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« Reply #510 on: Mar 4th, 2009, 10:07pm »

Maybe we should just stop feeding the troll. I don't mean to give advice on that point because I am as guilty as any sensible participant here of baiting the troll. It just occurs to me now that she feeds on the energy in a rather disturbing way. Numbers was like that while he could still show his avatar around here. (I'm not baiting you Numbers, just using you as an example. Until you are able to own up to your "fibs" you should probably remain scarce outside your little safe haven.) We have all heard enough. Thousands of times.

It must be frustrating for them. I wonder about the CGI artist, and his (or her, of course) situation now that this is all dreary history. I don't see how he could use his work on the drones in a portfolio or resume. Is it possible, let alone advisable, to tell a prospective client or employer about your work on something like this? Remember how desperate spf seemed to be to keep the drones from sticking to him, like it could wreck his career? He was nearly frantic when Sysco found all those interesting images on his web site. Darn right it "looked bad." Not only was this a sleazy con, but even the nutjobs at Exopolitics won't touch it with a stick. They promote every supposed whistleblower they can find anywhere, except Isaac. The drones are the laughing stock of ufology. Ufology! Think of that for a second. Pretty scary.
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« Reply #511 on: Mar 4th, 2009, 10:37pm »

I think you are right Yosemite, and we are way past the stage of having to repeat the findings and the conclusions, whether they like it or not.
And based on some other things that surfaced ARC is at the point it itself needs to finalize its own data privately, as these are just the puppets with messianic complexes, and not the puppeteers, and what will develop are matters which don't belong here yet, or give advance warning to them. At the same time, I hate when religion like that gets in the way of a good discussion, we have rights too.
So on that note, I agree to put the trolls on a diet, at least until they adopt an ignore system,I bid thee all Adieu, good luck, special hugs to Zetar, Gort, Katt, and Marvin that Iridium Discombobulator is on its way.! grin!




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« Reply #512 on: Mar 5th, 2009, 07:18am »

HEY DENISE,
THE FORUM ALLOWS THOSE TO "REINCARNATE"...IF YOU DO DECIDE TO DEPART...I HOPE TO SEE YOU AGAIN...

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« Reply #513 on: Mar 5th, 2009, 07:43am »

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JMO.. but this still doesn't tell us the witnesses and the drones were done for a 100% hoax.

Maybe the "witnesses" are part of an orchestrated release of elements based in fact.



on Jan 25th, 2009, 05:32am, tomi01uk wrote:
There could be reason to not dismiss Raj has some basis of credibility Or, it could be based on subjective points of view and beliefs die hard. I don't know.



on Mar 4th, 2009, 3:24pm, tomi01uk wrote:
I'm not believing anything about it until I know what it is. That shouldn't conflict with intense interest should it?

Because I'm very interested, that doesn't mean I "believe" anything except what the facts so far tell me, which are not conclusive enough to form any firm belief about imo.



You are ignoring both my question and your history (which you are changing).



on Mar 4th, 2009, 5:12pm, tomi01uk wrote:
yeah.. I'm just annoying and I argue a lot.. tongue



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Interest only follows the story… but you have been pushing an agenda for reality to the story. I still want to know why... and it is not just because you are interested.
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« Reply #514 on: Mar 5th, 2009, 08:22am »

She was the only one from DRT to respond?

I think she just likes the attention, and can't really say to much more.

But her contributions (being polite here) seem only for herself to garner attention and have no substance.
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on Mar 5th, 2009, 08:22am, Gort wrote:
She was the only one from DRT to respond?

I think she just likes the attention, and can't really say to much more.

But her contributions (being polite here) seem only for herself to garner attention and have no substance.



Due to the stance of the DRT members, I am slowly being persuaded to believe they are either the Hoaxers or are in full support of the hoax.

I have given ample opportunity (over the last year and recently) for them to respond to the question of why they push an agenda for reality without any objective evidence to demonstrate reality. In fact, every release they make is further proof of a hoax… and yet strange claims are put forward to excuse the evidence they release to show there is still hope for reality… or now, maybe some small amount of reality, without any hard evidence being presented to show cause to believe that. All we get are the mindless silly and evading debates that seem to support they are indeed the hoaxers.

They supported a know Drone and CGI hoaxer, who was in their ranks (good ole Lev, who's hoax is still posted here on the Casebook :click on the link to the left)… one just has to follow the arrows to "X" marks the spot.
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« Reply #516 on: Mar 5th, 2009, 1:26pm »

I understand where you are coming from, Marv! Hence my suspicion that they did not find the pole with google earth, but rather used google earth as a cover story. shocked
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« Reply #517 on: Mar 5th, 2009, 2:22pm »

Well, looking at "The Big Picture," wink there just are not very many possible scenarios in which the behavior of the DRT and their associates makes any sense at all. At this point, to me, either they are all barking mad or they are somehow involved in the hoax. Probably some from Column A, and some from Column B. I am quite comfortable with the idea that we may never learn which it is or how many or what the whole setup looked like. It hardly matters to me personally. There is a mountain of far more interesting, inspiring, and fun fiction out there. Sometimes I suspect that some of the Drone Reality Tards thought they were brilliant enough to conjure some drones into existence by sheer force of will and harangue. If so, well, see Column A up there at the top of this message.

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« Reply #518 on: Mar 5th, 2009, 2:33pm »

I have been CONVINCED since the beginning that at least one member of the DRT is complicit in this hoax! I do not believe he is the sole proprietor, more of a secondary player that ran with the ball when the mastermind tired of the charade.


Yes I am speaking about our old friend Numbers/Latitude......he has never answered the question about what i was told in confidence (yes i am an untrustworthy bastard when you are not one i consider a friend!! grin and even more so when i feel someone is playing me, and in fact actually trying to manipulate me into believing a BS hoax!!)

I know he will not bless us with his presence to answer that all important question....but i am pretty sure he will read this...and maybe one day come clean about his part in these shenanigans!
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« Reply #519 on: Mar 8th, 2009, 4:08pm »

Well, for those who care, elevenaugust has posted 10 possible scenerios for explaining the drones. There will be a poll and vote in near future if I read it correctly.
http://droneteam.com/drt/index.php?topic=582.msg5974#new

I did not know if proper to repost the entire contents here. I know some here can't access their site.
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« Reply #520 on: Mar 8th, 2009, 4:32pm »

on Mar 8th, 2009, 4:08pm, Katterfelto wrote:
Well, for those who care, elevenaugust has posted 10 possible scenerios for explaining the drones. There will be a poll and vote in near future if I read it correctly.
http://droneteam.com/drt/index.php?topic=582.msg5974#new

I did not know if proper to repost the entire contents here. I know some here can't access their site.


My guess would be anyone who votes fake gets banned grin
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on Mar 8th, 2009, 4:08pm, Katterfelto wrote:
Well, for those who care, elevenaugust has posted 10 possible scenerios for explaining the drones. There will be a poll and vote in near future if I read it correctly.
http://droneteam.com/drt/index.php?topic=582.msg5974#new

I did not know if proper to repost the entire contents here. I know some here can't access their site.

Hi Katt,

From what I understand I’m the only person who is considered too much of a risk to be allowed to view the forum and as far as I’ve said before I wear that particular ‘badge of honour’ proudly so post whatever you feel is relevant.

on Feb 12th, 2009, 7:06pm, DrDil wrote:
I personally stopped checking their forum after I was banned for the umpteenth time and any relevant information will filter through the internet naturally as it always has. I inadvertently followed a link that one of the DRT posted a few days ago (before I realised the destination) and surprise, surprise:

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I’ve also included the Ovnis-USA banned message at the bottom of image because as Lat used to say I consider them badges of honour or at the very least some small recognition, a show of appreciation for services rendered and a job well done.....

I often wondered (not any more) why the DRT didn't just make the forum private and use the main website as a tool for posting findings/research alongside the original history as it would have surely have made for a more streamlined research-model (and it must be easier than banning everyone who disagrees).

But perhaps the main reason I don’t try to access the DRT board is because I genuinely have no real interest in the personal views of anyone who is apparently so concerned about how their posts may be received and so precious that they will only post in an exclusive environment where all information is controlled, opposing views are censored, people who differ in opinion are refused membership and anyone who opposes any suggestion or questions any aspect of this ‘groupthink’ is banned from even viewing the forum.

If that’s the cost of discovering the truth then as far as I’m concerned they can keep it…..

Cheers.

But regarding the vote you reference then I wonder what the consensus will be considering that the registration page carries the prerequisite that:

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“The DRT forum was created for the discussion of the reality of the Drones. Other forums exist for hoax discussion.
This is a research forum … not meant for opinions.”

So it seems as if the results of any such ‘poll’ are a foregone conclusion (much like the Rajman one!! grin)

(Incidentally I'd vote a resounding 'HOAX')

Cheers. wink
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« Reply #522 on: Mar 8th, 2009, 5:04pm »

Thanks DrDil, here it is minus the formating lost in cut and pasting. Sorry bout that, did not have time to reformat.

Summary and evaluation of the existing theories
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That makes almost two years that the drones business has begun and we haven't any certainty yet about their true origin.

I will try here to make a little exhaustive summarize of all the assumptions that has been made, and that we have today, and see if we can determine together their credibility level.

Some of these assumptions are totally new and can even seems crazy; however, one can not forget that many of these assumptions have totally changed camp, from "plausible" to "unthinkable", not to say "impossible".....

I will start from the "drones 100% real" assumptions to the "drones 100% hoax" assumptions.

I will add, in a second time, a pool, for everyone here to express his opinion and to vote freely.
Feel free to add a new assumption section to the pool if you think I had forgotten one.


Assumption n°1: The drones are real, photos and LAP too (and witnesses are genuine) et are what Isaac claimed, i-e the result of an ultra-top-secret project using reverse engineering with ET anti-gravity devices....100% real
Assumption n°2: The drones are real, the LAP too, but the photos were faked and the witnesses nonexistent; it could be a US gov. agency process and the goal could be toprogressively increase the interest for the LAP in order to find someone in the public (or even in the ufo community) to decipher it or to fully understand its function......something like 75% real/25% fake
Assumption n°3: The drones are real, the LAP too, but the photos were faked and the witnesses nonexistent; it could be a US gov. agency process and the goal could be toprogressively increase the interest for the LAP and the drone in general, for some disclosure process......something like 75% real/25% fake
Assumption n°4: The drones are real, the LAP too, but the photos were faked and the witnesses nonexistent; it could be a part of ET process, maybe with a third party involvement (some US agency or private group); the goal could be toprogressively increase the interest for the LAP and the drone in general, for some acclimation process......something like 75% real/25% fake
Assumption n°5:The drones are real, but the LAP, Isaac and his claimed are fake, while the photos are partially true, and the witnesses genuine. It could be the result of a process started by a small group (who was contacted by the witnesses) and who has faked the photos, to protect these witnesses.
The events are genuine, but all the little clues that could allow other people to identify the original witnesses were removed, and especially drones were recomposited in other landscapes, originals being too easily identifiable and damaging for the witnesses. In this idea, Isaac is only an opportunist; his story was coming after the events......50% real
Assumption n°6:The drones are real, but the LAP, Isaac and his claimed are fake, while the photos are partially true, and the witnesses genuine. It could be the result of a process started by an US agency (who was contacted by the witnesses) and who has faked the photos, to protect these witnesses.
The events are genuine, but all the little clues that could allow other people to identify the original witnesses were removed, and especially drones were recomposited in other landscapes, originals being too easily identifiable and damaging for the witnesses. In this idea, Isaac is only an opportunist; his story was coming after the events. This assumption can also be made for some parts of a disclosure project......50% real.
Assumption n°7: All is fake and is a disinfo campaign orchestrated by some US agency to discredit, when the time comes, the UFO and research community......100% fake
Assumption n°8: All is fake and is a disinfo campaign orchestrated by some US agency to help them in their global politic, i-e find a new enemy to fight with (ET), which can justify the durability of the militaro-industrial complex......100% fake
Assumption n°9: All is fake and is a designer/artist creation.....100% fake
Assumption n°10: All is fake and is a commercial/viral project for a game, movie, etc.... to come.........100% fake

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IMHO, there's at least some true in the drone business: we can't simply reduce the story as "100% hoax".
I had voluntarily separated the physical drones from the photographies and from the whole Isaac/LAP/explanations stuff, because in this complex business, we can't and we don't have to accept or reject the story as a whole, but better try to be more moderate and foresee all the possibilities....

I can even hear the wolves crying (and to be honest, I really don't care since we are among us here and since we used to hear them... ) saying that I try to make excuses for a hoax....etc, etc....
Maybe, but we cannot accuse me neither to have envisaged all the possible hypothesis nor to have built hasty conclusions on preconceived ideas.

To summarize, I always want to give a chance to each one of the possibilities, even the most crazies.... Why?
Simply not to put a chance aside to understand something that could be essential to our UFO research: a possible acclimation or disclosure that could include the drones.

Now, let the show begin!! wink




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« Reply #523 on: Mar 8th, 2009, 5:28pm »

9 Marv's premise is sound based on long history of results, I think DRTs ending says it all
To summarize, I always want to give a chance to each one of the possibilities, even the most crazies.... Why?
Simply not to put a chance aside to understand something that could be essential to our UFO research: a possible acclimation or disclosure that could include the drones.

He wants to give a chance to the most craziest, because its essential to our research in efect their reason for even existing, so that the "acclimation" would include the drones.
Which is insane, given past and future hoaxes all the time why limit to this one even when the photos and LAP hoax.
The already steered the poll before the first vote is cast.
And considering the deception before on their part, whats to stop them from using some of those fake names they have listed that never post, which is over 50 percent. of their membership roll of 110 members, to vote.
and guarantee a desired result. Its as bogus as the Hoax itself.
They want what the pictures did not give them, and what they fought so hard for, a 50 50 result so they can justify the BS they did and still want to do.
Thats my opinion. On a MSN they thought an 80 percent against ufo was great.
They would think 99 percent hoax is reason enough to continue the 1 percent.
Its totally show just as he said.
And they have the means and will to guarantee the results, to water down any possible hoax numbers.
In real life voting, confusing polls like that are stricken down. Sadam Hussein won his elections all the time, by like 98 percent.
Coming from them..this show is meaningless, we already saw that movie.



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« Reply #524 on: Mar 8th, 2009, 5:34pm »

I am so tired of disclosure and disinfo as excuses and possible theories when all else fails. I dispise both those words. tongue

Those are bad words, into the cornfield now! angry
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