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« Reply #345 on: Feb 18th, 2009, 09:09am »

on Feb 18th, 2009, 08:59am, Gort wrote:
December 29, and even now numbers says it’s following the power lines, took them this long for the reality to sink in.


Say Denial much


Heh. It's almost like they can't stray very far from the official script, for some reason.
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« Reply #346 on: Feb 18th, 2009, 10:03am »

The actual location of the pole is 160 Kennedy Ave Campbell CA.

The pole (click on me).


Pole and Streetlight (click on me).


Do you know the way to San Jose (click on me)?


Is it just me or are all of the known locations on or next to a major highway (so that it is easy to pull off and snap a few photos)?
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« Reply #347 on: Feb 18th, 2009, 10:06am »

Makes me wonder what else they know but aren't sayinghuh
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« Reply #348 on: Feb 18th, 2009, 11:02am »

Well, I of course have concerns about the authenticity of Raj's testimony as it relates to the location that has been revealed. My biggest concern is that the area is surrounded by businesses, mostly of the automotive nature. The EXIF data says that the pic was taken on May 16, 2007....a Wednesday afternoon at 5:42pm. Most of the businesses on Kennedy Ave closed at 5:00pm. Which means that rush hour traffic was in full flow and that many folks were either on their way home or were already home, firing up outdoor grills or mowing the grass, etc....plenty of outdoor people to witness a drone.

Down the street a short block is a school with a playground. Downtown Campbell is less than a half mile from the pole location....in other words, it would seem to reason that if a drone actually flew over the area in question, at that time of day on a wednesday afternoon, travelling slowly, numerous witnesses would have seen it. Reports would have flooded the police lines, it would have been in the paper, etc! This is not a secluded neighborhood. It is right along side Highway 17 (again lol). Raj supplied photos that depict distance so the drone was supposedly passing over a large urban area in broad daylight.

This seems unlikely as no reports from Campbell have surfaced. No drone sightings reported. Nothing.

As far as I am concerned, the case is fraudulent. Any hope of a drone reality has been killed by the facts as they lay.

Determining the who and the why and the how should be the main goal now. Realistically, debate over hoax or reality should be over.

One more thing bothers me a bit......a telephone pole over twenty miles from Capitola in a town that has never been previously referenced is found using Google Earth. You can create as much script as you want, you can use as much grid searching as you like, but it still boils down to not just finding a needle in a haystack but finding a particular needle in a pile of needles....it just seems to incredible to believe and somewhat scripted, IMO!
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« Reply #349 on: Feb 18th, 2009, 11:40am »

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A common link has been found between TSCC and Serenity. Kristen Branan, head of production at Zoic Studios.

Thank you ProblemChild for putting me on the trail.



http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1245335/combined
TSCC "Earthlings Welcome Here" (2008): Visual Effects by Kristen Branan
.... head of production: Zoic Studios


http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0104313/
Visual Effects:
"Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" (2008) TV series (head of production: Zoic Studios) (unknown episodes)
Serenity (2005) (head of production: Zoic Studios)


Edit to add link:

http://www.zoicstudios.com/Web/About/TheCompany/People.aspx?ID=6

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« Reply #350 on: Feb 18th, 2009, 11:46am »

Hey EnlightenSeeker...

If you are still lurking, you may be right after all. wink

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« Reply #351 on: Feb 18th, 2009, 12:06pm »

How could all those businesses miss seeing a floating ceiling fan on Kennedy Ave,
All those business like right there at that spot is British connections, Legendary Motor Cars, ( rolls, astons, lamberghinis, also Shamrock, ( for that luck of the Irish)etc. I wonder who in UK they are connected and deal with ,. I have a J and a W out there, love cars sooo much., And as a coincidence, ya know how serendipity goes, you know, blurring, HRacing contact is listed as in the tk site. . Pure coincidence. Why even that Diamond in the sky on c2c guy lives less than 10 minutes from there. oops..did I say dat?
Sys is going to be so annoyed. I just couldn't help myself.{sniggles}
And Marvin, yes, keep thinking modular , interchangeable parts, it will lead to something I'm sure.
But, Leave the diamond octopus guy alone, he's a nice boy.

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« Reply #352 on: Feb 18th, 2009, 1:29pm »

on Feb 18th, 2009, 11:02am, Jeddyhi wrote:
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As far as I am concerned, the case is fraudulent. Any hope of a drone reality has been killed by the facts as they lay.

Determining the who and the why and the how should be the main goal now. Realistically, debate over hoax or reality should be over.

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Hi Jeddyhi,

I agree and I’ve thought this way for a long time now as I’m sure you have, here's part of a post from OMF I made earlier.....

Kudos to the DRT for releasing the information as it obviously contradicts Rajman’s account at the most fundamental level

Incidentally, and after a quick check, it appears that Campbell/San Jose ISN’T served by the ‘Santa Cruz Sentinel’:

Santa Clara County:
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• Rose Garden Resident - San Jose
News and stories from and about residents of the Rose Garden area of San Jose.
www.rosegardenresident.com
• Mountain View Voice - Mountain View
Includes online current edition, classifieds, and local information.
www.mv-voice.com
• Vietnam Daily News - San Jose
Serving the Vietnamese community.
www.vietnamdaily.com
• Los Gatos Weekly Times - Los Gatos
www.lgwt.com
• Saratoga News - Saratoga
www.saratoganews.com
• Cupertino Courier, The - Cupertino
Covers local news, opinions, sports, and more from Cupertino, CA.
www.cupertinocourier.com
• Palo Alto Daily News - Palo Alto
www.paloaltodailynews.com
• MetroActive - San Jose
Weekly alternative newspaper covering Silicon Valley movies, music, arts, and events.
www.metroactive.com
• Los Altos Town Crier - Los Altos
Weekly community newspaper serving Los Altos, Los Altos Hills, and Mountain View with online news, classifieds, and local stock index.
latc.com
• Palo Alto Weekly - Palo Alto
News updates, movie reviews, community calendar, classified ads, and more.
www.paloaltoonline.com/weekly/index2.shtml
• San Jose Mercury News - San Jose
Daily newspaper serving Silicon Valley and the greater San Francisco Bay Area, with local, national, world, business, and technology news.
www.mercurynews.com
• Campbell Reporter, The - Campbell
Weekly newspaper covering local topics including politics, education, business, and sports.
www.campbellreporter.com
• Almaden Times Weekly - San Jose
Local neighborhood newspaper, serving San Jose's Almaden Valley since 1986.
www.almadentimes.com
• Sun, The - Sunnyvale
Weekly newspaper.
www.sunnyvalesun.com
• Business Journal of San Jose - San Jose
www.amcity.com/sanjose/index.html
• El Observador - San Jose
Promotes topics of interest to the Hispanic population in the San Francisco Bay Area.
www.el-observador.com
• Willow Glen Resident - San Jose
www.wgresident.com
• Milpitas Post - Milpitas
Covering local news, sports, dining reviews, calendar, opinion, and more.
www.themilpitaspost.com

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o Metro Santa Cruz
Features news, commentary, reviews and schedules for arts happenings, a bar and club guide, and the popular Best of Santa Cruz issue, with archives.
www.metroactive.com/cruz
o Santa Cruz Record, The
Publishes legal and business notifications including foreclosures, DBAs, and new businesses.
www.santacruzrecord.com
o Santa Cruz Sentinel
Santa Cruz County's daily news source.
www.santacruzsentinel.com
o Scotts Valley Banner and Valley Press - Ben Lomond
www.pressbanner.com
o Uppity Women Magazine
Zine for women who won't stay down. Includes links, archives, and calendar.
www.uppitywomen.net

Which not only casts further doubt, were it needed, on EVERY aspect of the Rajman1977 report, but as I’ve posted before it means that two editors lied to Tomi and the reporters bizarre behaviour (when the PI’s visited) was perhaps just a natural reaction (as mentioned at the time) that most people would have were a stranger to turn up at your door and start asking for details regarding your previous employment…..

Also this is suggestive to those who believe that it’s ALL a hoax that someone local to this area not only photographed and created the Drone images but could possibly have penned the Isaac account as San Jose is also called, “The Silicon Valley Region” and in fact is/was nicknamed the “Capital” of Silicon valley.

Perhaps this is why Isaac’s references to “Silicon Valley” were so assured as he is indeed familiar with the area as that’s why he lives:

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Before I explain what CARET was I should back up a little. By 1984, Silicon Valley had been a juggernaut of technology for decades. In the less than 40 years since the appearance of Shockley’s transistor this part of the world had already produced a multi billion dollar computer industry and made technological strides that were unprecedented in other fields, from hypertext and online collaboration in '68 to the Alto in '73.

Private industry in Silicon Valley was responsible for some of the most incredible technological leaps in history and this fact did not go unnoticed by the US government and military. I don’t claim to have any special knowledge about Roswell or any of the other alleged early UFO events, but I do know that whatever the exact origin, the military was hard at work trying to understand and use the extra-terrestrial artifacts it had in its possession. While there had been a great deal of progress overall, things were not moving as quickly as some would have liked. So, in 1984, the CARET program was created with the aim of harnessing the abilities of private industry in silicon valley and applying it to the ongoing task of understanding extra-terrestrial technology.

Etc. etc.

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« Reply #353 on: Feb 18th, 2009, 1:37pm »

on Feb 15th, 2009, 8:28pm, Marvin wrote:
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I am not suggesting these characters are exactly like the LAP characters… I am saying there is some strong commonality with the LAP. I would not have even bothered to point out this commonality, except for this character:

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If anyone wants to verify this… but I believe this to be true... there are no Japanese or Chinese characters like the above (or on the door below).

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Since we only have the LAP characters and no translation to demonstrate there is anything alien about them, then we should be struck with the reality and likelihood of a very earthly origin. If the LAP has an earthly origin... then Isaac is a fraud (and not on the run from the government).

Any thoughts?

Hi Marv!! grin

Sorry about the delay in replying, I actually knocked a couple of images up when I first read your post and then promptly forgot all about them…..

I agree about the three stroked character being unique and if I remember correctly this was a stumbling block back in the day when trying to find a match with an existing font, but they are markedly different (as you mentioned smiley). If you look at the one on the door then the strokes are the same length and are connected, whereas the one in the LAP isn’t connected (i.e. to BOTH of the others) and also two of the strokes are different sizes.

However, the others have a similar corresponding character in the katakana alphabet, have a look at the following image:

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You can see that the character resembling a *Y* has a vague counterpart (the images to the left are what I believe to be the corresponding characters for the three on the door that you mentioned).

But the *Y* character is one that I actually used for an example on the Dronehoax.com LAP page I threw together and was as follows:

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« Reply #354 on: Feb 18th, 2009, 3:37pm »

on Feb 18th, 2009, 1:37pm, DrDil wrote:
Hi Marv!! grin

Sorry about the delay in replying, I actually knocked a couple of images up when I first read your post and then promptly forgot all about them…..

I agree about the three stroked character being unique and if I remember correctly this was a stumbling block back in the day when trying to find a match with an existing font, but they are markedly different (as you mentioned smiley). If you look at the one on the door then the strokes are the same length and are connected, whereas the one in the LAP isn’t connected (i.e. to BOTH of the others) and also two of the strokes are different sizes.

However, the others have a similar corresponding character in the katakana alphabet, have a look at the following image:

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You can see that the character resembling a *Y* has a vague counterpart (the images to the left are what I believe to be the corresponding characters for the three on the door that you mentioned).

But the *Y* character is one that I actually used for an example on the Dronehoax.com LAP page I threw together and was as follows:

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Cheers. wink




Just so that I am clear....

It is either a viral “gone wrong” (and we were seeing a work in progress through Serenity and TSCC), or someone is a fan of this work (then took it as their own) and tweaked it a bit more.

As you know, I am not saying the characters are the exact same, but certainly it is not difficult to see a relationship to the point that at least the characters have an earthly explanation (and not solely an alien explanation) and a movie/TV based evolution.

Sometimes, this is like eating an elephant… some say that you cannot do it… others know it is possible to do, if you do it one bite at a time.

The "3 stroke character" that is like the one on the Serenity door...

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...since they are unique (the Serenity character came first back in 2005) and almost identical (it’s just missing a connecting line in the LAP version), then it cannot be over looked or understated. They are related (IMHO). The odds are too great for it to be otherwise.

We are making progress in small steps. wink

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« Reply #355 on: Feb 18th, 2009, 4:38pm »


I think a tad differently on that one, If it was a viral gone wrong, or just one excited fan, why have the puppets stayed so long with it? I am sure you know what I am talking about. On completion of a year, the pi's came in, thats part II of the plan..
I doubt seriously whether the time and money spent anonymously covering it, secreting of important clues for a year and a half, and then players themselves hiding or protecting each other, would be consistent with a viral gone wrong or dead and just an excited fan.
We are not talking about one country here, it involves groups in what would be a virals target markets, Au, Usa, Fr, Uk, and De. Markets that coincide with the movies, games, and PC makers, and which is why all seemed to have been touched upon throughout our searches.

If it went wrong we need to know where and when it went wrong. That seems to have been in July 2007, with Lindas fumbling. It picked up momentum by Lindas feeding and the DRT ignoring the experts, and continuing pixel counting.Then the tie in to SCC part III
It sounds to me if it went wrong, some people were trying very hard to fix it and keep it on track and in the loop.
If it went "wrong" its in the results of SCC market share friday night..
People were not happy and confused with the immersion of Issacs story on first seeing it, and annoyed at the lack of explanation.
If it went wrong..
It went wrong there.





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« Reply #356 on: Feb 18th, 2009, 5:15pm »

on Feb 18th, 2009, 4:38pm, Denise wrote:
I think a tad differently on that one, If it was a viral gone wrong, or just one excited fan, why have the puppets stayed so long with it? I am sure you know what I am talking about. On completion of a year, the pi's came in, thats part II of the plan..
I doubt seriously whether the time and money spent anonymously covering it, secreting of important clues for a year and a half, and then players themselves hiding or protecting each other, would be consistent with a viral gone wrong or dead and just an excited fan.
We are not talking about one country here, it involves groups in what would be a virals target markets, Au, Usa, Fr, Uk, and De. Markets that coincide with the movies, games, and PC makers, and which is why all seemed to have been touched upon throughout our searches.

If it went wrong we need to know where and when it went wrong. That seems to have been in July 2007, with Lindas fumbling. It picked up momentum by Lindas feeding and the DRT ignoring the experts, and continuing pixel counting.Then the tie in to SCC part III
It sounds to me if it went wrong, some people were trying very hard to fix it and keep it on track and in the loop.
If it went "wrong" its in the results of SCC market share friday night..
People were not happy and confused with the immersion of Issacs story on first seeing it, and annoyed at the lack of explanation.
If it went wrong..
It went wrong there.









It is a big ”if” Denise (on the viral side).

Personally speculating... I think it is a hoax and the hoaxer has taken a number of supporters on a ride. I think enough copyright material has already been stolen… the hoaxer can not afford to go public. wink

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« Reply #357 on: Feb 18th, 2009, 5:26pm »

What are the chances that the hoaxer is employed somewhere on that block on Kennedy Ave? They could have driven up 17 on their way to work when they took the pics at Deer Creek for the Chad deception. They could have stepped outside after work and took some pics for later compositing for the Raj deception? The detectives could have already spoken to the hoaxer without even realizing it? Short of a confession, how will anyone ever know who the hoaxer is?
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on Feb 18th, 2009, 5:26pm, Jeddyhi wrote:
What are the chances that the hoaxer is employed somewhere on that block on Kennedy Ave?


Or possibly live in the large apartment complex across the tracks?

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« Reply #359 on: Feb 18th, 2009, 5:53pm »

I got a chuckle from the comment from a new DRT member, who lives in Campbell, that his dog relieves himself on one of the poles. Can’t make this stuff up. grin grin

If it’s viral I don’t see it except for very small scale – perhaps some business op idea or one of many news tidbits to keep some fringe outfit afloat. There’s just no national interest here and it’s targeted at a small group. I fail to see the financial gain. rolleyes
Yes, there are plenty of companies and groups capable of it but I have yet to see any reasonable argument that it would really be profitable. It could even backfire and lose business if perceived as amateurish or unethical. If it’s viral at a high level it was a poor plan from the way it looks to be turning out. And if that’s the case the smarts behind it don’t deserve any credit except for providing some diversion from other world events.
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