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« Reply #240 on: Feb 6th, 2009, 5:37pm »

Thank you Radii of the ARC for finding the 2007 attempt by DRT Onze/11A/Frenchman77 to find the elusive script that would debunk the unbolters aka debunkers cgi attempts at that time in sep 2007. As we know now the Canadian team prob OTF and SpF33 were very happy they thought they found the cure for what had not yet even fully surfaced. But I note at the end, that Onze has not taken the training wheels off his script yet, as problems remained.
http://tinyurl.com/bb27c9 2007
The Real French pros talk back
http://www.box.net/shared/o5pkc87tgu 2008

Now for some z's.

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« Reply #241 on: Feb 6th, 2009, 7:59pm »

Hi again Denise,

As you already know the trust is mutual and regarding the Drones being unresolved, well, seeing as it was me talking to you I assumed that the hoax aspect was a no-brainer and was in fact also referring to the identity of the hoaxer/s. Personally Im at least as if not more- interested in the motivation, which I admit is irrelevant but annoyingly intriguing. However I suspect that if their identity is ever known then the reason will become obvious and I for one would be satisfied and not remotely surprised if it really was, Just for the hell of it.

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« Reply #242 on: Feb 6th, 2009, 11:30pm »

Speaking of "Just for the hell of it", here is an interesting read!

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Hoaxes have been a useful tool for testing observational skills and the investigational abilities of ufologists. They have clearly illustrated that humans see what they want to see and that the quality of UFO investigations is generally very poor indeed.


Click the quoted text for the full article.
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« Reply #243 on: Feb 6th, 2009, 11:45pm »

on Feb 6th, 2009, 5:37pm, Denise wrote:
Thank you Radii of the ARC for finding the 2007 attempt by DRT Onze/11A/Frenchman77 to find the elusive script that would debunk the unbolters aka debunkers cgi attempts at that time in sep 2007. As we know now the Canadian team prob OTF and SpF33 were very happy they thought they found the cure for what had not yet even fully surfaced. But I note at the end, that Onze has not taken the training wheels off his script yet, as problems remained.
http://tinyurl.com/bb27c9 2007
The Real French pros talk back
http://www.box.net/shared/o5pkc87tgu 2008

Now for some z's.

zzzzzzz......zzzzzzzz.....zzzzzzz,,,,,,zzzzz


Glad to have found it.. grin smiley
As you know they can script and write code all day but nothing beats the well seasoned vets of graphics.......The eyes are better then the if/and/ors.......

on Feb 6th, 2009, 7:59pm, DrDil wrote:
Hi again Denise,

As you already know the trust is mutual and regarding the Drones being unresolved, well, seeing as it was me talking to you I assumed that the hoax aspect was a no-brainer and was in fact also referring to the identity of the hoaxer/s. Personally Im at least as if not more- interested in the motivation, which I admit is irrelevant but annoyingly intriguing. However I suspect that if their identity is ever known then the reason will become obvious and I for one would be satisfied and not remotely surprised if it really was, Just for the hell of it.

Cheers. smiley

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Yep I am in this category also Dr...I would not be surprised either if it was for fun and the hell of it......A partial quote from Kojak....
"Its about as exciting as a wet firecracker"
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« Reply #244 on: Feb 7th, 2009, 12:55am »

You're quite welcome Radii, together with Syscos it gave almost a historical perspective as seeing it thru their eyes, but the focus seemed, as I interpreted it as looking to produce one result despite the caveats involved.

Remember the ummo hoax, there was a French Physicist, extraordinarily talented who is or was a follower or sympathiser/believer .
I wonder if this incident was passed to him for his opinion?It would have been interesting, as he already believes tthe US has very xotic weaponry and devices.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Pierre_Petit
He even earli in the sixties helped develop Cad software. But his work on Plasma control and dveices , and even Coanda effects, supersonic flight without shockwaves, resulted in some success. In effects some of his concepts can be used to devise a device, that can be used to trigger hydrogen bombs that do not require a fission trigger. Aneutronic fission.

He has a great site ufo science. I will have to canvass some of his work to see if anything was borrowed in content or design.
Anyway Its a neat read.

But again, I wonder what his thoughts on Caret were. It would seem obvious Ovnis would have consulted him and we would have heard by now but I could be wrong.
If they did, perhaps his answer having worked on rocketry, Frances first nuclear ICBM, Cern, and a slew of classified engineering projects, that would tell him looking at Isaacs story, whether there was anything of substance to it.
But, to me thats the same Like not consulting with Professional forensics people,
Not revealing simple basic the Raj Location, not disclosing the whole restaurant matter, not revealing the reporter identity, etc, tells us what they actually do know already, and what they don't want us to know, then what they actually don't really know. For such an organization,

If they told us what is obvious to us on the "outside" it would be

Fin

For them on the "inside".

C'yas soon.

Oh Radii here is a div share link to some of those files i mentioned. I'm sure you have them already.
http://www.divshare.com/download/2429373-b53

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« Reply #245 on: Feb 7th, 2009, 5:32pm »

Hi Denise. grin
I looked at those links for the image analysis but I know no French and the translations sort of reminds me of Pig Latin!
And I really despise RAR with a royal passion. tongue About as much as doing my yearly taxes I've just started on.

Any idea what the analysis method was they were trying? Looks like some technique to count the number of colors and make some conclusion based on CGI having a smaller color space vs. reality?? undecided

Things (drone talk) seems slow for some reason today. Wonder why.
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« Reply #246 on: Feb 7th, 2009, 6:02pm »

Hi Katt,
Rad and 1111 know, but they DRT were told that using such a method would not tell them anything, as there would not be enough pixels left over after eliminating the garbage. They officially knew that since april 2008. Thats why you need eyes, and years of experience to gauge , and plenty of such experts told them.

The link I gave to the boxnet file 2008 has the translation, but you have to tuff it out a tad thanks to Babel..but the last 3 paragraphs explain it well.

Yes all is suddenly very quiet on the western front.
Or maybe like Whitley who gave them a second chance, last year, Linda will surprise us all give them a third. That last c2c prg did nothing to bolster confidence in an event of near biblical proportions. She essentially left it in the boondoggle land. Not a mention, nor a whisper nor a peep for a whole 3 hours about drones was heard.
She is the only one I know with "hard evidence" those hi res photos, and the full names addresses of the actors, like Ty, and Chad in the production.

For someone caught holding the "bag" she was hellishly bent on holding on to it, pushing the matter even further., with more "witnesses". Odd for a victim of a disinfo campaign as she alluded to once, to hoard hoaxed evidence, and do nothing other than promote the hoax, rather than expose it as a future warning to all such attempts at singling her out.
That would be right in line with her educational tax exempt status and mission statement.
Earthfiles is an educational division of the non-profit Ancient Wisdom Foundation (501-c-3) concerning research in archaeology, anthropology, geology, physics and all other scientific efforts to understand the modern mysteries and ancient pasts of Egypt and other earth civilizations.

So it seems exposing a myth or doing the right thing is not included in there.

Yes, Sadly, no bows, no encore, no se la vi's or education on this hoax, from her or anyone in her camp..

If we have a genuine 'loose end' or "dark horse", after discounting everything else, its her.




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« Reply #247 on: Feb 8th, 2009, 08:27am »

Silence appears an ally now. lipsrsealed

A few years more and it will be a bigger blur radius and the answers (if any) will be accepted. What other pictures? Cant find them. Dont recall having anything else. Everything was released. What investigation? grin Did not want to interfere. They never got back to anyone, etc. Everything will be forgiven. A future footnote of a footnote with faded memories making things all fine again.

Id, at least, have expected some statements about requested privacy of witnesses as being one reason for not providing more details. But not even that or other CYA measures that usually work. Just dead silence Maybe expecting a thorough check and investigation of this type story before and after publishing it is just being nave on my part. embarassed

Its really a smart move. You cant get bogged down in clear yes/nos or real/fake in this business. Keeping everything a mystery and severing ties seems the only option unless some kind of admission is made. A real admission takes guts.

Not too many follow-ups and retractions in this field from what I see. I read silence as the unspoken signal it is. undecided Heck, if the person who apparently got the scoop shows no apparent interest a year + later the message should be pretty clear as to the most probable reason(s) why. Unfortunately, every bizarre other possible reason will be thrown up as a defense by supporters. Sometimes I think we live on Bizarro. rolleyes

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« Reply #248 on: Feb 8th, 2009, 12:40pm »

haha Thats why we have Dronehoax.com just like UFO watchdog.com which just joined with the Paracast.com that exposed that fraud Bill Nellis. Took time but they got him.
Future generations will see her name tagged to some really unethical and allegedly "gullible"behavior.
and Her funding sources might have issues with association with someone like that in the longrun.
Whatever good she did at one time is now outweighed by the last few hoaxes, sadly. Maybe she can still straighten that but I think she is out of time on this one.Thats only my opinion of course. People forget the good, but remember the bad. Its part of our danger warning system, or internal survival makeup.
Thats good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYfM-frIWlQ
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« Reply #249 on: Feb 8th, 2009, 2:16pm »

on Feb 8th, 2009, 12:40pm, Denise wrote:
haha Thats why we have Dronehoax.com just like UFO watchdog.com which just joined with the Paracast.com that exposed that fraud Bill Nellis. Took time but they got him.


Yep, at work we call those "Sanity Checks"!
I wonder if Skeptical Inquirer weighed in on any of this yet? They were a decent read years ago when I subscribed to their mag but have not heard much from them as of late. I always liked some of their experiments. They did tend to branch off a bit with the humanist athiest stuff. Randi's Flim Flam was OK and maybe the Drone hoaxers studied those Cottingley Fairies for inspiration. grin
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« Reply #250 on: Feb 9th, 2009, 07:31am »

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« Reply #254 on: Feb 9th, 2009, 8:23pm »

All good weavers of tales wear Fruit of the Loom
not meant for your ordinary "garden variety"Hoax tongue

Kudos to Woy and the decoding. He is a code/scripter par excellent, based on what Sys told me, and I saw for myself. This will be enjoyable. Beats the recycling of DRTs growing misdeeds any time. One week or so he said,
I do hope its not Say AH then Swallow.. cheesy
That was sooo funny..:

I still wonder why SPF33 a super professional, who works in advertising and with fonts, images, and virals, game art, etc all the time, his living actually..

found it so "difficult" to come to terms with the alien fonts, the whole thing actually being anything other then man made.
To gauge the depth of his experience, as Sys already showed you his talent,
I will you one of his affiliations
http://www.youworkforthem.com/blog/
http://www.youworkforthem.com filled with oodles and oodles of videos, click videos, blog etc on upper left corner.
How can anyone keep such a straight face in such an obvious hoax. It boggles the mind.

We should make a list of FUQ , albeit phonetically disturbing as the FUQ List, is quite acceptable.make sure to put underneathFrequently UnAnswered Questions.
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