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« Reply #15 on: Jan 24th, 2009, 02:05am »

on Jan 23rd, 2009, 11:40pm, hjdelight wrote:
Hi Doc! Just thought I'd stop by. You are still refing huh? Hi everyone! I'm going way back on this subject. I was a true believer too. I might still be but...since there's no resolving this and I don't care to argue....I just don't care anymore. Hopefully, time will resolve the legitamacy or falseness of the issue. Have fun! smiley

Hi HJ wink, great to hear from you again (dirty job but someone has to do it!!)

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« Reply #16 on: Jan 24th, 2009, 02:13am »

on Jan 24th, 2009, 12:15am, Radi wrote:
Please show YOUR analysis and why YOU think that Torvald was incorrect otherwise you are arguing for the sake of argument and bring nothing to the table...


I have already posted why torvald is off in his analysis, and others here agree that he is, are you arguing and bringing nothing to the table for the sake of argument?

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« Reply #17 on: Jan 24th, 2009, 05:12am »

on Jan 23rd, 2009, 8:57pm, Marvin wrote:
But can you cut down the mightiest tree in the forest with a herring?

Ni... grin


When I said I was a red herring or two, what I meant is the example of how *some* people here chase their tails in paranoid delusion thinking that those with any interest in this case are somehow complicit in the orchestration of this.

Just thinking across the spectrum in this case will cause *some* people to assume if you are not part of "their" solution, you are part of "the" problem.... And you can easily then be targeted as a "hoaxer" by the "hoax hunters". These are the red herrings I was speaking about. I've never puposely tried to steer anyone away from anyone unless I knew innocent parties were being attacked or threatened. I will always protect friends and even ex-friends from such malignment in this case.

This is wasteful, it is malicious, it is chasing your tail and does not help solve the case.

The truths to the drones and the witnesses are either on the surface or they are deeper under the surface of what we know. Is anyone so smart here that they know what these answers are and to stop looking? Only the guilty or the complicit would say stop looking IMO.. cheesy

And *Denise*, justice will be served (on you) the day you start bothering my family... LOL....

edit to add: {sniggles} Why do you think I live in England grin jk !
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« Reply #18 on: Jan 24th, 2009, 08:14am »

One glaring commonality that the photo witnesses share is their writing ability. Each testimony came as a well worded, descriptive story throwing in details of what they were doing, who they were with, how unbelievable the drone appeared, how they just want to know what the thing is......these were long descriptive paragraphs designed to set up the scenario for the sighting and to come off as more believable.

Why didn't Chad or Raj just say:

"I took these photos of this thing in the country side. What the hell is it? Thanks for any help or insight?"

Why add all the details of fiances, spouses, headaches, unborn children, dinner, parents, fear, friends, people in a car, etc..........and this is type of writing is from most every drone witness. Why relay so many details when in actuality, none of it needed to be there.

It is what writers call "The setting"

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Setting

Setting includes the place and time in which the story takes place. The setting should be described in specifics to make the story seem real, to set the atmosphere and mood of the story, to place limitations on the characters, or to help establish the basic conflict of the story. Weather can be an important part of setting.

The setting can be used for contrast, having something taking place in an unexpected place. Also, the more unfamiliar the reader is with the setting, the more interesting the setting.

SOURCE:http://www.homepages.dsu.edu/JANKEJ/writing/tips.htm

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Other Tips

In no particular order.

Be specific in your writing. The more specific the detail, the more real the story will seem to the reader.


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« Reply #19 on: Jan 24th, 2009, 08:41am »

And like any good writer they research the locations they write about. So all you hoaxers or wannabe's: Do your research of the location you want to see your UFO in. Then drop in some crackers or bits of such learned knowledge to reinforce the story and that the location is real. It also helps to pick areas that have some association with past strange events.
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« Reply #20 on: Jan 24th, 2009, 09:07am »

Tomi, the DRT will no longer be under suspicion when it stops behaving suspiciously. It really is as simple as that.
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« Reply #21 on: Jan 24th, 2009, 09:23am »

on Jan 24th, 2009, 08:41am, Katterfelto wrote:
And like any good writer they research the locations they write about. So all you hoaxers or wannabe's: Do your research of the location you want to see your UFO in. Then drop in some crackers or bits of such learned knowledge to reinforce the story and that the location is real. It also helps to pick areas that have some association with past strange events.


It would appear that several were involved, probably 3rd level participants, (plausible deniability again) probably given a set of digital photos and a basic script from which they were allowed and maybe even encouraged to embellish with local flavor. Once a following developed they were to back out and let the major protagonist(s) direct/facilitate further development and discourage hoax discussion/analysis.

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« Reply #22 on: Jan 24th, 2009, 10:05am »

Here’s a strange Raj(?) post comment to me anyway. Don’t know how much discussed back when the original post went up – hard to follow thread on OMF after some server problem back then.

13) I posted the pictures originally to Flickr beacuse I didn't know of any other way to get them online for public viewing and I have a lot of work friends that use it all the time for their own photos. As for Craigslist, it was the first idea that came to me when I tried to think of ways to ask a lot of people in the Capitola area if they saw this thing.

Again targeting Capitola. Makes no sense if he’s really looking for help but using a false location.

Several other of his post comments begin to look quirky too when given a fresh review.

Wonder if he told any of his work friends about his pictures?
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« Reply #23 on: Jan 24th, 2009, 10:21am »

I agree Gort/Katt and his is very much in line with fxriots/45letters premise of a collaborartive work of fiction, which helps assure some level of plausible deniability. 45letters had worked with the fringe group that actually helped spawn the concepts of spam mems and hoaxes. Most studios have that, several wrters, and the can contribute or sugggest to the narrative, plot, themes etc, of the primary writer. Here in this story , common writers techniques were used, and what I notice was unusual was the inclusion of hyphens, odd dashes as in Raj, Steph and TY , perhaps meant to distinguish, but actually in a way threads them togther, along with the other tools used. They all said they wanted to know desperatly , having been freaked out, what it was, but left no fowarding address so we could tell them it was fake.


Tomi again you want to bring the topic down to garbage, and impute erroneous motives that you so detest. it was you who threatened to bring in your family and even mentioned them in the first place for no apparent reason. Its you who seemes threatened by any stretch of the imagination.


on 01/21/2009 at 18:53:39, Denise wrote:I agree, maybe we can still try alternative methods to see if the case is real. I figure, lawyers are real smart too, and I found a psychic one at that!
I was reading the article and i noted COSC, what is that?Thats not the COS is it?
Is he any good? Maybe we should email him and ask him to take a crack at it.
http://www.victorzammit.com/articlesdavid/karenellis.htm


LOL.. wrong family.......!
btw.. my family take no prisoners or nonsense..
believe me..

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Read it again, If you had any kind of fibre you shouldn't have said that.
If anything , imo, they would most likely be genuinely embarrased by your position and disown you.
Are you on the run from something already?

I still do wonder wonder what that COSC is.




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« Reply #24 on: Jan 24th, 2009, 10:33am »

I don't think it needs to be that complicated. One person could easily have written all the "witness" accounts, the Isaac sci-fi, and the Raj forum postings. Pretty much all the witnesses were "freaked out" by their encounters, for example. All this would be a piece of cake for a decent TV scriptwriter, but then such a professional as that should have been able to handle several different literary voices a whole lot better. Maybe that's where the deniability comes in; it may have been contracted out like so many other tasks.

I was working on the above when I saw your post, Denise. Seems we are circling the most likely source of this business, in tighter and tighter spirals. laugh
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« Reply #25 on: Jan 24th, 2009, 10:37am »

The "want to believes" do not want this solved one way or the other. They actually don't care whether it is real or a hoax. Because these people dwell in their own reality. They like to speculate and postulate and recapitulate but the last thing they want is to accept a definitive reality, and it doesn't matter whether it is real or a hoax. Either way it cuts them off, their fabricated reality goes down the tubes. In their worlds they are free to speculate anything they want. It's like cultured oysters all they need is a substrate. A reality check for them is the worst thing that could happen and they don't care if it's a genuine population of little aliens riding inside one of those drones or a top-secret Army spy device or even a good-natured hoax. Once the truth is out their reality comes to a grinding halt and for most of them it's tantamount to a death in the family. At that point they lurk in the shadows waiting for the next fantasy opportunity.
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« Reply #26 on: Jan 24th, 2009, 10:40am »

Doubles
I understand that spiders, that fall on their own web, are unable to recover from them.
It would be so comforting to see that in action.
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« Reply #27 on: Jan 24th, 2009, 10:47am »

on Jan 24th, 2009, 09:07am, Double Nought Spy wrote:
Tomi, the DRT will no longer be under suspicion when it stops behaving suspiciously. It really is as simple as that.


Acting suspiciously?? You can carry that one to extremes you know... Any good prosecutor can have a grand jury "indict a ham sandwich" as you know....

So.. where does it end? rolleyes When does "acting normally", investigating drones, cross over into "acting suspiciously" for crying out loud huh

See what we all are up against here... grin grin grin

There is nothing "normal" in any of this ! If I have to remind any of us that... rolleyes Have you tried to explain any of this "saga" to anyone else in your life and not been met with "looks of suspicion" for being nuts??
Anyone out there? Just trying explaining "Denise" to a lay person and see what happens grin

Acting suspiciously... give me a break.. tongue

Just like the PI's need trust and the DRT need trust we need to provide trust and insight that will help them solve this case, not tear their efforts apart.
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« Reply #28 on: Jan 24th, 2009, 11:05am »

on Jan 24th, 2009, 10:47am, tomi01uk wrote:
Acting suspiciously?? You can carry that one to extremes you know... Any good prosecutor can have a grand jury "indict a ham sandwich" as you know....

So.. where does it end? rolleyes When does "acting normally", investigating drones, cross over into "acting suspiciously" for crying out loud huh

See what we all are up against here... grin grin grin

There is nothing "normal" in any of this ! If I have to remind any of us that... rolleyes Have you tried to explain any of this "saga" to anyone else in your life and not been met with "looks of suspicion" for being nuts??
Anyone out there? Just trying explaining "Denise" to a lay person and see what happens grin

Acting suspiciously... give me a break.. tongue

Just like the PI's need trust and the DRT need trust we need to provide trust and insight that will help them solve this case, not tear their efforts apart.


grin I rest my case.
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« Reply #29 on: Jan 24th, 2009, 11:53am »

on Jan 24th, 2009, 10:47am, tomi01uk wrote:
Just like the PI's need trust and the DRT need trust we need to provide trust and insight that will help them solve this case, not tear their efforts apart.


Trust is earned. It is not something one should just give. You have to prove you are trustworthy before being trusted!

Would you hand a complete stranger the keys to your home simply because he says "trust me"?

The DRT and their infamous PIs have done nothing to earn our trust. They have lied about locations and situations, fabricated evidence to suit their agenda and created backstories when facts did not match what they desired.....basically stole the silverware after you handed them the keys darling!
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