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« Reply #285 on: Feb 12th, 2009, 7:39pm »

on Feb 12th, 2009, 7:06pm, DrDil wrote:
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What else do you expect from such an open minded and scientific group. wink

Didn't they say that they never ban any guest?

I do not know who they think they are fooling (except themselves)... anyone who reads the post of most of the members that post here or at OMF or the DRT will know which way the wind blows drone flies. The DRT site is a friendly place really... well, kind of, to most people really, that agree with them. wink

11A thought I visited the site, and then figured that I do not (not sure how he can tell this). I do not bother to visit... it is too difficult to find things and therefore of no value as a research tool. I have not been there in a very long time. It turned into an opinion center and gossip site the day it opened that clogs things up.
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« Reply #286 on: Feb 12th, 2009, 7:49pm »

The DRT site is a joke, just like all the rest of it. We all know who the players are and exactly what kind of flapdoodle they spew. We are just trying to figure out who it is pulls their strings. I must admit that I am beginning to not even care about that. Nobody pays any attention to them (except us), and everybody got to make a livin' somehow. wink


Though it is kind of fun watching them try to worm their way out of the corner they have painted themselves into. grin
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« Reply #287 on: Feb 12th, 2009, 7:57pm »

Yosemite, I always admire a man that does not shoot blanks grin
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« Reply #288 on: Feb 12th, 2009, 8:06pm »

Regarding the (paraphrased by 10358) “Open mind” quote that started this latest discussion:

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“I try to keep an open mind, but not so open that my brains fall out.”

There’s actually quite a few that echo the exact same sentiment:

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“The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it.”

“You can have such an open mind that it is too porous to hold a conviction.”

“An open mind is all very well in its way, but it ought not to be so open that there is no keeping anything in or out of it. It should be capable of shutting its doors sometimes, or it may be found a little draughty.”

“An open mind, like an open window, should be screened to keep the bugs out”

“If we keep an open mind, too much is likely to fall into it.”


And my personal favourite wink by George Bernard Shaw:

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“The open mind never acts:
When we have done our utmost to arrive at a reasonable conclusion,
We still - must close our minds for the moment with a snap,
And act dogmatically on our conclusions.”


Cheers. grin
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« Reply #289 on: Feb 12th, 2009, 8:56pm »

I remember the old days when Numbers appeared at OM on Valentines day, 2007 and wasn't but a few days later demonstrated his incredible and staggering inability to comprehend the obvious in response to a poster with an opinion on some flaws of a mexican ufo.

Poster..quote:Emmmmm sorry im going Hoax on these iv seen them before just somthing about them thats not right to me,Ie the close up of the first pic the windows look lobsided to me especialy the window faceing us looks as if its on a slant and i think it looks like a model and not a good one.

Numbers in great form:
I thought the window/vent was lopsided too. I'm not sure if this proves it's a hoax. Maybe the window only appears that way from our perspective. I remember the Mexico City UFO video where everyone claimed hoax because the object wobbled. Who's to say UFOs cannot wobble? Maybe the craft was not stable because of a gyro malfunction.
Gyro malfunction?

I ran across this youtube on openminds and found it so precious. smiley
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFO6ZhUW38w
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« Reply #290 on: Feb 12th, 2009, 10:20pm »

THIS ITEM HAS BEEN SUCH A DIVISIVE REALITY...IT TO A DEGREE HAS PITTED MANY GOOD RESEARCHERS AGAINST THEIR FELLOW BROTHER IN THE SEARCH FOR TRUTH...
I MUST SAY "OMF" ALONG WITH IT'S SPINOFF GROUPS HAS MANY BRIGHT AND INSIGHTFUL PEOPLE.

NOW THAT MUCH OF THE EVIDENCE HAS BEEN PERUSED BY THOSE WHOM WERE HERETOFORE ADAMANT THAT THIS WAS NOT A HOAX...AND THOSE HAVING FACTORED SAME ARE LEANING TO THE VALIDITY OF A "HOAX"...I SAY IT MIGHT BE TIME TO CUT SOME SLACK.

MANY MEMBERS AT "OMF" ARE MEMBERS HERE AND HAVE CONTRIBUTED GREATLY IN OTHER AREAS OTHER THAN THE DRONE DEBACLE...THERFORE TO ISOLATE THOSE AND INHIBIT ANY FUTURE CONTRIBUTIONS WOULD BE AN INCALCULABLE LOSS...
IF THE POINT IS MADE...RUBBING ONES FACE IN THE MUCK OF ANOTHERS SELF SATISFACTION IS COUNTER PRODUCTIVE...IMHO...

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A "FACE SAVING POSITION" TENDERED TO THOSE WHOM ARE LEANING TO THE REALITY OF A "HOAX"

WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN A CIVIL CADRE AT UFO CASEBOOK AND I THINK THIS CIVILTY IS WHAT ATTRACTS THE QUALITY MEMBERSHIP WE HAVE.
I ALSO HAVE SEEN SOME OF THE STAUNCHEST BELIEVERS LEAN TOWARD THE ASPECT OF "HOAX"...THAT TELLS ME THE EVIDENCE WAS WELL RESEARCHED AND DONE SO IN A PROFESSIONAL AND CLASSY MANNER...
THAT CLASS CAN ALSO BE DEMONSTRATED IN OTHER WAYS AND TO DIGITALLY SHAKE HANDS WITH THOSE THAT FOUGHT A GOOD FIGHT AND REMIND EACH OTHER THAT THEY ARE ON THE SAME TEAM IN THE SEARCH FOR TRUTH...MIGHT GO A LONG WAY wink

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« Reply #291 on: Feb 12th, 2009, 10:33pm »

The DRT will get more "slack" than they ever dreamed of from me and everyone else still here the moment they stop playing games.
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« Reply #292 on: Feb 12th, 2009, 10:50pm »

HEY Y'SAM,
THAT'S COOL...I'M ADDRESSING THE FEW WHOM ARE LEANING IN THE HOAX DIRECTION.
NO QUESTION THERE ARE THOSE WHOM ARE COMMITTED THE OTHER WAY...TRAGIC BUT TRUE...

YOU AND I BOTH KNOW...THE GAMES WILL BE VETTED OUT wink

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« Reply #293 on: Feb 12th, 2009, 11:20pm »

Zetar,
I look foward when we can turn our swords into plowshares too.
I remember when they found the Rajpole, we all congratulated that. based on how they said they did it.
It was a salute to their intelligence and skill.

I know they are highly intelligent, thats perhaps why they are held to higher standard and were trusted at one time, before they barricaded themselves, and then they used it to subvert or ignore intelligent questions and to lower the standards we use to keep us from getting bamboozled by charlatans.and that is where we part ways with them.

Everything seems to be done to protect some hidden person or entity, whether its them, a movie, or even some ARG , not so much to spare embarassment. That is most troubling from my perspective.

It is same thing Linda does, and other ufo celebrities.
Can we continue to survive as a community, or even hope to change how these people do us that count on them to be honest brokers of information?

Vallet was right, predicting ufo groups would adopt deception themselves, making them no better than those that keep the truth from us. We face more sophisticated enemies than ever before.

Anyway discretion is the better part of valor, so I will ignore the silly posts at DRT. and look foward to us finding the truth, as we did with Jeddy andthe hard work of so many like Marvin, Torvald, 1111, and of course the ARC.

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« Reply #294 on: Feb 12th, 2009, 11:46pm »

HEY DENISE,
INSPIRATIONAL...SWORDS INTO PLOWSHARES...THE MIND SET MUST BE CHANGED TO ALLOW SUCH TO OCCUR...
I REALLY THINK THE TRAGEDY WAS AS YOU SAID...THE PURVEYORS OF THE TRUTH..."LMH"...REFUSED TO ADMIT THAT SHE TOO WAS CAUGHT IN THE WEB OF DECEPTION...TO DO SUCH WOULD BE A MARK AGAINST HER CREDIBILITY...
IF SHE WOULD HAVE SAID SHE WAS MISLEAD BY A TRULY WELL PLACED HOAX... MANY I'M SURE WOULD BE FORGIVING...NOW THAT IT HAS PLAYED OUT WITHOUT HER INPUT...THAT CLEARLY RAISES QUESTIONS OF HER MOTIVATION FOR NOT COMING FORWARD...

YOU HAVE A NATURAL GIFT FOR SAYING THINGS THE WAY THEY SHOULD BE...BEAUTIFUL POST MY FRIEND wink

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« Reply #295 on: Feb 13th, 2009, 07:22am »

As a group they exhibit all the characteristics of the "want to believe"; even in the face of overwhelming argument. While these types of people are scattered about in the various forums they are conveniently all gathered here (DRT).

That such a collective group think is so misguided, the psychological factors beg determination. The psychology of this group think would make such an interesting study.

A graduate psychology student could easily develop a Ph.D. thesis on this.

And this kind of groupthink applies to many other situations besides the drones or UFOs and there is much to be learned, because this kind of misdirected cohesion can affect political decisions or other important aspects germane to society in general.

Political or societal leaders should be able to recognize the characteristics of the "want to believe" groupthink. They should be taken into consideration when political or societal leaders address an issue of public concern and somebody comes forth with a proposition or a rationale exhibiting all of these characteristics.

I just wonder how many important decisions have been led astray by this kind of behavior from this kind of collective "want to believe" groupthink?


It really cries out for a psychological study.
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« Reply #296 on: Feb 13th, 2009, 08:42am »

Hey Zetar!

Quit being a stranger! I alway enjoy your input.




on Feb 13th, 2009, 07:22am, Gort wrote:
It really cries out for a psychological study.



Some time ago... this is one of the possibilities I thought about which maybe behind the Big Basin Drones. That it is a psychological study possibly carried out from a certain University in San Jose. You have location, you resources, you have motive... just a possibility in my opinion.
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« Reply #297 on: Feb 13th, 2009, 08:49am »

Nemo states today on DRT forum:

"Such an attack is unfair : OMF Admins have a difficult task
with the narrow-minded people. Even a co-Admin
realized that he was not up to the standards and resigned. "


I want Nemo to understand that he has no idea what he is talking about. I resigned my position because of you, Nemo, and your incessant complaining to the OMF Admin staff about my pro hoax stance. Unlike you, I was man enough to realize there was a conflict of interest so I resigned completely from OMF staff in order to end your complaints about me voicing an opposing viewpoint. You, on the other hand, continued to use your moderator status to try and quiet any opposition to a drone reality until OM staff finally decided that you should not moderate the Drone board at OMF. But the damage was already done. Conflict of interest meant nothing to you.

Try at some point in your life to get a clue.
You remind me of a French version of a male Linda Moulton Howe.

This will be the last time I acknowledge the DRT or their forum. Their endless agenda driven propaganda campaign is now well known. All that is left is to just ignore them. My apologies to Casebook for letting this spill over here.
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on Feb 13th, 2009, 08:49am, Jeddyhi wrote:
You remind me of a French version of a male Linda Moulton Howe.


What a joke this vile french piece of shite is!! Unfortunately I am sure your intended insult will be taken as a compliment by this repulsive excuse for a human being!!

It is truly sad that OMF chose Nemo over one of their own.......that was a sad day for what was once a great forum!!
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« Reply #299 on: Feb 13th, 2009, 09:41am »

Speaking of interesting subjects for study, I have finally decided that Bren is either on the take, as it were, or he is just plain crazy. His erratic behavior over the past year and more seems to indicate the latter.

As for Nemo, why does anyone with a brain pay any attention to that arse'ole? He's as phony as they come.
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