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« Reply #90 on: Dec 2nd, 2008, 07:27am »

His is the evidence for the photo I posted:

If we look at the Pole…

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The shadow from the sun cuts the pole in half, so that the cross bars on the top point “directly” to the sun , which is on the right. Therefore, the yellow line and arrow for its light source is correct… as in this example:


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Now, if we look at the Drone:


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This is the shadow in question. How do we create this shadow?


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Which of these solar angles are casting the shadow?

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3?


There is only one that works for the whole Drone.

I am sorry for the mess this makes...

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As you can see, the top bright green arrow does point to the light source. It is important to note: the top green arrow can not point lower to the right. The main body of the Drone (torus) would be in the way and the area that is in sunlight, would have to be in shadow.

3 is the answer to the cause of the shadows on the Drone... in order for 2 or 1 to be the cause, the light source would have to be "lower" in the photo (toward the light source of the pole)... which are unworkable solutions. They go below the lower green line.

These are the solutions in the first picture.

The light blue lines that are created by the shadow/light direction show convergence a little distance out from the boom or wing. This is an "artificial" light source and not the sun that is lighting the pole... therefore, the most logical solution is this photo is produced by using CGI/Photoshop.

Add to this the different direction of lighting for the pole... there is no longer any doubt this is CGI/Photoshop generated.


Maybe this is helpful in understanding the lighting issue.
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« Reply #91 on: Dec 2nd, 2008, 08:33am »

He can't , he messed up, and Spf argument was also defective , the former had his cardinal directions directions flipped, and the latter, Spf33 put something out with mesurements 4 days apart. 11 11 was kind enough to point Both of them in the right direction before the ink on their argument had time to dry.


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« Reply #92 on: Dec 2nd, 2008, 09:07am »

on Dec 2nd, 2008, 08:33am, TeachersPet wrote:
He can't , he messed up, and Spf argument was also defective , the former had his cardinal directions directions flipped, and the latter, Spf33 put something out with mesurements 4 days apart. 11 11 was kind enough to point Both of them in the right direction before the ink on their argument had time to dry.


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Their demo only lights the Drone, but does not account for the lighting of the pole:



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As long as one only looks critically at the Drone or the pole... then I guess having two suns is okay.
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« Reply #93 on: Dec 2nd, 2008, 09:37am »

on Dec 2nd, 2008, 08:33am, TeachersPet wrote:
He can't , he messed up, and Spf argument was also defective , the former had his cardinal directions directions flipped, and the latter, Spf33 put something out with mesurements 4 days apart. 11 11 was kind enough to point Both of them in the right direction before the ink on their argument had time to dry.


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This is hilarious. I'm just sitting back watching buffoons make spectacles of themselves. I see you just joined the group. Ha ha grin I really need to thank 1111. He has with one post, vindicated me when I told him he did not know what he was talking about.

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« Reply #94 on: Dec 2nd, 2008, 10:34am »

Maybe 3D will help ya...


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« Reply #95 on: Dec 2nd, 2008, 10:55am »

on Dec 2nd, 2008, 09:37am, Latitude wrote:
This is hilarious. I'm just sitting back watching buffoons make spectacles of themselves. I see you just joined the group. Ha ha grin I really need to thank 1111. He has with one post, vindicated me when I told him he did not know what he was talking about.

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You need to go back to the drawing board and try again...

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« Reply #96 on: Dec 2nd, 2008, 12:59pm »

Might be off by a hair but very close. The corner shadow on the opposite fin is caused by the point where the fin attaches to the torus not the lower tip of the fin as you have indicated. A simple mistake on your part.
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« Reply #97 on: Dec 2nd, 2008, 5:02pm »

on Dec 2nd, 2008, 12:59pm, Latitude wrote:
Might be off by a hair but very close. The corner shadow on the opposite fin is caused by the point where the fin attaches to the torus not the lower tip of the fin as you have indicated. A simple mistake on your part.



Odd…

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My #3 is not off. It would point towards the light source (on the right side).


If you are off by a "hair" maybe you need to correct it and see how it looks then? wink
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« Reply #98 on: Dec 2nd, 2008, 5:06pm »

Marvin: the pig who built his house from straw, replied to the wolf, not by the hair of my chinny chin chin..

Lattitude:This is hilarious. I'm just sitting back watching buffoons make spectacles of themselves.
I remember in a post at OM you called LMH that..now you are all sweethearts. interesting..
What we had there and here , I think , someone was a little hasty or premature in not double checking and putting up someone elses results,
and as a result of that , I now have a ringside box seat here watching this spectacle .

Lattitude:Lets see what you're talking about, since 11 11 in your opinion doesn't know what he is talking about with the lighting sources, or that Marvin is incorrect, I know you will make everything right.
Someone pass me the popcorn smiley
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« Reply #99 on: Dec 3rd, 2008, 07:13am »

on Dec 2nd, 2008, 5:06pm, TeachersPet wrote:
Marvin: the pig who built his house from straw, replied to the wolf, not by the hair of my chinny chin chin..

Lattitude:This is hilarious. I'm just sitting back watching buffoons make spectacles of themselves.
I remember in a post at OM you called LMH that..now you are all sweethearts. interesting..
What we had there and here , I think , someone was a little hasty or premature in not double checking and putting up someone elses results,
and as a result of that , I now have a ringside box seat here watching this spectacle .

Lattitude:Lets see what you're talking about, since 11 11 in your opinion doesn't know what he is talking about with the lighting sources, or that Marvin is incorrect, I know you will make everything right.
Someone pass me the popcorn smiley



The issue will be, Lat can not create the same lines that go through the Drone and the pole as being from the same light source.

Kris has done a great job of showing what the Drone and Pole shadows would look like… based on the shadow angles of each.

Look on the bottom right to see the label that describes what you are seeing… it moves along fairly quickly so watch it loop a few times.


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The important issue here is... Kris’s angle for the sun on the pole (based on the Drone) is not as far as what Lat is suggesting. As you can see, the shadow on the pole almost “disappears” from view (actually it just rotates away from our view, with the change in location of the light source). If what Lat suggests is true, then the shadow should be smaller yet than Kris’s example (based on the Drone's shadow). You can not ignore physics… and, as you know, this has been independently confirmed by a number of CGI artists.
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« Reply #100 on: Dec 3rd, 2008, 10:05am »

It's something like this:

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Also, it's very obvious to me that Kris's cgi pole has an incorrect light angle. But this is to be expected because a) it's very hard to get it exactly correct and b) he has no motivation to even try to. It's contrary to his point of view.

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« Reply #101 on: Dec 3rd, 2008, 12:16pm »

Lat Also, it's very obvious to me that Kris's cgi pole has an incorrect light angle. But this is to be expected because a) it's very hard to get it exactly correct and b) he has no motivation to even try to. It's contrary to his point of view.

Only someone with a myopic, tunnel vision viewpoint would say something like that, as the evidence,, from a variety of sources speaks contrary to what you stated. Kris, like Fx models, Wiggins, with Kris in particular had from the beginning devoted considerable effort, time, and skill in doing the very initial videos, with the sole purpose of dispelling the myth if not lie that many were pushing out of sheer ignorance that the the drone could not be duplicated. That was the goal and not that drones were impossible. It certainly fooled LMH , a veteran in this strange paranormal matters. HPOs model certainly showed where the light should be.
To say that all these peoples agenda was to debunk is ludicrous.
Post upon post of his establishes his extreme effort to let us know that was what the intent was.







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« Reply #102 on: Dec 3rd, 2008, 12:20pm »

on Dec 3rd, 2008, 10:05am, Latitude wrote:
It's something like this:

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Also, it's very obvious to me that Kris's cgi pole has an incorrect light angle. But this is to be expected because a) it's very hard to get it exactly correct and b) he has no motivation to even try to. It's contrary to his point of view.





Better Lat... now, connect the dots (draw the lines) to the pole as you did in your original post below.



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« Reply #103 on: Dec 3rd, 2008, 5:21pm »

Are you kidding me? It's a 3D environment. It's not as simple as connecting dots and drawing lines in two dimensions. It's much more complicated. Maybe that concept is too much for you?

HPO's model is probably going to be the closest we can come to simulating what is actually in the photos. Even then the scale may be a problem.

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« Reply #104 on: Dec 3rd, 2008, 6:12pm »

Surely you Latitude, don't lack the motivation, you accused others of lacking, to do that . Marvin is here at your prompting.
Certainly with those skills of yours and dedication to the cause, and recent celebration, you can finish what you started\ and show up all those Bufoons right here.
And Marvin is an excellent teacher.
After all, 3d is closest to real life, as we said about HPO's.
Please Don't fail us now., everyone is looking foward to this and seeing the errors made by the analysts.
This is a most auspicuious moment. Rise to the occasion.
And Good Luck!
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