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« Reply #30 on: Jan 24th, 2009, 2:24pm »

on Jan 24th, 2009, 11:53am, TheShadow wrote:
Trust is earned. It is not something one should just give. You have to prove you are trustworthy before being trusted!


Well... maybe I disagree there with you about having to "earn" things like trust and respect.

I give everyone respect without them having to "earn" it. Just the same way I give every child respect smiley.

And with regards to trust, I trust more in the good in people than in the bad. I don't know one person who is perfect or even close. We all have different capacities too. We all have different values, but what is good in the end always wins out eventually. That I believe in and trust.

Bad exists, guarding against it is necessary, but I would rather have someone prove they couldn't be trusted to me first, then me initially judge everyone so harshly. Character is everything here. The DRT and the PI's have good character with subjective opinions like everyone else.

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Would you hand a complete stranger the keys to your home simply because he says "trust me"?


If he was a liscensed PI and my peace of mind or business depended on his services...... yes smiley

edit to add: the fact that people in the DRT and the PI's practice discretion, they aren't on the boards blabing away, the hold on to confidencialities and tracks of investigation and tell NO ONE is more proof than not of TRUST! In the higher sense smiley


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« Reply #31 on: Jan 24th, 2009, 3:01pm »

Your little game of semantics does nothing to make anyone with some sense to take you seriously. We all know the score here, and you are just making yourself look sillier.
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« Reply #32 on: Jan 24th, 2009, 3:41pm »

on Jan 24th, 2009, 2:24pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Well... maybe I disagree there with you about having to "earn" things like trust and respect.

I give everyone respect without them having to "earn" it. Just the same way I give every child respect smiley.

And with regards to trust, I trust more in the good in people than in the bad. I don't know one person who is perfect or even close. We all have different capacities too. We all have different values, but what is good in the end always wins out eventually. That I believe in and trust.

Bad exists, guarding against it is necessary, but I would rather have someone prove they couldn't be trusted to me first, then me initially judge everyone so harshly. Character is everything here. The DRT and the PI's have good character with subjective opinions like everyone else.



If he was a liscensed PI and my peace of mind or business depended on his services...... yes smiley

edit to add: the fact that people in the DRT and the PI's practice discretion, they aren't on the boards blabing away, the hold on to confidencialities and tracks of investigation and tell NO ONE is more proof than not of TRUST! In the higher sense smiley




All of the above just goes to show how gullible some are!!

Just because someone holds a license does not make them trustworthy.......look at all the recent arrests and news of licensed people swindling those that trusted them out of BILLIONS!!

In this world and especially in UFOlogy trust NO ONE until that trust has been earned!!!

Edit to add: I never said anything about respect!! Why do you try to make it sound as if they are one and the same.....I can respect someone i do not trust but i could never trust someone i do not respect!
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« Reply #33 on: Jan 24th, 2009, 3:56pm »

on Jan 24th, 2009, 2:24pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Well... maybe I disagree there with you about having to "earn" things like trust and respect.

I give everyone respect without them having to "earn" it. Just the same way I give every child respect smiley.

And with regards to trust, I trust more in the good in people than in the bad. I don't know one person who is perfect or even close. We all have different capacities too. We all have different values, but what is good in the end always wins out eventually. That I believe in and trust.

Bad exists, guarding against it is necessary, but I would rather have someone prove they couldn't be trusted to me first, then me initially judge everyone so harshly. Character is everything here. The DRT and the PI's have good character with subjective opinions like everyone else.



If he was a liscensed PI and my peace of mind or business depended on his services...... yes smiley

edit to add: the fact that people in the DRT and the PI's practice discretion, they aren't on the boards blabing away, the hold on to confidencialities and tracks of investigation and tell NO ONE is more proof than not of TRUST! In the higher sense smiley




Tomi, like Shads says you may be very gullible, but your post above also shows your beautiful soul. kiss

I believe in the good as well, but I am constantly on guard for the not so good...... the tricksters and hoaxers, the con artist, and the not so honest anonymous witness!

All debate and drone things aside, your alright in my book. You always have been! wink
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« Reply #34 on: Jan 24th, 2009, 3:58pm »

on Jan 24th, 2009, 3:41pm, TheShadow wrote:
Edit to add: I never said anything about respect!! Why do you try to make it sound as if they are one and the same.....I can respect someone i do not trust but i could never trust someone i do not respect!


Shads, those are words of wisdom, my friend! I feel exactly the same way! smiley
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« Reply #35 on: Jan 24th, 2009, 4:25pm »

on Jan 24th, 2009, 3:56pm, Jeddyhi wrote:
....your post above also shows your beautiful soul. kiss


All debate and drone things aside, your alright in my book. You always have been! wink


Agreed. Personally i like Tomi. She seems to be good people.

I do enjoy getting her riled up though.....not as much as i liked getting numbers going mind you.....but its still fun!!
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« Reply #36 on: Jan 24th, 2009, 5:17pm »

on Jan 24th, 2009, 4:25pm, TheShadow wrote:
Agreed. Personally i like Tomi. She seems to be good people.

I do enjoy getting her riled up though.....not as much as i liked getting numbers going mind you.....but its still fun!!


Oh embarassed you guys are too much .. thx.. kiss
Been thinking about the trust aspect above and how none of us are perfect so how do we apply trust to each other. Maybe we judge by an innate instinct about their character along with the rote of habit.

And since we are talking about "rote of habit"...
maybe we can always trust numbers to be the wind up guy.. smiley wink And then I find it's me too smiley All of us.
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« Reply #37 on: Jan 24th, 2009, 6:09pm »

What are you talking about Tomi? Have you forgotten that this case proven hoax by cold objective analysis, not trust or emotions.,basically supporting the conclusions of the experts, like fxmodels and Biedny, that DRT resented in the very beginning and to this day. Cool independent analysis of by members, DRT now calls debunkers.
Trust? thats laughable, coming from your side, when every subsequent scrap of information had to literally be beat from your quarter with a silly stick, not because you volunteered anything, but what was ever offered turned out to be lame. Always a part of something, never the whole.
If we used trust as the guiding principle, why we would all be chums, allowing for all the lies and deceptions, and maybe even helped you create excuses and explain aways. Marveling at the pseudo science as presented by 11A and other.Thats what I see as rote habit in this case.
That is not my way nor any members way who you and others in your camp, cavalierly deemed debunkers. You try to distance yourself from them, trying to be a peace maker, present a neutral facade.
You mention Numbers, need I bring up a quote I found from you that said whoever messes with Numbers, messes with you. No, You remember, and so do others there. I believe Double was present, and Sid/reader

You are such a good weaver and propaganda deciever but would better at that if you did not conveniently forget, the analysts established tampering, and the rest found the lying. Tampering, and lying, with one or more, is Hoax. but you want us to trust, and forget that.
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Imo opinion, none of you can be trusted, and it would, given the rote history on the record, be foolish to do so.
But you are free to believe, whatever you wish, or want to call the the golden calf.
Trust , sugar, has nothing to do with the solutions already found, and yet to be completed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaMwvCVO01s

To all the swell folks here I will have to be returning to work Monday. And I have taken on a second Job at night.Things R tuff here, and while this was a blast, I have that reality to contend with. So I don't know if I will have time to jump in anymore., as I will be cutting off cable service.
If my customers let me play with their laptops in the cafeteria, then maybe I can drop in.

Luv yaz all
Especially those Arc Boyz
xxMuack!xx





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« Reply #38 on: Jan 24th, 2009, 6:17pm »

Is this a drone topic or a spotlight on Tomi topic?

We all know this hoax is dead.

DRT just needs to confirm the Sun direction on the telephone pole, which wont compromise their investigation. It will then settle all the CGI arguments.

I can only think of ONE reason why DRT is holding this information back.... and it isn't for security.

Just do it DRT, tell us the Sun direction of the pole. It wont hurt anything.
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« Reply #39 on: Jan 24th, 2009, 6:27pm »

As Shads said, trust is earned. So is distrust. Again, we all know the score.
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« Reply #40 on: Jan 24th, 2009, 6:27pm »

quote Nev Is this a drone topic or a spotlight on Tomi topic?

We all know this hoax is dead.

DRT just needs to confirm the Sun direction on the telephone pole, which wont compromise their investigation. It will then settle all the CGI arguments.

I can only think of ONE reason why DRT is holding this information back.... and it isn't for security.

Just do it DRT, tell us the Sun direction of the pole. It wont hurt anything. unquote


Hugz neveleven, thats exactly the type of question they love to avoid and are deathly afraid of. Thats why they have keep the spotlight on Tomi , and not any question which can yield answers. UCB should consider implementing an ignore button. Just a suggestion, thats all.

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« Reply #41 on: Jan 24th, 2009, 6:56pm »

Denise, I think the Xena avatar suits you well! Here is a bigger one I made just for you, if you want to use it. laugh

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x215/doublenoughtspy/XenaSword-1.jpg

Also worth a look, the Xena School of Management quiz:

http://www.valhenson.org/xena_management.html
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« Reply #42 on: Jan 24th, 2009, 6:57pm »

on Jan 24th, 2009, 6:09pm, Denise wrote:
To all the swell folks here I will have to be returning to work Monday. And I have taken on a second Job at night.Things R tuff here, and while this was a blast, I have that reality to contend with. So I don't know if I will have time to jump in anymore., as I will be cutting off cable service.
If my customers let me play with their laptops in the cafeteria, then maybe I can drop in.

Luv yaz all
Especially those Arc Boyz
xxMuack!xx


Take care girl and donít work too hard on that 2nd job and donít catch anything off anyoneís laptops. grin
Maybe someone will drop in who can fill your shoes (or dress) here. laugh laugh laugh
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« Reply #43 on: Jan 24th, 2009, 7:22pm »

smiley Denise, yeah it appears to be that way. Almost like they have a motive.

Another question they are avoiding is, "If Raj was truly trying to stay anonymous, then why did he even mention his family?".

Seriously, all good lies have an element of truth, it's called the bait. The only reality of this drone, is that it was probably inspired by other ideas, and thoughts. This "hint of truth" mixed with lies is what causes people to be gullible. As it makes it easier to believe something when it is similar to something you already believe in.



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« Reply #44 on: Jan 24th, 2009, 7:37pm »

on Jan 24th, 2009, 6:09pm, Denise wrote:
What are you talking about Tomi? Trust? thats laughable, coming from your side, when every subsequent scrap of information had to literally be beat from your quarter with a silly stick, not because you volunteered anything, but what was ever offered turned out to be lame. Always a part of something, never the whole.


Would you expect anything more from people investigating this? Let me say.. I want to know as much as anyone else... and as close as I am to people, I DO NOT TRESPASS nor have I EVER YET asked anyone a question about this case. I would like to be on the inside.. and if there is anything for me to do to help I will. But EVEN I DO NOT ASK QESTIONS that don't concern me. You ask anyone later on if that's true or not. I suggest for the sake respect, you try to adjust to:

A: That is the way I am and the way everyone needs to be with confidenciality.
B: I don't know anything I don't have any right to know. And I don't ask.

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btw, denise.. you've had your hair done.. it looks nice laugh {sniggles}
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