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« Reply #45 on: Jan 24th, 2009, 7:44pm »

Couldn't agree more, Nev and maybe someone has done it already, I don't know, but place all the witness narrative, side by side and visually compare their punctiations, use of similar words, and those nice literary devices to make the stories homey like, designed to put you in their shoes.
I guarantee someone will be freaked out for real. Heck throw in Mars Ave just for kicks cheesy

Katt and Shads Thanx and Double that is flattering picture and made me blush! I borrowed that link you gave Uncle Sysco once. It makes a great warning system in the absence of an ignore button.
Kudos!

@Tomi, thats's odd, You were the spokes woman, ,with Numbers help, did the logistics, and hired them. Didn't OTF know how to use the phone? His English sounded pretty Convincing to me. If it was a French benefactor, why use a UK stranger, when Nemo and OTF, could handle that themselves? After all it was Tony and Numbers who eventually were at ground Zero, interviewing also Shirley.
Can't ask what is obvious to all, and very much your business.? Puhleeeeze.
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« Reply #46 on: Jan 24th, 2009, 8:02pm »

on Jan 24th, 2009, 7:37pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Let me say.. I want to know as much as anyone else... and as close as I am to people, I DO NOT TRESPASS nor have I EVER YET asked anyone a question about this case.


Maybe you should ask some questions and you might get somewhere as a researcher. All you are getting right now is the run around I bet.

on Jan 24th, 2009, 7:37pm, tomi01uk wrote:
I would like to be on the inside.. and if there is anything for me to do to help I will.


The inside? The inside of what? The "investigation"? You are proving more and more that 11A is paying for the PI's.

There is no "inside", all there is, is a group of clueless people running after completely fabricated clues. Paying for PI's, but getting information from DRT members instead.

on Jan 24th, 2009, 7:37pm, tomi01uk wrote:
But EVEN I DO NOT ASK QESTIONS that don't concern me. You ask anyone later on if that's true or not.


We all know you are just a follower. You don't ask questions, you just believe everything instantly. You are the perfect example of a gullible hoax target.

on Jan 24th, 2009, 7:37pm, tomi01uk wrote:
I suggest for the sake respect, you try to adjust to:

A: That is the way I am and the way everyone needs to be with confidenciality.
B: I don't know anything I don't have any right to know. And I don't ask.


A: Nobody is asking for social security numbers, or ATM pin numbers here Tomi, we are talking about a stupid CGI drone hoax.

B: You don't know ANYTHING. Period. And you don't ask questions because you are just a follower, not a leader.

Asking questions is the first part of researching, and you just admitted to failing that.

Why are you still here, Tomi, if you don't have or ask questions?
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« Reply #47 on: Jan 24th, 2009, 8:16pm »

Very observent Nev, I remember when Tomi had directed the PIs to that alleged news lady's home, that she admitted NOT even taking notes with a pencil or paper, repeat, No Notes!!so she couldn't recall what was really said accurately or respond to the OM forum members questions. Numbers was on that one too, and of course he commented how strange the family acted, just like that Farniam fellow, the bartender owner whoappeared to act "mean". This to assure whatever the findings would be, they would always be slanted one way. People were afraid, to fit excuses why the witnesses did not come foward.
Tomi is no neutral standbyer, she had control, she is here to assure one thing, and one thing only, that
the now tattered scripts remains stays intact by any means possible, including using endless circuitous diatribes,
to make it appear like discussion, when there is none,
so passerbyers can say, oh there is more to this story, when in reality there is nothing of genuine substance.
No, its run the clock, buy time, develop a solution for damage control. We know it, they know it.
Perhaps LMH can clarify things on the 29th on c2c, thats 5 days from now. Lets see what the First Lady of the Drones says then.
This lady here, is just running interference on behalf of the DRT and Linda. Its that simple. Expect no info, candor, nor honesty. They have someones investment to protect.
You do not hire PI's passing a collection hat around, and get coverage both in paper and TV, for being a bunch of nice guys.

Carry on fellow warriors!
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« Reply #48 on: Jan 24th, 2009, 10:21pm »

on Jan 24th, 2009, 7:37pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Would you expect anything more from people investigating this? Let me say.. I want to know as much as anyone else... and as close as I am to people, I DO NOT TRESPASS nor have I EVER YET asked anyone a question about this case. I would like to be on the inside.. and if there is anything for me to do to help I will. But EVEN I DO NOT ASK QUESTIONS that don't concern me. You ask anyone later on if that's true or not. I suggest for the sake respect, you try to adjust to:

A: That is the way I am and the way everyone needs to be with confidentiality.
B: I don't know anything I don't have any right to know. And I don't ask.




Tomi,

I think you will agree, that I have not been afraid to disagree with members of the DRT and on the other hand, I am not afraid to lavish praise for their fine work.

But I too see a pattern of evidence and opinion from the DRT. Maybe you can help me (and others) to better understand what I see:

It seems to me that the DRT has been very defensive about the Drone reality, but the evidence released by the DRT seems to support deceit.

The interpretation of the DRT seems to always side with reality… when deceit is found, the DRT is almost apologetic and puts alternate ideas that may explanation away the deceit.

Would it not be more objective, just to lay out the data and say “it is what it is?”

Isn’t it possible that the lack of “trust” is related to bias of the issues and the apologetic rationalization of the facts rather than to just report the facts?
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« Reply #49 on: Jan 25th, 2009, 01:31am »

on Jan 24th, 2009, 10:21pm, Marvin wrote:
Tomi,

I think you will agree, that I have not been afraid to disagree with members of the DRT and on the other hand, I am not afraid to lavish praise for their fine work.

But I too see a pattern of evidence and opinion from the DRT. Maybe you can help me (and others) to better understand what I see:

It seems to me that the DRT has been very defensive about the Drone reality, but the evidence released by the DRT seems to support deceit.

The interpretation of the DRT seems to always side with reality… when deceit is found, the DRT is almost apologetic and puts alternate ideas that may explanation away the deceit.

Would it not be more objective, just to lay out the data and say “it is what it is?”

Isn’t it possible that the lack of “trust” is related to bias of the issues and the apologetic rationalization of the facts rather than to just report the facts?


The new word of the day is REBUNKER....
Some who discovers falsehoods in supposed true tales, but then makes up lies or gives false testimony to make it seem like there was a reason for the lie or tale..
ie putting the bunk back into the bunk after it has been debunked..... grin
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« Reply #50 on: Jan 25th, 2009, 05:32am »

Ok, that's admittedly a tough question to answer Marvin. I can't read other peoples minds....
There could be reason to not dismiss Raj has some basis of credibility Or, it could be based on subjective points of view and beliefs die hard. I don't know.

Reassurance should come from the fact that the PI's would not take at face value what they don't know for certain. From within their broad network and reach.... The truths will come out eventually.
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« Reply #51 on: Jan 25th, 2009, 05:33am »

on Jan 25th, 2009, 01:31am, Radi wrote:
The new word of the day is REBUNKER....
Some who discovers falsehoods in supposed true tales, but then makes up lies or gives false testimony to make it seem like there was a reason for the lie or tale..
ie putting the bunk back into the bunk after it has been debunked..... grin



To the "want to believes" there is no compelling reason to find the truth, but rather a compelling reason to preserve a nebulous fabrication of a reality. This is where they dwell; this is where their belief system is centered. It's like a gyroscope, tilt it one way and it offers resistance. The DRT is mostly a collection of "want to believes" probably being directed by one or more protagonists. And that's not to say that a protagonist couldn't be a "want to believe" as well, but is probably a monetary stakeholder in the gig and knows full well that it's all part of a viral marketing campaign. (the rational being that it [the hoax] has greater implications for ufology/mankind) Who do you think paid the PIs? Their real purpose was not to discover anything but to bring it into the mainstream media and that's exactly what they did. So their job was over a long time ago. The pretense of continuing an investigation is just that. The problem with the DRT is that there might be a few members that actually want to know the truth. Like a pumple on their arse this is a problem for them, a conundrum that must reconciled; to appear objective and at the same time promote their (drone is real) agenda. Their attempts sometimes are just too funny.

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« Reply #52 on: Jan 25th, 2009, 05:43am »

on Jan 24th, 2009, 8:16pm, Denise wrote:
This lady here, is just running interference on behalf of the DRT and Linda. Its that simple. Expect no info, candor, nor honesty. They have someones investment to protect.

Can you think of anything so stupid?? Sorry, just the concept is ridiculous. Why would any group go through all of this expense, time and verbal abuse just to spend money? Honestly!! Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar! And a case is just that.. a case to be solved.

Thank God there are people who commit themselves and their resources despite ridicule and trying circumstances. These people in the end are the hero's of our time. Hang in there.
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« Reply #53 on: Jan 25th, 2009, 05:49am »

on Jan 25th, 2009, 05:33am, Gort wrote:
but is probably a monetary stakeholder in the gig and knows full well that it's all part of a viral marketing campaign. (the rational being that it [the hoax] has greater implications for ufology/mankind) Who do you think paid the PIs? Their real purpose was not to discover anything but to bring it into the mainstream media and that's exactly what they did. So their job was over a long time ago. The pretense of continuing an investigation is just that.


You are the one who is so keen on psycho analyzing eveyone. I want to see how you will analyse yourself to everyone at the end of this, when you are found to be 100% completely wrong. tongue This will be very interesting indeed. But then, even Freud failed at self analysis.. didn't he?

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« Reply #54 on: Jan 25th, 2009, 05:52am »

"Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar"

Just ask Monica


Like I said too funny
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« Reply #55 on: Jan 25th, 2009, 05:56am »

on Jan 25th, 2009, 05:52am, Gort wrote:
"Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar"

Just ask Monica


Like I said too funny


Well, you can equate everything to Monica and Bill.. but I fail to see any similiarities..
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« Reply #56 on: Jan 25th, 2009, 06:22am »

on Jan 25th, 2009, 05:56am, tomi01uk wrote:
Well, you can equate everything to Monica and Bill.. but I fail to see any similiarities..


Some say that there is more to this than just a hoax
Some say that it is just a hoax
Some say it is just a cigar
Monica smiles

Some say we just say what we say when we want to say.
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« Reply #57 on: Jan 25th, 2009, 07:05am »

Ok, here is another deceptive move by Raj and this one cannot be defended as anything other than a lie by a hoaxer.

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The pole is not in Capitola, correct? Then the posting to Craigslist by Raj is completely false in content and accuracy. Nobody in Capitola could have witnessed a drone since the drone (if it was a real sighting) was hovering over a pole in a completely different location.

This cannot be construed or defended as an attempt by a legitimate witness to protect his identity and location. He is asking about any additional witnesses in Capitola. Since we now know that the pole is not even near Capitola, then the original Craigslist posting is simply a post by a hoaxer to get the next stage of the hoax onto the internet.

Quoting Rajman1977:

13) I posted the pictures originally to Flickr beacuse I didn't know of any other way to get them online for public viewing and I have a lot of work friends that use it all the time for their own photos. As for Craigslist, it was the first idea that came to me when I tried to think of ways to ask a lot of people in the Capitola area if they saw this thing. One funny thing was that we had been talking so much about UFO movies since it happened, and when I went to post the question, for a second I misread "casual encounters" as "close encounters". That was definitely NOT where it was supposed to go. Before the last week or so, I had never visited any UFO sites so I didn't know of any. I definitely would have started here though if I did.

So I ask those that still have hope that Raj was/is a legitimate drone witness, why ask for additional witnesses in Capitola when the sighting wasn't in Capitola?

The answer is clear I think!

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« Reply #58 on: Jan 25th, 2009, 07:41am »

Edit:
I do see DRT considers the pole not near or adjacent and state deception at work. At least there appears some agreement here.

I'd say the Raj's misdirection statements are now simply adding gravy.
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« Reply #59 on: Jan 25th, 2009, 09:48am »

Someone suggested an ignore button for this forum. I think that's a great idea! I have had quite enough of our resident DRT flack. You know, the "investigator" who asks no questions, takes no notes, and provides no information. Whether she realizes it or not, her job in the sham "investigation" is to derail any serious discussion in a cloud of bickering, childish schmoozing, or whatever means she can devise. She serves mainly to dumb down the real investigation here, in much the same way the DRT has dumbed down "ufoology." That is no mean feat, dumbing down UFO research even further than it was before all these foologists suddenly appeared. Is Tomi one of the hoaxers, or just a useful goofball? It doesn't matter, and I don't care. The only real purpose she serves here is as a crude proximity indicator, switching into that frantic, insult hurling, threatening mode whenever we hit a nerve. Trouble is, she is not even very good for that because her accuracy is on par with the rest of the "investigation." She cannot carry on such a prolonged bout of inanity over at ATS, for example, because we just ignore her in short order.
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