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« Reply #1275 on: Jun 10th, 2009, 11:20pm »

on Jun 10th, 2009, 11:16pm, DrStern wrote:
Yeah, my website is up until you close it, so show your powers...let everyone know who you are, you are so good...

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No, see, it was Nev who was...

Oh, never mind. rolleyes
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« Reply #1276 on: Jun 10th, 2009, 11:28pm »

Ok..we should stop for a moment..please..Erik we all go back a long time now. You know that every single person here bears stripes, deep stripes, for the positions taken.
Certainly, the DRT went their way, as was planned, but not before substantial damage was done to many who are not here and simply asked questions as did we. There was no charity for them
Now this as far as we are concerned is water under the bridge, but we can't ignore DRT was financed and coordinated the activities in a manner that only hoaxers would, imo, and did attempt to mislead and disrupt with invective our work and the analysts.

What you have here in us are a group of people who have a zero tolerance for hoaxes and hoaxers.

Its very simple.

I understand in a way what you are saying. It is not my desire nor even I think of the others to lambast you..
It is an automatic response really at this point. They think you are still trying to do that..help extend a hoax..

It would be much simpler to say what you believe and be done withit , rather than to say anything that sounds like it may sends us in a direction away from the suspects or merely accummulate attention to something that was used for commercial gain.

I see no efforts to condemn LMH or Whitley who have the means themselves to assist..in ending this kind of activity in our community, no effort to have Lev explain himself, or the PIs, or the other complicity which took place. Its all quiet on that front. yet to the man..everyone wants disclosure. How can you and others want that..and yet submit to the previous silence of those problems .

If you had said, Sys..ARC you know we had our differences but this looks like disinfo, and maybe even some people in Disclosure may be behind it, maybe even government and hollywood., and or..I think we were infiltrated..etc

with what we exposed ..you most certainly were, or were willing partners.

we might listen Erik....but there is nothing but coordination..and a desire to keep talking about something expelled from the womb of a lie..

I have no quarrel with you..Truly ..honestly..I'm too tired to fight anyone..at the moment..

You might see the science..in a philisophical..way..
Sarfatti didnt..Ventura didnt..Hudson didnt..
we didnt..
Even the expert alternative people like Hutchinson, Kuchinov never wighed in, and they know of this. Even a French physicist and UFO believer, has not..they are all aware..or were when it hit the internet..

Its a moot point ..this thing will bring down..anyone who wants to keep talking about it as real....I showed the stats already to Masc..he is still laughing I'm sure..

He speaks in shorter sentences now..wise move..I have samples of every players beautiful prose..that I am running thru text analysis..among other things..

One thing I can say..

Man is a creature of Habit.

But..I ask my fellow ARC members not to engage any any dialogue that does not help lead you further to the goal of getting to your quest our quest for the real identity of the hoaxters

They set up a lot of rick rolls.

Anyway ..Erik..
Please go in peace..
We wish you no ill..
I may even go to your site..at some time..
as for the others..
We have nothing to say to them.
I Wish them 10 times what they wish us..

Peace.







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« Reply #1277 on: Jun 11th, 2009, 11:05am »

Ok, this may be nothing, but some how I found some weird coincidences...

Over at A.T.S. I was browsing the UFO topics and came across this new sighting that originated from UCB:

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2009b/greenvillesc052609.html

Here is the topic at ATS:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread471430/pg1

Ok, my first opinion of that sighting was that it was fake. Then I looked at the EXIF data, and noticed the camera used was a MINOLTA DIMAGE Z5. My first thought was how that camera is similar to the MINOLTA DIMAGE X used in the Drone HOAX. I shrugged it off thinking that the camera must be more popular that I first imagined.....

....then I started reading every post that is in the ATS thread, and I noticed the user named "Bspiracy" was really defending that particular sighting, and was standing out like a sore thumb. It almost seemed like he was taking everyone's opinion personal. So I decided to post MY opinion on that thread, knowing that "Bspiracy" would probably be my resistance. SURE ENOUGH, "Bspiracy" was the first person to respond to my opinion and "shoot it down"....

I successfully predicted his actions...

That is when I started getting curious about who this "Bspiracy" person is, and I was wondering about his connections to the sighting. His name sounded familiar.

It turns out, "Bspiracy" was defending the original Drone HOAX thread at ATS:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread289007/pg1&mem=Bspiracy

It also turns out that "Bspiracy" also created a Drone related thread back in 2007, about the drones:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread292560/pg1

So, I just thought it was a weird coincidence that "Bspiracy" was defending the drone HOAX, and the new sighting, which I believe is a HOAX also. And I also thought it was a weird coincidence that the cameras used in both are very similar...

Then.... I got the weird idea to get more information about the person who started the topic at ATS, about the new sighting. The user who started the topic is named "sjag9".

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/mem/sjag9

It turns out, back in 2007, the user "sjag9" also started a Drone related topic:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread305106/pg1

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To sum it up... The camera used in the new sighting made me think about the Drone HOAX, because they are similar. Then it turns out the person who started the topic about the new sighting (sjag9) has also made a topic about the Drone HOAX, and the main person defending the new sighting (Bspiracy) ALSO made a topic about the Drone HOAX, and was a MAIN DEFENDER of the Drone HOAX in the original ATS topic about it...

...coincidence?

I think the drone hoaxers are still going at it....

Bspiracy claims to have 15 years + experience in graphics. You should read some of his posts in the original ATS drone thread:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread289007/pg1&mem=Bspiracy

...something fishy!

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« Reply #1278 on: Jun 11th, 2009, 11:22am »

It is all finished and now I must be going never to be seen again.
It iss over all soved.
Goodbye
BE BACK IN A FEW MINUTES.
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« Reply #1279 on: Jun 11th, 2009, 11:29am »

on Jun 11th, 2009, 11:05am, neveleeleven wrote:
Ok, this may be nothing, but some how I found some weird coincidences...

Hi Nev,

Have you mentioned this member/suspicions to Springer?

Cheers.
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« Reply #1280 on: Jun 11th, 2009, 11:52am »

on Jun 11th, 2009, 11:29am, DrDil wrote:
Hi Nev,

Have you mentioned this member/suspicions to Springer?

Cheers.


Hey DrDil,

Nope I haven't mentioned it to Springer, yet, not sure he could do much besides an IP check though.

I'll give it a try.
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« Reply #1281 on: Jun 11th, 2009, 11:56am »

on Jun 10th, 2009, 5:48pm, DrStern wrote:
Thanks, DrDil..

You know, we have been the true reliable friends here on UCB, allthough we are far from it in belief...some here should take that in menté..

Interesting, how a unknown scam triggers so much talk, not that is isn't interesting..might even spawn a wager on the truth of the entire "drone" saga..

20/80 on real..........

You decide,as if some of the release of "Issac" is real...how's the odds?

If it's real..

If it's bogus?

If it's part real?

How is your standpoint?

Just a question-.-

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Hi again DS, wink

I realise that you’ve yet again terminated your membership but I don’t doubt that you’ll read this at some point (I didn’t reply straight away yesterday as I wasn’t online again after our initial exchange).

I know how you feel about the Drones and I also realise that you were a little disappointed at the turn the discussion took yesterday but I think it was a bit of a joint effort because as usual you came in with your ‘guns blazing’ and this puts everyone on the defensive straight away.

on Jun 10th, 2009, 7:43pm, DrStern wrote:
Plus if really was gov..they have right to protect national security

Yeah, if national security is watching the "Isaac" revelations...

Too late, my friends,,,¨

It's all over the Internet..

No, I don't buy into that..

If "Isaac" chose to reveal something, some of it might be fake, and some real...

As I see it, it was released in a blend, so that some of it was real..

Now take a look..

Was it the LAP or the "Inventory photo"?

Or the report?

Which is real?

I just ask all of you?

DrStern

Regarding your question, I’m sure I’ve answered this (at least!! grin) a couple of times but can’t be bothered to search for it so for the record I believe that it’s a 100% HOAX.

With the greatest respect I find it absolutely ludicrous that anyone can place any kind of value on the pseudoscientific ramblings of Isaac, I’ve wrote about this several times so rather than rehash it all again here’s a couple of links.

  • Firstly there’s the direct implications of Isaac’s prose which I termed, ”Isaac's Alien Treaty” (click on text) and to be honest this is a major problem with the Isaac testimony as I’m unable to reconcile it with ANYTHING I believe regarding the broader UFO phenomenon.

  • Secondly there’s the, “Linguistic Analysis Primer” and while I’m not denying it was quite a work of art and a refreshing change to the usual UFO material that I’ve happened across, it still doesn’t validate the concept behind it and to be honest (again) I think it’s laughable that it could be anything like what Isaac described.

  • And finally there’s, “The CARET Facility”, which yet again I’ve wrote about quite extensively at the link provided and again I believe it’s bordering on insulting for Isaac to think there’s ANY chance at all that the story could be accepted as fact and it's certainly NOT grounded in anything that I personally would even remotely recognise as reality.

I also believe that irrespective of belief everyone is free to comment on the Drones and I find it a little strange that you keep returning only to ask why we are still here, as I’ve stated many times it’s an unhealthy interest on my behalf but an interest nonetheless…..

Take care of yourself friend,

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« Reply #1282 on: Jun 11th, 2009, 12:36pm »

Hoax - no hoax, someplace in ufology the Drones will always be discussed. Those who say it is a hoax maybe right, but those who say it is over are wrong. kiss
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« Reply #1283 on: Jun 11th, 2009, 2:46pm »

on Jun 11th, 2009, 12:36pm, masker33 wrote:
Hoax - no hoax, someplace in ufology the Drones will always be discussed. Those who say it is a hoax maybe right, but those who say it is over are wrong. kiss



I guess it depends on your definition of hoax and “it is over."

Hoax:

Wrestling with the hoax idea, I see folks claiming there is “real” stuff mixed with “hoaxed” stuff. I assume this is coming from the view point that we are witnessing some type of disclosure within the hoax.

This concept baffles me, since historically this “approach” to disinformation has been demonstrated (the reason for doing it), to cause “disbelief...” not belief.

I can understand the idea of releasing “real stuff” with disinformation so that future leaks of real stuff will be ignored. But in this case, the randomness of what some people believe to be “real” can not be distinguished from what is just simply BS.

Just because the LAP has not been absolutely proven (beyond all doubt) to be art work rather than real alien writing, that is not proof of reality (when based on its own merit or one’s assumption). The balance of the evidence seems to suggest that it is just art work (and nothing more).

Anything in this case, in order to be considered real, must be backed by the sheer weight of supporting irrefutable evidence… otherwise, the assumption must be that it too, is just apart of the hoax.

I have no problem with placing an issue or item like the LAP into an “unknown status” until future evidence comes forward to shed more light on that subject. But there is no rational way to classify any of it as being remotely real. Trying to do that, is just an exercise in wishful thinking.


It is over:

While a number of us know it was “over” some 2 years (or so) ago… it seems the debate is never over.

If there is anything (anything at all) worthy of being evidence for reality, bring it forward now, otherwise it sounds like we are being told about the “emperor’s new clothes,” and I can see nothing but the nudity of the argument.


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« Reply #1284 on: Jun 11th, 2009, 6:03pm »

on May 13th, 2009, 8:20pm, sympathizer44 wrote:
The first Drone on the internet was also the work of a father (engineer) and a son (CG) in my opinion.

on May 13th, 2009, 4:48pm, sympathizer44 wrote:
I believe a father son team of engineer and artist produced the original drones and it took off from there. Copycats followed maybe even Hollywood TV.

Hi again,

As I was looking back at your earlier posts that you made I have a question. So putting the Raj family connection aside (that Raj referenced), the specific nature of this implied father/son hoaxer association interested me and especially so as it’s more or less what I think except I evidently don’t have the relevant background to formulate such precise identities, and also as I think this is the first time I’ve heard it repeated in such a context.

Oh what a delicious irony that would be if the fabled ‘element of truth’ oft hypothesised about that was contained within the entire Drone debacle was part of Raj’s personal back-story!! laugh (Hell, I’d settle for that!! grin)

Anyway, my question was do you personally believe that they are located in or around the Avalon complex? Or are you in a position to hazard an (educated) guess as to their respective location/s?

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« Reply #1285 on: Jun 11th, 2009, 6:11pm »

The best advice for the "believers" that I have seen in a long time is just a few posts back, from Nev I think, and that is to read some good science fiction. Anyone who really thinks the Isaac stuff is "awesome" is in for a shock. Good sci-fi can be inspiring, terrifying, hilarious, challenging and even scientifically plausible all at the same time. Dive in! You will not regret it.
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« Reply #1286 on: Jun 11th, 2009, 6:12pm »

on Jun 11th, 2009, 12:36pm, sympathizer44 wrote:
Hoax - no hoax, someplace in ufology the Drones will always be discussed. Those who say it is a hoax maybe right, but those who say it is over are wrong. kiss


I see, you are very impotant! That's why I came back. Need very important persons.

So, what does this very important person have to say?
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« Reply #1287 on: Jun 11th, 2009, 6:13pm »

Sorry, just saw, I missed a letter... Uuups!
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« Reply #1288 on: Jun 11th, 2009, 6:38pm »

Don't worry about it Skiddreader. tongue
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« Reply #1289 on: Jun 11th, 2009, 7:02pm »

Father, son!!! You guys said no so away it go. No more waate time their.
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