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« Reply #750 on: Jan 2nd, 2009, 6:33pm »

I think that was posted under casual encounters in that listing....cheesy
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« Reply #751 on: Jan 2nd, 2009, 6:35pm »

Dadgummit, now you have me wondering what Chad's kid came out looking like. Jeez!
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« Reply #752 on: Jan 2nd, 2009, 6:41pm »

How was the Raj craiglist post discovered?

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« Reply #753 on: Jan 2nd, 2009, 6:54pm »

on Jan 2nd, 2009, 6:41pm, murnut wrote:
How was the Raj craiglist post discovered?

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Thanks, Mur!

My my, isn't that interesting?
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« Reply #754 on: Jan 2nd, 2009, 6:54pm »

on Jan 2nd, 2009, 6:16pm, DrDil wrote:
Hi again 11, your refusal to accept a simple basic fact boggles the mind a little, in all honesty it’s worrying on several levels so this is the last I’ll say on the matter. smiley

And your refusal to understand what I'm trying to show (and Lat before me) you also boggles the mind!!



LMH DIDN’T STATE BAKERSFIELD WAS WHERE CHAD LIVED.
DOESN'T MEAN THAT HE DIDN'T ALSO OWN A PROPERTY AT BAKERSFIELD

LMH STATED IT WAS WHERE CHAD SAID THE DRONE WAS SPOTTED.
Chad never claimed to have taken the pictures in Bakersfield or elsewhere. All he said was "I am about 10 miles outside of Bakersfield". Who knows if this was correct strictly speaking. Surely an evasive answer that can be interpreted in every way you want (or need)
So, I dunno, maybe LMH misunderstood him or misinterpret his own words, just like you did.


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« Reply #755 on: Jan 2nd, 2009, 6:56pm »

on Jan 2nd, 2009, 6:54pm, Double Nought Spy wrote:
Thanks, Mur!

My my, isn't that interesting?


Here is the post I quoted

http://lucianarchy.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=cali1&action=display&thread=2018&page=19#64922

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« Reply #756 on: Jan 2nd, 2009, 7:28pm »

This time you beat me Mur, excellent..
I remember Redstar11 at ATs first saw it on craigslist, but actually..it was Admin who saw it before him/her


this is ElevenAugust asking him.

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I wonder....
Is there a way of knowing the history of the rajman post in the SF craiglist??

When Redstar11 said: "I saw the new UFO originally posted on the San Francisco General Craigslist.org
sfbay.craigslist.org...", I think he made some Google search after seeing the first report on Flickr.
Craiglist post: 05-20 3:18pm
First mention of Flickr account: Here by Admin 05-21 10:31am
First mention of Craiglist: AST by Redstar11 05-21 12.33am
Redstar11 is a secret admiror of OMF and after seeing the info of Admin made some search with google....
Seriously, IMO, it's the most plausible scenario. I did not see (yet) anywhere some former mention about Raj story.

@Admin: did you remember how you get the first info?? Do you remember have heard of Craigslists at this moment?


we never got a clear answer from him.
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« Reply #757 on: Jan 2nd, 2009, 7:31pm »

on Jan 2nd, 2009, 6:54pm, elevenaugust wrote:
And your refusal to understand what I'm trying to show (and Lat before me) you also boggles the mind!!

Heh, heh, I provide screen-shots, direct quotes and known facts.

You supply ‘what-if’ and ‘Lat said so’…..

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« Reply #758 on: Jan 2nd, 2009, 7:33pm »

on Jan 2nd, 2009, 6:26pm, Double Nought Spy wrote:
OK, has anyone here ever seen anything remotely like a ufo sighting posted to Craigslist? Why not eBay?

No UFO's but I've seen Ebay used many times by people with an agenda or some point to get across. I've seen non-UFO hoax/fake attemps on Craigs List. Both sites reach a large audience and when you think about it they are ideal for getting something out quick and easy.
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« Reply #759 on: Jan 2nd, 2009, 7:39pm »

on Jan 2nd, 2009, 7:33pm, Katterfelto wrote:
No UFO's but I've seen Ebay used many times by people with an agenda or some point to get across. I've seen non-UFO hoax/fake attemps on Craigs List. Both sites reach a large audience and when you think about it they are ideal for getting something out quick and easy.


True, all of that. One can post anything to Criagslist and it will be seen. If it is not against the rules or illegal or offensive or whatever, it will stay there. The other photos were posted to places where they would appear immediately, no problem of fact checking or anything of the sort. That is the pattern I was referring to. But back to Craigslist; as Lat himself pointed out, who posts ufo reports there?
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« Reply #760 on: Jan 2nd, 2009, 7:47pm »

on Jan 2nd, 2009, 7:33pm, Katterfelto wrote:
No UFO's but I've seen Ebay used many times by people with an agenda or some point to get across. I've seen non-UFO hoax/fake attemps on Craigs List. Both sites reach a large audience and when you think about it they are ideal for getting something out quick and easy.


Yes its the maintool for Viralmarketerss and pranksters precisely because they are social networks..like facebook, myspace, craiglist, etc.. Using the casual encounters sounded cheesy but makes sense..Lots of people go there. To get comfort and understanding of course.
just like a forum, or about.com, Casebook, very well known, and the vehicles that feed the forum, like you guessed it..Linda.

Whoever Chad was, Linda said Chad was working on doing some comparisons.

But on May 15th she writes :
"I emailed Chad that the water insect analogy has been used by people I've interviewed about UFO sightings - both smooth motion, followed by rapid, jerky motion in a different direction, and then smooth motion again. It would be very valuable to record the aerial object's motion on videotape and Chad is going to try."

emphazizes' mine.

Which means that a real contact has been established. Chad does communicate. That's also how we know that he's located in Central California.
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I hope she lets us see his reults cheesy
She is not with PIs..but..gee..its been almost 2 years now.

But I am curious why no one remebers when they saw it on craigslist.I mean that is like the Genesis..the big Bang..

It was about that time when Numbers told Calikid he might be as close to 30 minutes away, in Galt at that time. from the possible, now definite, central california spot, we know as Santa Cruz hwy and the Deer Creek Bar and Grill, not to be confused with the San Jose Bar and Grill, a Nice friendly partying Club.


Even then, the suggestion to look in the Santa cruz area
recognized by Calikid because of vegetation and having been there, seems to have been forgotten, as were Calikids observation that The there were a lot of similar telphone poles just like the one seen in Capitola picture.
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These appear to be dated a week ago. Wonder if any coverage on the local (Santa Cruz county) newshuh

Power lines. Wonder if someone was tapped in for a recharge?

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I should mention I lived in downtown Santa Cruz (4 or 5 miles from Capitola) for several year (not a current resident) and the area does have a LARGE amount of those ugly power/telephone poles.
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Putting it simplistically..By this time 8 hours a day, 300 days at 20 miles cruising, perhour, they could have covered 48,000 miles worth of poles. That will be some final report and one heck of a carbon footprint, maybe Palmdale, Dulce park, too while they are at it.
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« Reply #761 on: Jan 2nd, 2009, 11:22pm »

on Jan 2nd, 2009, 4:21pm, elevenaugust wrote:
No, I just like to discuss with openminds.smiley



So you think that the no-photos witnesses could be genuine?
Let's see each case independently:
- Raj: "Experts" analysis showed shadows inconsistencies in pict16 confirmed by at least three DRT members, but not as "definite proof".



True… but this was found back in July of 2007 by SPF33 and generated into 3D by Nekitamo in August of 2008.

The DRT is just now saying there is an issue in January of 2009? (BTW, reading that thread it a real education).

It was members of the DRT that pointed out the issue back in 2007 and confirmed by Nekitamo, Kris, 1111, Torvald (and myself in 2D) and others. That debate that has lasted a year and a half is no different than this current debate… it just goes on and on and on for 27 pages. Sigh.

I have to give you guys credit… a year and a half plus 27 pages… now that is being open minded.


on Jan 2nd, 2009, 4:21pm, elevenaugust wrote:
- Chad: "Experts" analysis said "it looks like CGI" and "torus shadows that looks like the same as Raj's torus shadows"


Yep.


on Jan 2nd, 2009, 4:21pm, elevenaugust wrote:
- Ty: "Experts" said...... nothing
- Stephen: "Experts" said....... nothing
- Tahoe: "Experts" said....... nothing


And who are those “experts?”


on Jan 2nd, 2009, 4:21pm, elevenaugust wrote:
- Brent, Shirley, Cam, etc.....: "Experts" said..... They are single witnesses so the testimony is useless or they all are liars.


I have not looked into them… I do not know, but again, who are the experts you are referring to?


on Jan 2nd, 2009, 4:21pm, elevenaugust wrote:
I'd rather say "possibilities" that haven't been explored yet.
Anyway, you didn't answer to my questions about your sentence: "In some cases, the story given does not agree with the photos submitted."


Let’s see, Ty, Chad, Raj… hmmm, but you keep rewriting history with possibilities to fill in the disagreements… so you probably won’t see any issues.


on Jan 2nd, 2009, 4:21pm, elevenaugust wrote:
We are still working on it, as well on a hoax-side POV as a real-side POV, believe it or not!

You already have non-photo witnesses testimonies.



But did they see the same thing? I agree more investigation is needed for those before a label of hoax or real can be made.


on Jan 2nd, 2009, 4:21pm, elevenaugust wrote:
Yes, facts that pop up from a scientific approach, so maybe not so much my own facts....


As it's the only real info source, it's a pity you don't read it more!!


You haven't corrected anything and conveniently rehash your old KK-LL analysis that have been proved many time to be false, as well as the "moving leaves" thingy.....
Here and here


Demonstration, please?? We would like to work on it at the DRT forum!


Yeah! I know him personally; he's a very smart guy that own a house near Bakersfield. cheesy


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on Jan 2nd, 2009, 4:21pm, elevenaugust wrote:
To prove a real UFO event, you need to dismissed of the fakery possibilities (and have much more time), like I explained it dozen times here and over there. So asking to me to prove the drone to be real is an unfair question.


I think unfair is harsh… but it is reality.

If you are a serious investigator (even an armchair investigator), real verse fake is at the heart of the matter. You can not summarily dismiss the issues that are posed by a fraudulent report. You have to accept it as it is… and let the “chips fall” where they will. The answer to the mystery is not found by someone rewriting or providing possible answers to make the story work. If Chad says he lives in Bakersfield and took the photos near his house… then the onus is on Chad that the actual site was discovered near San Jose. As long as you invent and change Chad’s situation to fit Chad’s story (by having a good imagination), then you will never see a lie for being a lie. It is simply our misunderstanding… so lets see if there is a possibility that it could be true by give Chad a new home near the photo site. (Gee Chad, it is like winning the lottery! Good luck collecting it from 11A)

on Jan 2nd, 2009, 4:21pm, elevenaugust wrote:
Maybe one day we will understand each other, who knows?? grin


Oh yes… we are not that far apart. Nothing that sharing a good bottle of wine cannot solve. wink

Peace in the New Year 11!
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« Reply #762 on: Jan 2nd, 2009, 11:25pm »

on Jan 2nd, 2009, 5:38pm, tomi01uk wrote:
For me the kicker was when, I think it was doublenaught, mentioned something relevent shocked that really struck a cord with me.

It stung of truth.. ! How could a man like Chad, seriously.. think about this for a while.. have a pregnant wife and be concerned about their health and not make a call to any authority before contacting LMH..

Think about that.. does it seem first of all a natural response?? It really doesn't make sense either that he would go to LMH empty handed without some kind of reasoning like, "I called the county authorities and could get no reasonable explaination." But nothing.. nobody was contacted when his wife and unborn baby were "exposed" to something worrying him so much except for an attempt to get some answers from LMH??

Seems like Chad is "presuming" a lot. He has called no authorities because he suspects it's a ufo so he contacts LMH instead? Is that what we are to believe? Think about this.. would a father to be respond naturally this way? Just thinking here.




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« Reply #763 on: Jan 2nd, 2009, 11:28pm »

on Jan 2nd, 2009, 6:16pm, DrDil wrote:
Hi again 11, your refusal to accept a simple basic fact boggles the mind a little, in all honesty it’s worrying on several levels so this is the last I’ll say on the matter. smiley

Let me get this straight, you quote me saying:

“So it’s undeniable it was witnessed from the property he was living in."

To which you reply:

Agreed

Then you say, “The problem is the way you interpret Chad's words.”

THERE IS NO INTERPRETATION NECESSARY!! grin

We agree Chad claims he witnessed the Drone from the property he was living in.

LMH DIDN’T STATE BAKERSFIELD WAS WHERE CHAD LIVED.

LMH STATED IT WAS WHERE CHAD SAID THE DRONE WAS SPOTTED.


WE KNOW IT WASN’T.

CHAD LIED.


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How can this simplest of facts not be accepted? undecided

God help you if/when you find out the Drones are a hoax….. laugh

Cheers. wink




Its the Dead Parrot thing DrDil.


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« Reply #764 on: Jan 3rd, 2009, 12:07am »

on Jan 2nd, 2009, 6:16pm, DrDil wrote:
We agree Chad claims he witnessed the Drone from the property he was living in.

LMH DIDN’T STATE BAKERSFIELD WAS WHERE CHAD LIVED.

LMH STATED IT WAS WHERE CHAD SAID THE DRONE WAS SPOTTED.


WE KNOW IT WASN’T.

CHAD LIED.


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As far as I can tell, LMH is the ONLY one that said Chad was in the Bakersfield area, or did I miss something? Nowhere did Chad say, " I took the photos in the Bakersfield area." Is it not possible that Chad sent the info in from his relatives in Bakersfield? Is it possible that LMH just reported a return address of Bakersfield?

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