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« Reply #645 on: Apr 15th, 2009, 12:46am »

on Apr 15th, 2009, 12:41am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
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Do I have to explain EVERYTHING to you mental midgets? Of course it was windy, EVERYWHERE but near the drone. When are you going to get it through your thick skulls that the drones always carry a piece of their native realm along with them. That's why you sometimes see bits of things that usually aren't there. Like cannabis fields. Or mean dogs, or even surly bartenders. Jeez! Get a clue, will ya?
This message brought to you as a public disservice of the DRT.

Ahh I forgot, they have a lovelife too, they adore windmills!
I had to carry that over..
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hahahahaha..I'm laughing so hard I can barely type!
You know, now that the crossed the Atlantic into Europe, do you reckon they will meet up Sidd? I bet he has something in store for them.!
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« Reply #646 on: Apr 15th, 2009, 01:01am »

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"If it was I kite, it was a very big one and a good one to because there was no wind" -Ruud


So......... I know there was wind, but Ruud says there wasn't. So whats with the lies?

This is why they will never get it right. Not only do they have to pass the lie detector test, but they got to pass the lighting test, the shadow test, the 3D position test, and the EXIF test, and much, much more.....

EPIC FAIL
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« Reply #647 on: Apr 15th, 2009, 01:54am »

Speaking of lighting, It just occurred to that at 614 if I have this right, oclock marks sunset in September 8, 2007, at that longitude/latitude would that level of light be more for the morning,?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/30882996@N00/1345712024/
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1350/1345712024_173e7156ae.jpg?v=0
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That pic is sunset in holland. might be different if it was morning time.


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« Reply #648 on: Apr 15th, 2009, 02:17am »

on Apr 15th, 2009, 01:54am, Quincy wrote:
at that longitude/latitude would that level of light be more for the morning,?


Good eye Quincy, I think you have a valid point. The images may have been taken in the morning...

sunset + clouds = orange clouds

I don't see any orange.

Oh I love sunsets on the beach. grin

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That would mean the time on the camera wasn't set correctly, or it was edited....
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« Reply #649 on: Apr 15th, 2009, 02:31am »

You can always use some of the methods I taught most of you, to find the location of the sun.

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Remember? Round objects and light?
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But, clouds illuminate objects differently, so it's not the best way to figure out the time of day. We could just ask Ruud....but... can't trust him/her.

I'm just glad I don't hear about a fiancee anymore, they must have finally got married, and are now husband and wife... lol
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« Reply #650 on: Apr 15th, 2009, 03:00am »

I hope Marvin and the others can weigh in, perhaps they have a different angle, or can add to this. I went back to check the Times, to see if the camera said am, thinking it was set for military time, just to give benefit, but it said PM. I don't like coming to someone and saying hoaxer, if there is any possibility it was mechanical or technical glitch.
He did supply all 12 pix. mor than I can say for slews, slews, of the others., and quickly too. Thats why its disconcerting to see the inconsistancies. One of those times I don't like being right.
Anyway.
All we can do, is all we can do.

I think I will focus on seeing if I can find any comparable images on the web.
I'm feeling like you were a day or so ago.
I'm crashing
Cya my friend
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« Reply #651 on: Apr 15th, 2009, 03:23am »

Before I go to bed...

I will give you guys some info to toy with, and maybe you can do some calculations for me while I get some much needed mental rest.

First you need to study the different types of clouds that exist, and their normal altitude:

atmos.uiuc.edu

Second you have to find out what type of clouds are in the images, or maybe you can find what normal type of weather is present in Holland, and find out the normal cloud altitude, or figure out the cloud altitude of that time and day.

Third, because the Earth is round and the clouds curve down to the horizon, you can use that to find out the approximate distance of the object from the camera, if in fact there is an object there (which I doubt).

You will need to understand how to calculate the distance to the horizon from the camera view:
http://www.wikihow.com/Calculate-the-Distance-to-the-Horizon

Once you know the cloud altitude, and the distance from the horizon, you can calculate the distance of the clouds at the horizon. The clouds are curved, remember that. The order should go as follows...

Camera -> distance -> u.f.o. -> distance -> clouds -> distance -> edge of Earths atmosphere.

Once you figure that out, you can get a pretty good idea at the distance of the object, or at least the range it is in...

However.... there is a much more simple way to figure that out, but I think it's best I kept it a secret for now. I would much rather see hoaxers try to make some serious calculations next time the try to create a hoax.

Have Fun.. grin

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I was typing while you made your last comment Quency, have a good rest.

I don't like calling people a hoaxer, especially when it feels like they are acting sincere, but sometimes you got to just say what is on your mind and see what comes from it. If we are wrong, we are wrong, it is up to them to prove we are wrong.

Prove me wrong, and I will gladly apologize and eat my words.

- Just know, I really CAN tell when someone is lying, or acting. But of course, I have been wrong before...

Prove me wrong Ruud.
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« Reply #652 on: Apr 15th, 2009, 07:16am »

Ruud has been kind enough to send the photos to me.

Here is an enlargement and enhancement of the object:

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The camera used is a Nikon D50.

This photo Exif is marked as being taken on:

2007:09:08 18:21:18


More to follow as I have time.



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« Reply #653 on: Apr 15th, 2009, 07:23am »

This is the original photo for the above:

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More to follow...


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« Reply #654 on: Apr 15th, 2009, 09:16am »

Even if this turns out to be a real sighting of a mysterious object, it resembles the "drones" only in the most superficial way. Our skies have been host to some bizarre objects for as long as humans have been recording events, and none of that changes the nature of the drone hoax one iota. The drone hoax failed miserably, and if this is part of it, it will fall flat in no time. Even if this "bee" is in fact a real object, from some other dimension, planet or whatever, it does absolutely nothing to reanimate the decaying bones of the drone hoax. If it is what it appears at the moment to be, then it will soon be forgotten. I don't think even the Drone Queen has enough credibility left to make it popular.
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« Reply #655 on: Apr 15th, 2009, 10:54am »

Hi all,

So many reactions.
I have to react also.
First of all;
I don't like that people call me a liar and don't get my lovelife involved. Then it becomes personal.
You can think what ever you want of the pics and if it is possible I can answer questions.
I can imagine that people are getting tired to look at an hoax. Me to, I hate Hoax, Spam and virusses to.
I just asked the webmaster if he knew what the object on the photo was. I never spoke about a drone, also it is not my intention to fake a photo, I am 49 years old, Have been married for 27 years (speaking about my lovelife and possible fiancy at the sunset)and I simply don't have time to create or fake photo's.
If you say it is an balloon. It is fine with me. If you say it is a wheater balloon, it is fine with me. If you say it is a kite fine. I don't get any profit of these pics. All I need to know is maybe somebody recognize this object. I can't tell you what it is.
You call it a drone, fine with me.
I can tell you we were camping at camping de Watersnip near Petten. Went fishing in the afternoon I still remember that because my parents also were at the camping and they made dinner. Around the camping there is a small canal. I just flip through some bushes and I am near that water. It is not to the direction of the beach. It is in the opposite direction. May be you can find a siren in that direction (on google earth).
It is very good possible that the time of the camera was not correct. I made the pics defenitly in the afternoon that is for sure. The date is important for me, the time on the camera is for me not so interesting may be it was summertime or something like that. You have to believe me for that, it was between 1 o'clock and 5 o'clock. And I guessed it was round 1.30. That is I believe also what I wrote in my mail. Next time I see an object I will first set the time correct and then I will take pictures.
What about the wind. There was where we were fishing no wind. I can say that because I hate fishing in the wind. Small waves are irritating, possible that there was little bit wind at the open field. But it can't have been very much. We ate outside so it wasn't cold either.
Neveleeleven, I looked through my camera using my chair to create a steady image. At such a distand even the smallest movement makes rare image. That is why I took several shots. Hoping there was something I could see.
If there are any questions I will be glad to answer them.
Just don't get personal. It is now almost 6 o'clock and dinner is ready smiley.

Regards Ruud


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« Reply #656 on: Apr 15th, 2009, 11:10am »

RUUD: Don't get upset. There's co-intel pro in here and that's exactly what they get paid to do (and I hope it is a miserably small amount).

If you've not read my post about the "fishing expedition" - search for it and look it over.

Not a single one of the major points in that has ever been significantly retorted here (nor shall it ever be).

I am not going on a limb for any photographic evidence in the "Drone" subject, but i've pretty conclusively wrapped up the Issac docs as authentic.

The co-intel crowd hated that to no extent - the personal attacks were disgusting.

But that means you are getting under their skin about something, and that is good.

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« Reply #657 on: Apr 15th, 2009, 11:34am »

Please. "Co-intel pro" is so 1980s. We are unbolters. Get with the program!

(I really was not expecting company, so I must apologize for my tardiness in changing to more appropriate attire. Man, it's hell getting old.)
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« Reply #658 on: Apr 15th, 2009, 12:09pm »

@Rudd
So that means all the data on on exif could be incorrect, and could have been any day in the summer, between 1 and 5pm, with possible little wind.
In love life Rudd we were talking about Drones in UK that were shaped like octopus running into the wind power blades. Not you! We have pinnochio drones, lexus drones, we call in different cases. Not you personally!!

Thanx

@Kenray.... Like five people here, who do you think is cointel ?. The ones that pointed out the significant errors just discussed, incorrect lighting, and wind data, and dates? There may be more to possibly correct, does that mean its a campaign by government? Puleeze. big stretch. Won't work either. People have now graduated past most of that name dropping crap. Cut it out.
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« Reply #659 on: Apr 15th, 2009, 2:14pm »

At UFOCasebook we strive to promote a tolerant and comfortable atmosphere for all members and naturally lively debate is always more than welcome but only when conducted in a respectful manner, irrespective of differing beliefs.

Ruud has repeatedly stated that any link to the Drones wasn’t made by himself so (at the minute) it’s a little unfair to qualify his image as such or associate his intent as akin to that of the –original- Drone witnesses, he has also come forward of his own accord and has proved more than willing to accommodate any and all questions. Any perceived factual discrepancies or possible errors related to the images or the testimony should be presented in a genial and respectful manner or not at all.

Even if these recent images are somewhat Drone-related they’re better off in their own thread, and as this recent sighting has been constantly linked to the Drone sightings I have moved/pinned the thread (which was created earlier) to the Drone section for this particular sighting (here) as it already contains some early ideas/analysis.

As always, the continued participation and cooperation of all members is greatly appreciated. smiley
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