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« Reply #1110 on: Jun 6th, 2009, 9:53pm »

on Jun 6th, 2009, 9:46pm, murnut wrote:
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Wha'd he say? I got the "don't make assumptions" part, but that's only, like, three words.
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« Reply #1111 on: Jun 6th, 2009, 10:00pm »

on Jun 6th, 2009, 9:53pm, Chicken Pot Pie wrote:
Wha'd he say? I got the "don't make assumptions" part, but that's only, like, three words.



Actually a she.....


And I have no freakin clue.....


I want to respond to that post, but I would clearly be banned
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« Reply #1112 on: Jun 6th, 2009, 10:08pm »

Great posts!Mur at OMF, thanx for that you were fantastic..Thank goodness you are immune to the stuff..! and Double, thats a method for tracking animals and..others..follow the dung heaps and piles ., you can tell what size the beast was , health and everything..hahahaha.
AT OM cyrellis said on same link as Murs..
It is within the Mediatorís legitimate power to direct the conversation where improvements in or reiteration of information, or even the use of mnemonic devices may assist the participants to more appropriately and accurately recall or understand information in the way it was intended. The assigning of symbolic labels or connotative meaning to information given will elicit a personal emotional response on the part of the information giver(s). The mediator can work through the detriments of assumptive responses or returns on given information by developing a cooperative strategy with willing participants that is complimentary to the communication purposes early on, fully understanding that this occurrence is not atypical in exopolitical mediation.

Err okay..Linda does it all the time..called steering..but I recall Aldus Huxley said in Animal farm..to take a page when Napoloeon the pig got rid of the Competition..put up a sign on equality..
All Animals are created equal
but..
Some animals are more equal than others..


DRT was selectively to ignore the obvious and continue the conversation to other possibilities, however fanciful ie mnemonic reinforcement of the drones meme and ET reality via brute force ..and made one big dung heap..they have created a new ideological vocabulary to accompany pseudo science

hahaha grin grin

odd..cyrellis doesn't post on EGRD anymore..sad, I hope its not because I'm there..Atto did a great post on putting things out in the open just like they want in exoplolitics..and Cyrellis complemented..but doesnt come over..I'm hurt..hurt..I tell you.
But Atto, did tell me in confidence that some people he knew were being accused of cattle mutilations. Had to distance himself from that, as it was not to his liking those things. I don't blame him.
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« Reply #1113 on: Jun 6th, 2009, 10:16pm »

LMH steer a witness toward saying things that appear to support an established story? huh Where you gettin' that kind of crazy talk? wink
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« Reply #1114 on: Jun 6th, 2009, 10:18pm »

Steering....that was the word I was looking for.

Exopolitical Mediation or Brain washing?


How can there be Mediation when the mediators are biased?
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« Reply #1115 on: Jun 6th, 2009, 10:27pm »

Yes..Necessity, it seems is the mother of invention and Steering its nanny.
smiley

It is no accident to me why Josh used a circus tent as a metaphor for the ufology community. It is..just that ..While the tent people thoght certain thing were all ET like the Craft on the walls, it was actually something else..the terminators..That the bogy man substituting the ET would be the computer. This also is an old premise back in sixties and seventies. With one computer taking over world, another abducting a woman in a house, using her egg, to become..a human!..
another in ushering in the antichrist., Damien series,
and now..the use singularity , not in computers but the Vatican and Tempars in Angels and Demons..


All goes well together doesn't it. smiley Yet it falls as we are steered ourselves into merely new forms of entertainment.

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« Reply #1116 on: Jun 6th, 2009, 10:37pm »

I guess that "steering" was one of the biggest problems I had with the DRT...before there even was a drt.

Especially Tomi.....wink

In my opinion, at least way back then, the research and at least one pdf report they put out was really biased towards the drones being real.

It was definitely steered in a particular direction.

The whole Mufon-Carrion incident was certainly unpleasant as well.

That being said....I like Tomi

I would definitely buy her a drink....as well as the ARC boys.

Mine will be a double
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« Reply #1117 on: Jun 6th, 2009, 10:48pm »

Cheers Mur, I will buy one for the house, we could all use a few about now.. wink
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« Reply #1118 on: Jun 6th, 2009, 11:09pm »

Yes the religious cult quality is very noticeable, as was in the Whitleys and Reyes PDF interview and analysis, which never was completed..it was a draft, whose life was cut short when Reyes flew the coop, and Linda went to look at a crop circle in UK..there the report commented on mandalas and other symbology, quoted ATs posters on the Chakra patterns..and of course..Empirical cornerstones of research sources such as Lindas books.
I wonder what its like to interview someone wearing a hood speaking with such great authority and command of knowledge on the meaning of the circles and Et's, and of course the drones.
Was his voice like deep thundering, and majestic or was it like Elmer fudd in Bugs Bunny.? cool
why with the DRT as the equivalent of the Mormon Tabernacel choir, Earthfiles, Sherwood and Pringles,C2C, Fox winking, Lev a drawing, I can very easily picture them as the candidates helping coordinate the Holy Drones Jihad, Isaac did say no more than 30 people., I've only named a handful. cool
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« Reply #1119 on: Jun 6th, 2009, 11:44pm »

Disclosure...

I think the majority of the people that are waiting for some type of disclosure really need to do some hardcore research, and sit and think about some of the pros and cons that it would bring. Most people have a difficult time understanding the cons, and almost all people miss quite a few major cons, which could potentially make you wish there wont be a disclosure.

Disclosure of technology; I hate to tell you all, but there will not be a technology disclosure from the government until the government has zero enemies, or until there is only a one world government. Any advanced technology disclosure would spark civilian research, and would start the road to understanding how the technologies works. Once the technology is mainstream, that is when it gets dangerous.

You can't forget that there are insane people in this world, many with bad cases of mental illness, and others that are bipolar, and others that are religious extremists, and others that just lost all faith, that nobody can trust, ever. There is nothing stopping these types of people from obtaining knowledge of technology, and some day making a bad mental choice and harming people with it. Humanity as a whole is still in a childish state of mind, always fighting and harming others for some type of gain, or for no reason at all. Humanity is just not ready to know things...

For example, anti-gravity. Do you all realize what happens when someone discovers some type of gravity neutralizer? Of course, it means we can fly around, and put really heavy stuff into orbit (pros), however that also means some nut case can fly around and drop heavy things on us, from the sky (cons). We could stop Earth shattering asteroids from impacting Earth (pro), but that means someone could also create their own Earth shattering asteroids (con). Dropping big heavy things into the ocean could cause earthquakes and tsunamis... the list goes on...

Another example, free energy. This one is scary..... really scary..... only strong hearts should research in this area, it could probably get you killed. Actually, I fear for my life every day just talking about it on the internet. Free energy, if controlled, can save many lives. It would make water purification less expensive, and available all around the world. It could heat homes, light dark places, power vehicles and factories, and reduce pollution, and much, much, more (pros). BUT....there are a ton of cons.

I want to stay true to the saying "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil", but I feel I need to touch on the subject... The cons of free energy are so scary that I find it hard to even tell them to people, just so nobody will ever try it, but I can't stop people from figuring it out on their own.

Some of the most ugly cons of free energy is economic collapse, super powerful lasers and tazers, ICBMs with infinite range, real world mecha, and deadly super villains..... yes, I said super villains.

God help us if any technology is released that can get anyone close to immortality. Then our nightmares will truly come alive.

So if you think there will be a technology disclosure, THINK AGAIN. It's NOT going to happen in our life time, if ever at all. That would be like giving weapons to children. I am certain there IS a group of highly intelligent people that are holding important technology from the world, and it is for a good reason, humanity is still growing up.

Disclosure of E.T.; That already happened. E.T.'s are filed under theknown unknown, and the unknown unknown category.

Keep in mind, the more you believe the government has alien technology, or is in alien contact, the more power you give to them. They could stage a fake crash, or even a fake sighting like this drone HOAX, and that would fuel peoples belief that the government has alien information. They will use it like a card in poker, yet they will be bluffing. That is why they don't confirm or deny anything alien, because that is like showing their poker cards. It's much better to bluff than to fold. It leaves your opponents guessing... and the element of surprise, and mysteriousness has a large effect mentally.

All those people who are fighting for disclosure, and even taking it into their own hands to get the process going by making hoaxes and stories, are doing exactly what they don't want, yet they don't know it. They are making people believe the government knows the absolute truth, and they are setting the government up to be in a position to easily mentally control people.

People who are begging for the government to disclose anything, are actually begging to be lied to and controlled, and they don't know it. They are basically begging, "tell us! tell us!", and someone could tell you anything.....ANYTHING. That is why it is important to find the truth yourself.

A drone hoax for disclosure? HIGHLY IMPROBABLE

I'm certain there will never be a disclosure, at least, a public one. It wont cure any problems, only cause more.
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« Reply #1120 on: Jun 6th, 2009, 11:54pm »

on Jun 6th, 2009, 11:44pm, neveleeleven wrote:
Disclosure...

I think the majority of the people that are waiting for some type of disclosure really need to do some hardcore research, and sit and think about some of the pros and cons that it would bring. Most people have a difficult time understanding the cons, and almost all people miss quite a few major cons, which could potentially make you wish there wont be a disclosure.

Disclosure of technology; I hate to tell you all, but there will not be a technology disclosure from the government until the government has zero enemies, or until there is only a one world government. Any advanced technology disclosure would spark civilian research, and would start the road to understanding how the technologies works. Once the technology is mainstream, that is when it gets dangerous.

You can't forget that there are insane people in this world, many with bad cases of mental illness, and others that are bipolar, and others that are religious extremists, and others that just lost all faith, that nobody can trust, ever. There is nothing stopping these types of people from obtaining knowledge of technology, and some day making a bad mental choice and harming people with it. Humanity as a whole is still in a childish state of mind, always fighting and harming others for some type of gain, or for no reason at all. Humanity is just not ready to know things...

For example, anti-gravity. Do you all realize what happens when someone discovers some type of gravity neutralizer? Of course, it means we can fly around, and put really heavy stuff into orbit (pros), however that also means some nut case can fly around and drop heavy things on us, from the sky (cons). We could stop Earth shattering asteroids from impacting Earth (pro), but that means someone could also create their own Earth shattering asteroids (con). Dropping big heavy things into the ocean could cause earthquakes and tsunamis... the list goes on...

Another example, free energy. This one is scary..... really scary..... only strong hearts should research in this area, it could probably get you killed. Actually, I fear for my life every day just talking about it on the internet. Free energy, if controlled, can save many lives. It would make water purification less expensive, and available all around the world. It could heat homes, light dark places, power vehicles and factories, and reduce pollution, and much, much, more (pros). BUT....there are a ton of cons.

I want to stay true to the saying "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil", but I feel I need to touch on the subject... The cons of free energy are so scary that I find it hard to even tell them to people, just so nobody will ever try it, but I can't stop people from figuring it out on their own.

Some of the most ugly cons of free energy is economic collapse, super powerful lasers and tazers, ICBMs with infinite range, real world mecha, and deadly super villains..... yes, I said super villains.

God help us if any technology is released that can get anyone close to immortality. Then our nightmares will truly come alive.

So if you think there will be a technology disclosure, THINK AGAIN. It's NOT going to happen in our life time, if ever at all. That would be like giving weapons to children. I am certain there IS a group of highly intelligent people that are holding important technology from the world, and it is for a good reason, humanity is still growing up.

Disclosure of E.T.; That already happened. E.T.'s are filed under theknown unknown, and the unknown unknown category.

Keep in mind, the more you believe the government has alien technology, or is in alien contact, the more power you give to them. They could stage a fake crash, or even a fake sighting like this drone HOAX, and that would fuel peoples belief that the government has alien information. They will use it like a card in poker, yet they will be bluffing. That is why they don't confirm or deny anything alien, because that is like showing their poker cards. It's much better to bluff than to fold. It leaves your opponents guessing... and the element of surprise, and mysteriousness has a large effect mentally.

All those people who are fighting for disclosure, and even taking it into their own hands to get the process going by making hoaxes and stories, are doing exactly what they don't want, yet they don't know it. They are making people believe the government knows the absolute truth, and they are setting the government up to be in a position to easily mentally control people.

People who are begging for the government to disclose anything, are actually begging to be lied to and controlled, and they don't know it. They are basically begging, "tell us! tell us!", and someone could tell you anything.....ANYTHING. That is why it is important to find the truth yourself.

A drone hoax for disclosure? HIGHLY IMPROBABLE

I'm certain there will never be a disclosure, at least, a public one. It wont cure any problems, only cause more.


Wise words

I don't understand why folks would ever believe a govt sanctioned "truth" disclosure.

What ever is disclosed won't be the truth, and will probably be what is least expected.

Besides the fact that in my opinion, the govt knows far less about the phenomena, than many interested in this subject would believe.
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« Reply #1121 on: Jun 7th, 2009, 12:44am »

Welcome Back Nev mucho wisdom there. I believe so much negativity is placed that our government, who are no great assemby of angels, but are people like us..is holding back so much, that it is responsible for the worlds ills, that it is holding back the secrets that can cure diseases, and free us from poverty, give us free energy that businesses have propped it making it profitable to sell such themes to the extent we have groups that are working to literally topple or work against the government and committ heinous acts. religious faction of Islam, have know qualms of doing what they do, as in 911 as far far as victims, its like..well..let God sort it all out. Or the American Timothy Mcveighs, in the Oklahoma Bombings..

As far as this Drone Here I think this was foolishly hoped it would lead to disclosure , because a cult of disclosure exists, certain groups can react in unexpected ways. and like the remote viewers who commercialized it, and precipitated a mass suicide. from studio room at c2c, we all know resulted in .seventh gate, well the same people keep doing what they are doing..If any body listened to ART Bell, he literally had people quaking in the closets with Haley Bopp, the very same way that Some commercial interests are Pushing 2012 and eschatology... We have a lot of crazy people who have some very crazy thoughts and will act on them in concert..
because they Believe..and don't do the homework, and can't get what they are supposed to get, because as far as that technology, they have no business getting it, precisely for the reasons you said.
Yet we still have the same media which include the people I mentioned, and Hollywood clowns profiting saying we should..with disastrous consequences further down the road I believe.

By the way I mentioned Arthur reyes, and he is listed here on this page doing AI systems fantastic work with students. Other people are mention, a Dr Liu and Dr Ding doing absolutely wonderful and amazing stiff in Matrix AI and data miing.
I'll bet he never comes back to Earthfiles and mention Kurtzweil except on a University Lunch Break.after this fiasco.. ..Smart man..

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« Reply #1122 on: Jun 7th, 2009, 12:45am »

Also,

Ive been toying with the theory that this drone hoax was created by those types of people who will do anything to get something on television, or radio. Mixed with the type of people who enjoy creating chain mail, just to see how big the chain gets.

You know those chain letters that say "pass this on to 10 people or else you will have bad luck for 10 years"? There really is no point to most of the chain letters, except to see how many people send and receive it.

It appears to me that maybe the hoaxers were fans of C2C and Earthfiles, and they got the stupid idea to create something just for the mundane experience of seeing something they created spread around on radio and or television. Just to watch people comment about it, and speculate about something they created.

Ive seen many people do this type of thing. Some people will take their time, and create complex posters, and signs, and go camp out in front of the windows at their local television/news studio in hopes of getting on camera for 5 seconds.

Some people will call into a radio show just to hear their own voice on the radio. Some will even submit fake news stories to their local station, just to get some type of mention. 15 minutes of fame, even if it is a rumor that gets the fame, they can brag to their friends that they created the rumor.

The drone hoax to me seems like an overdone chain mail/rumor and I wouldn't be surprised if the reason for it being overdone was to create the illusion of there being a higher purpose for it when there isn't.

Everyone who says "it's too complex to just be a hoax, there must be a higher reason", well you are falling victim to the illusion.

It's just like special effects in movies. The more complex and detailed the special effects are in movies, the more real the movie appears to some people.

Just some thoughts...
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« Reply #1123 on: Jun 7th, 2009, 01:07am »

Reyes was a fan of Whitleys and he literally worshipped him.
He posted it at the university page. and he was a forum member at unknown Country..Whitley knew this..
and used him, the same way Melony was referred to Earthfiles..to bolster Lindas Drones..
A few days later he sent Linda that email July 6, 2007.
giving a detailed opinion.
In a weeks time or so later he had done the PDF.
Linda already had in her possession all the Isaac responses June 27, 2007. The pdf Draft done with Whitley and Reyes..never mention the many conversations with Isaac or witnesses both Whitley and Linda claimed..
http://ovnis-usa.com/DIVERS/A-Reyes-CARET_Language_Research%20V00.pdf

Those was not just some happy fanclub..or pranksters..this was prescripted and organized and financed..very well financed..
Who stood to win most if drones took off..
we already know AW we Know Warners/fox..
All marketing worth their salt do data mining..and I am sure they got troves of it on this, perhaps even now..

A gov op need not creat a hoax..plenty come on by themselves..they can data mine merely by latching onto one.

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« Reply #1124 on: Jun 7th, 2009, 01:11am »

on Jun 6th, 2009, 11:54pm, murnut wrote:
Wise words

I don't understand why folks would ever believe a govt sanctioned "truth" disclosure.


Thanks.

Same here, I don't understand why the people who don't trust their government, are the same people who trust them to disclose the truth about anything.

It's like, "hey we don't believe that you are telling the truth about e.t. life, but we will believe any disclosure you tell us!". I don't understand that logic.




on Jun 7th, 2009, 12:44am, Sys_Config wrote:
Welcome Back Nev mucho wisdom there.

We have a lot of crazy people who have some very crazy thoughts and will act on them in concert..
because they Believe..and don't do the homework, and can't get what they are supposed to get, because as far as that technology, they have no business getting it, precisely for the reasons you said.



..and thank you too.

I agree with you as well. There is an incurable problem with humanity, and it's caused by people who act before thinking.

I actually believe the next step in the mental evolution of humanity is weeding out the people who
"act first, think last". Natural selection will favor all who "think first, act last".

I'm pretty sure this drone hoax was created by people who act first, think last. Just my opinion...
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