses without photos. We, at the DRT, personally met some of them and spoke to all of them. I don't see any reason to dismissed these witnesses and at the same time accept others testimonies from others UFO events (Like the Chicago O'Hare sighting)

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« Reply #714 on: Jan 2nd, 2009, 08:11am »

on Jan 2nd, 2009, 06:00am, elevenaugust wrote:
Nice post Jedd, that I, for the most part, agree with.


Yes, that was a great sighting and surely one of the best UFO event.
However, some differences exist with the drone events:
-The alleged or not retro-engineering part bring in by Isaac.
-The photos. Only one of the drone sighting photos still stand up (Raj), the others alleged "smoking guns" for the others (Ty, Stephen, Chad...) had already found a logical explanation, by DRT members.
All of these could be also very well faked, but a scientific and reasonable expertise (and conclusion) can't be made without enough and strong evidence.

Some similarities:
-We also have in the drone sightings witnesses without photos. We, at the DRT, personally met some of them and spoke to all of them. I don't see any reason to dismissed these witnesses and at the same time accept others testimonies from others UFO events (Like the Chicago O'Hare sighting)





Here is a missing piece of the puzzle that Jedd hinted at. Intent.

There is nothing different about Raj than the other BB Drones. They were all anonymously submitted… most with a form of anonymous post submittal communication (by email, forum or telephone). Any of the stories that can be followed up (verified), have been found to be misleading or more likely, disinformation with the intent of being misleading (especially, the location of the sighting). In some cases, the story given does not agree with the photos submitted.

There are no witnesses to interview (I wonder why). Because it all boils down to intent.

Does Raj wish to remain anonymous because of privacy? Yea, I bet he does. It speaks volumes to the “silence” of the “witnesses.”

They share the same MO (or similar ones), they are all hit and run on the internet… showing the same LAP, showing the same components or type craft. Hmmm.

Your opinion is the other photos are okay. But I see the same CGI shadowing on Chad’s (look in the torus) and I have covered Ty’s issues. I have no problem with you disagreeing with this… but if you were serious about that, you would produce a professional’s forensics that would demonstrate there are no issues with the photos. But after a year of coaxing for this, it still has not been done.

I wish the DRT the best of luck in their investigation.

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« Reply #715 on: Jan 2nd, 2009, 09:33am »

on Jan 2nd, 2009, 04:40am, SEARCHER wrote:
I'm a new member to the site and was going through this area and was reading alot of the posts from different people.I'm a little concerned that alot of these posts are negative towards each other in the site.I thought that the site was setup so people could get together and discuss the subject which brought all of us here in a hope of solving the problem ,or at least trying.I'm a little afraid to say two much or anything for fear of being put down in some way.I hope that I'm wrong and all of us can make up our differences and do positive work to find out what is going on and try and fix it.To me from what I've seen and read it looks like it's back to the beginning of the case and start over.Its like alot of the other cases you don't have enough proof one way or another to say that it positively is real or not,like alot of the other cases,your right back at the beginning.I hope no one gets upset with me for what I have said.I'm just trying to find the truth and I was hoping that this site would really help.Now I don't know if I will get the help in finding out what is going on.I sorry if I said anything wrong,but we are here to find the truth, not put each other down.I think that;s what they want to do,keep us confused and fighting.


To some of us, it's painfully obvious the drones are a joke, and the few people still pushing hard for "investigation" have some agenda that can't be made public, for reasons we just have to guess at. If you want to join in the endless quibbling over this detail or that, no one here will stop you. What gets people in trouble is spreading BS. That should never be allowed.
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« Reply #716 on: Jan 2nd, 2009, 09:47am »

hello searcher, i'm afraid you've arrived here at a time when a few members have decided that after 6 treads on this subject, we will no longer be allowed to think for ourselves, or at least here, they made us a new tread, and are going to insist we only put facts there, well if we expand that to all of ufology, could we not say it's all a bunch of bs.
i should think that at some point we may be able to discuss the drones here on the drones tread again, with out all the ridicul.
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« Reply #717 on: Jan 2nd, 2009, 09:51am »

on Jan 2nd, 2009, 06:00am, elevenaugust wrote:
Nice post Jedd, that I, for the most part, agree with.


Yes, that was a great sighting and surely one of the best UFO event.
However, some differences exist with the drone events:
-The alleged or not retro-engineering part bring in by Isaac.
-The photos. Only one of the drone sighting photos still stand up (Raj), the others alleged "smoking guns" for the others (Ty, Stephen, Chad...) had already found a logical explanation, by DRT members.
All of these could be also very well faked, but a scientific and reasonable expertise (and conclusion) can't be made without enough and strong evidence.

Some similarities:
-We also have in the drone sightings witnesses without photos. We, at the DRT, personally met some of them and spoke to all of them. I don't see any reason to dismissed these witnesses and at the same time accept others testimonies from others UFO events (Like the Chicago O'Hare sighting)



As far as witnesses without photos, it then becomes entirely important to gauge the veracity of the claim based strictly on the testimony given. Unlike the O'Hare case, non-photo drone witnesses are not backed up by a mass sighting viewed by many at the same time. They are alone in that their testimony and their claim cannot be checked out or verified has having actually happened. In the same way that we cannot confirm that any of the drone photo witness sightings actually occured, we cannot confirm any of the non photo sightings as well.

If I remember correctly, Capitola had an event going on outdoors the day of Raj's photos. I could be mistaken as to the timing but the Police Chief or a Capitola Detective stated that if the sightings were real, he would have expected a large number of witnesses experiencing a mass sighting. That would have added much credibility to the claim of the photo and non-photo witnesses. The law enforcement agent even claimed that Capitola is a close knit community where everyone knows everything about everyone. A cat stuck in a tree is news and probably travels fast in Capitola.

We, or rather I, cannot take unsubstanciated testimony from a witness with no photo concerning a sighting from years before and use that to verify another unsubstanciated claim with a photo years later.

Simply put, two uncorroborated claims that cannot be separately verified as true events do not add up to vindication for either claim. That is my opinion from a skeptical, objective viewpoint. Shirley may have seen a drone but we cannot confirm that. The Washington state man may have seen a drone, but we can't confirm that either. We cannot confirm they even had a sighting just like we can't confirm that Raj, Chad, Ty, Stephen or the Tahoe wife had a sighting

If a drone ever appears before numerous witnesses
(ie; Ty BB drone case, but in that instance every supposed witness conveniently saw no need to report or document their sighting) in a fashion similiar to Stephensville, Texas, it would vindicate the drone case as having a basis in reality. Until then, the case mysteriously has all the ear marks of an internet hoax with the occasional witness that wants on the band wagon.
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« Reply #718 on: Jan 2nd, 2009, 09:59am »

on Jan 2nd, 2009, 04:40am, SEARCHER wrote:
I'm a new member to the site and was going through this area and was reading alot of the posts from different people.I'm a little concerned that alot of these posts are negative towards each other in the site.I thought that the site was setup so people could get together and discuss the subject which brought all of us here in a hope of solving the problem ,or at least trying.I'm a little afraid to say two much or anything for fear of being put down in some way.I hope that I'm wrong and all of us can make up our differences and do positive work to find out what is going on and try and fix it.To me from what I've seen and read it looks like it's back to the beginning of the case and start over.Its like alot of the other cases you don't have enough proof one way or another to say that it positively is real or not,like alot of the other cases,your right back at the beginning.I hope no one gets upset with me for what I have said.I'm just trying to find the truth and I was hoping that this site would really help.Now I don't know if I will get the help in finding out what is going on.I sorry if I said anything wrong,but we are here to find the truth, not put each other down.I think that;s what they want to do,keep us confused and fighting.


Hi Searcher and welcome to casebook! Being new to the site, are you also new to the Drone case? There is a lot of reading available here and at open minds forum. Welcome aboard.
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« Reply #719 on: Jan 2nd, 2009, 12:13pm »

on Jan 2nd, 2009, 04:40am, SEARCHER wrote:
I'm just trying to find the truth and I was hoping that this site would really help.Now I don't know if I will get the help in finding out what is going on.I sorry if I said anything wrong,but we are here to find the truth, not put each other down.I think that;s what they want to do,keep us confused and fighting.

Hi SEARCHER. Take Jeddyhi's advice and research all the posts here, OMF and DRT if you have not done so already. There's enough reading material for weeks and perhaps most importantly you will get a feel for why and how we are at this point. Sorting out all the players will help you too. I'm still in that process and it has it's own interesting storyline as well!
More than likely any questions or ideas you have, have been covered (many times). I'd say at some point you'll need to judge yourself what you accept or discard and come to your own conclusion. Good luck.
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