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« Reply #765 on: May 8th, 2009, 3:40pm »

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on May 8th, 2009, 3:06pm, Marvin wrote:
Ah, I think the line is longer.

June 29, 2007 by Lev

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Going back through the early posts, is a "who's who" experience and the issues and solutions were right there all along... posted for all to see (Verstohlen missed the incorrect angle of lighting issue, but it was a good post and analysis for May 2007). It could have saved everyone a lot of time... but folks weren't listening back then.


Nice find Marv!
And Look who buried him!! from the Getgo
Latitude,
Endzone
Mgrandin,
sound familiar?
Its was setup to squelch any voice of reason..
5/16/2007 endzone
5/16/2007 Watching waiting
NumbNutz 5/23/2007
mgrandin 5/24/2007.Yeah, I know I can make the list biiger..Thats why..this was a professional job.not amateur hoax but a professional commercial ,.Just like Arlington says..read between all the lines..he is being very Sarcastic and self ingratiating to himself and their crew.
They thought they could pull it off.But its us laughing now.
And boy is it some hard laffin' !
But gee it was a lot of time lost..They ganged up on people like Thugs.sad
They tried to bury the truth, but its just as persistent as like that little blade of grass, that against all odds, one sees come up out of the cement sidewalk., leaving one wondering how did it do that.
I am glad we did this , for people just like Verstahlen and Chcgowriter.
We lost a little..time, but our adversaries lost a whole lot more than that.
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« Reply #766 on: May 8th, 2009, 4:19pm »

on May 8th, 2009, 3:40pm, John Henry wrote:
And Look who buried him!! from the Getgo
Latitude,
Endzone
Mgrandin,
sound familiar?
Its was setup to squelch any voice of reason..
5/16/2007 endzone
5/16/2007 Watching waiting
NumbNutz 5/23/2007
mgrandin 5/24/2007.
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I am glad we did this , for people just like Verstahlen and Chcgowriter.

That thread was one of the first places I commented/posted on the Drones and was definitely the first time I posted on that thread, ahh, happy days…..

on Jun 13th, 2007, 7:57pm, DrDil wrote:
There are numerous inconsistencies, but for me the real clues were the actions (or rather lack of) the people who witnessed the craft. Personally I’d be making so much, “Noise” about the craft that there would be a lot more people sitting up and taking notice than a handful of internet forums.

The mere fact that these craft have text on them that is obviously a bastardized foreign language or a morphed sci-fi one is testament in itself. It still doesn’t stop me being intrigued by the motivations of the original posters. Or the fact that the craft themselves are very different from one another.

It just seems too elaborate to be hoaxers or dis-info agents, although I feel that inevitably that is what they will turn out to be, I have a great deal of difficulty believing that it is just a viral marketing campaign as is being bandied about on several other forums. And I must admit to being amazed at what people with a basic knowledge of 3D software packages have been able to create within a day or so.
(Here & Here )

For all this is widely perceived as a hoax I’m still looking forward to the truth coming out and I think the full experience will still prove to be something a landmark case in the field of UFO research, even if it is for all of the wrong reasons.

I think that there will undoubtedly be more alleged sightings, maybes even offering greater detail and more complex explanations.

But until the true identities of Chad & co. is finally revealed I believe that the reasoning and motivations will provide much speculation & discussion on the subject, which when all is said & done can only be a good thing.

Hold on a minute, that means I joined Casebook between 11A & Raj @ OM on that timeline!! (And posted the above betweeen Stephen & Ty & before Isaac stating that I believed further reports: "offering greater detail and more complex explanations" may appear, hmmm.... wink)

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« Reply #767 on: May 8th, 2009, 4:30pm »

Hi doc yeah, I saw that too, but not applicable! as there was a cohesion here between these characters not present with or between anyone just dropping in for the view for at the same time. They demonstrated exclusive organization and attempts at placement , financing, controlling and directing the entire debate from the very onset.

Of course, if there is something you'd like to tell me, I don't know about....well..we can work something out..
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« Reply #768 on: May 8th, 2009, 4:47pm »

on May 8th, 2009, 4:30pm, John Henry wrote:
Hi doc yeah, I saw that too, but not applicable! as there was a cohesion here between these characters not present with or between anyone just dropping in for the view for at the same time. They demonstrated exclusive organization and attempts at placement , financing, controlling and directing the entire debate from the very onset.

Of course, if there is something you'd like to tell me, I don't know about....well..we can work something out..
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Heh, heh, I was just playing and I know what you mean, a collusion is certainly possible but it just feels like I’ve watched certain friendships ‘blossom’ (as it were) before us. Notably Lat & Endzone, it seems as if they were in it together from the outset then Endzone would have migrated to the DRT at its inception, rather than after the fact and I strongly suspect that the moderator status which was subsequently bestowed was at the exclusive request of Lat, of course that’s purely conjecture but it seems the most plausible scenario from what I observed, my point being if an association were there such as you suggest then would it not be more obvious?

I always felt like it was more of a ‘group-think’ thing rather than a pre-determined one, I’m perhaps relying to much on my initial instincts, first impressions and all that. But the friendship thing I mention seemed unnecessarily elaborate if this was (as you suggest) an organised & concerted effort.

Cheers. smiley


(Heh, heh, I just saw your edit!! grin
Always the gentleman I must insist only after you elaborate and elucidate on your, ahem, association with all things 'Drone' kiss)

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« Reply #769 on: May 8th, 2009, 5:19pm »

I know you were kidding! There were some friendhips struck for sure. Quite a few in DRT were in the dark as much as we were, waiting for answers that never came, I only highlighted what I believed to be the core , the sin que non, this would never have gotten this far.
Only those of us like yourself and Marvin, and myself, who have gone back to the beginning, to reread and thrash thru the miasma of thousands of posts, to rediscover new material, can understand the full import and dynamics, the human drama, the magnitude of what transpired here. We must be careful, of course, not to miss those extreme subtleties colorfully referred to by Arlington. grin

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« Reply #770 on: May 8th, 2009, 7:53pm »

While we are talking over old times, with that important anniversary just a couple of days away, I'll post this. I was looking to see when I signed up at OMF, and it turns out it was on May 23, '07, just a few hours after spf33 signed up at the same place. I also found an email reply I made to a friend who asked me what I thought of the situation. This was the day after I signed up at OMF, May 24, or two weeks after the "Chad Product" dropped:

Pretty weird, huh? Lots of things pointing to a hoax, but boy are they good pictures. The stories don't add up, and there is no real person to be interviewed as far as I know. A good guess would be some kind of "viral" marketing, but it looks expensive. I found a discussion board with some knowledgeable and level headed participants. Like some of the smarter ones there keep saying, there just isn't enough information to go on. Some of the participants there have made similar pictures in a few hours or less, to prove that it's really pretty easy if you know what you are doing and have the necessary software.

Over at the UFO Updates page, there is this from Dr. Bruce Maccabee, noted optical physicist and intelligent UFO investigator:

"Getting pictures of this is apparently easy. Getting close to
it is also easy. so why not get a telephoto lens and get some
real closeup pictures? Hmmmmm...."


Seems like "Chad," the original poster at Coast to Coast, could easily get some amazing and potentially valuable video if his story were even mostly true.

To me, it fairly screams "well organized techno-geek prank," but what do I know? If I see one floating above town, I'll try to get a fuzzy picture with my telephone.


It really is appalling how effective the bullying and the "teamwork" was, whether it was planned or spontaneous. This should have been dead within weeks, but by playing on our good faith and our sense of fair play, along with several other techniques, it was dragged out far, far longer than it would have been had all the players been honest. Those are all the hallmarks of a successful con artist, but I suppose it could have just been a lot of natural talent leading the way, and not necessarily a professional.
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« Reply #771 on: May 8th, 2009, 8:41pm »

Hey Admiral!
We got Lev and SCC connected, and working together.
and their dummy sites.

maybe DRT, LMH were just dupes, at the waterhole, just trying to capitalize, after all veracity is irrelevant in the business, just the illusion , even Sex is in the head anyway.. the verasimilitude is all thats needed. Won't be the first hoax they made a buck off of.

Say nice quote, Double..once the "herd" started stampeding, no stopping it. A few ran the herd right over any dissent.

and check out Melony Thaxton, remember the sisters from Arkansas that saw a drone with lights.? She apeared on Whitleys Forum, then went on LMH for the report.
She has a nice little myspace, nice lady..and guess what music she has playing after you you get to her site...ELO, Electric Light Orchestra..boy was tthat rich.They have quite a following ..hahahahahaha.
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=309786266

Nothing unusual about that..but perhaps
what follows is.

Now she had registered in September 2006 as MelodyTigress..doesnt say a word until november 2007
at Unknown Country.
From Unknown Country: http://www.unknowncountry.com/board/messages/5626/28595.html
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Posted on Tuesday, November 20, 2007 - 10:30 pm:
Ok yesterday when I was leaving work I saw one of those drones, and there were others who saw it as well. Someone asked me if I got a picture. I did not, my camera phone isn't good enough to get a good picture but this thing was like those pictures Whitley had link to click on in one of his journals to look at. These maybe man made, but they can disappear with a cloaking device because I watched it disappear! I don't know why but I am wondering if this has something to do with controlling the weather. It is only a thought but this thing was in the middle of town.

Then to answer some questions a few days later:
Username: melodytigress
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Posted on Sunday, November 25, 2007 - 4:58 pm:

Michael & Allen to answer your questions: I saw in Fort Smith Arkansas hovering over a business close to where I work. It was during rush hour time. It wasn't very high and at first I thought it was a helicopter but there was no sound, and there would have been sound. Then as I was looking at it while it was moving I noted the shape, with that open shape in the middle. It then just disappeared
Prior experiences not mentioned by LMH in her report.

I saw three lights in the sky in the late 80's, they were very much like What Whitley had described before only I saw other things going into the lights. Later on that year I had a "visit' either by my guardian angel or a "vistor" show up sitting on my bed telling me they would always be my friend at first I thought it was my husband but when (he) spoke I knew it wasn't but yet I was not afraid at the time.

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"It's disappointing enough to see Whitley set the standard so very low for declaring something to be real.

"Even more disappointing to see him insult those with a differing opinion."

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Set the standard low? I don't think so. We not only interviewed the witnesses, we investigated their backgrounds. They are not a "group" of hoaxers, but ordinary people who saw something strange. Some of them have photos, and Anne and I actually found the exact location where the drone had been photographed by the bicyclists in Northern California. In addition, we did photo investigation of the images that were hi-res enough to be examined, and there was not the slightest evidence of tampering. Not only that, the film from the Alabama photo was absolutely not tampered with.


Where is the low standard in that? The truth is, the drones look odd, so people can't accept them. But they are almost certainly out there. I would never rule out some super-elaborate hoax, but why? Just to fool us? Not likely.

I actually asked a number of the people who were accused of viral marketing, most notably the Transformers team. They said they hadn't done it.

The ISAAC document is much less clear in its provenance. There is a certain amount of indication that the objects pictured look like pipe pigging parts.

But the odd thing is that the text reeks of authenticity.
(edit by sys...you know..like the New Car smell Spray you buy at the store)

It is very like such texts I have read, that are no longer classified. So the author certainly had access to such.

As to the CIG animations on YouTube. Forget it. All fake.

There is nothing in my previous post that would insult anybody. But I stand by my statement that, unless you prove the witnesses to be fake, you must accept the drones as probably real.


Put a sock in it Whit!

Am I reading this right?
WTH photos was he looking a?..Lets see them..He and his wife found the location? spoke to the cyclists?
Who is kidding who who here!

Now, Do these sound like Dupes? or People going along with the program!
I changed my mind..
I would love to say Gullible..but I know they've been in the business tooooo long
Hmm I have to look at my list of questions to see if I covered that.
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« Reply #772 on: May 8th, 2009, 9:57pm »

Holy Cow, John Henry! Them be some whoppers from ol' Strieber. What a load of BS! No wonder he doesn't mention the drones any more. "Not the slightest evidence of tampering." laugh laugh Did he ask his good buddy Dana Augustin to help with the "investigation?" That guy is smart enough not to touch it with a stick, I bet. The Alabama film is absolutely not tampered with? Film? He has the negatives? Weren't those digital photos? As I recall, the one of the cable splicing trailer was supposedly shot with a cell phone. But even if the "Kitchen Gadget" drone was shot with a film camera, Strieber has seen the film? Or at least knows who has it? It would seem there is an awful lot that he and LMH are not telling us! Even more than we might have imagined.

Gawd! It just goes on and on!

To clarify my email quoted above, it was written before the Big Basin Cluster, ah, of junk appeared, and the associated absurd stories, and the Isaac crap. I still recall laughing when I first saw the BB Thing, and the Isaac stuff was so obviously bogus that I stopped paying attention to the drone mess altogether. I jumped back in after Strieber saw one trying to hump his ceiling fan in some other dimension or something. Just what we need, hybrid ceiling fans.
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« Reply #773 on: May 9th, 2009, 12:13am »

Remeber truether??Lev this is funny.
when his blog first went up OCT 2007





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« Reply #22 on: Oct 6th, 2007, 10:58pm »

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While looking at this site as a guest a couple of hours ago Isaw this site mentioned:www.livyatan.blogspot.com.Then in a matter of minutes it was gone! What is this place?

hahahahahaha..he is good..Nothing happened to the site..that was his intro..at the time..you know I liked that Blog a lot..wish he had let it stay up..

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« Reply #774 on: May 9th, 2009, 08:27am »

When Striebers first book came out many of us, me especially, where convinced he had truly been abducted. Now that his books aren't selling or his consultancy is not wanted on any of the new movies coming out in Sci-Fi, he seems to be grabbing at straws and he's beginning to look very foolish! I don't know if at first he payed the neighbors and friends who where his witnesses or not, but I now believe him to be a complete fraud and I'm very sorry for that. It kinda pi**es me off!
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« Reply #775 on: May 9th, 2009, 2:59pm »

He is a good writer thats for sure, and quite charismatic. and in 2005 ken Nolan got 3 million dollars from Sony, for a 75 page treatment of Striebers The Grays..which Strieber is currently working on. Not To mention What Strieber got for 2012 from Warners durine June 2007 when Drones were at fever pitch. With over 50 copyright rerenced materials, perhaps he should have stuck to that and genuine research, as opposed to some of the things going on which in the long run can alienate people and even entire fan bases. One reads LMHs background flaunted constantly, and its based on worka long time ago, as opposed to recent. It reads like another person entirely. Beyond me what happened..maybe..power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Thats applicable to every field of human endeavour.
Let me finish now with melody, and why she may have reported that in November 25.2007 Was she under any kind of influence or manipulation.. I have no clue.
But this may help.
Here is our Witness Melody..Remember I am not attributing anything dishonest here with her. Let me make that clear..

What we have are exceptionally sensitive people, experiencing exceptional and extraordinary events.
What I do imply is perhaps a manipulation of people like this to perhaps..suit someone elses purposes.

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Here is I believe someone suspiciously like Numbers aka Latitude, same first name, with a whole new attitude..You would hardly think it..You can choose not to think it. Its a rather unusual coincidence.
http://newnumber2.gaia.com/ David W hmm..The transformation is not complete.
There are some things however which don't seem to Jibe with what we already know,, like location.
Mind you, he has been here at this site since November 2006, and visited only after 500 plus days. What was curious to me were his blurbs,

He has been a "friend" of melody since at least Jan 1, 2007, according to to both profiles.
http://tigressong.gaia.com/
So things are not so spontaneous as they appear.

before her revelation in November 2007, where Latitude, aka numbers, 10538, etc. is also a member at Unknowncountry.
http://newnumber2.gaia.com/
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Put this together with what came after with Whitleys revelation and the Second Chance.then later in 2008, admitting

it may have been a dream albeit one lulu of a dream.

How true that is.

You decide what to make of this.

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« Reply #776 on: May 9th, 2009, 6:09pm »

This is part of the equation of what I make of it: grin
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« Reply #777 on: May 9th, 2009, 8:09pm »

Yes but we love good stories, and the storytellers,and have become accustomed to their tall tales. Its when there is a crossover from hollywood into our sphere, to inject non existent events, along with real people to push them, and then manipulate perspectives and points of view, that things become dangerous. The natural order of things can go into a state of imbalance with unintended and unpredictable consequences.
Its happening with the conspiracy sites fostering a neverending mistrust of people in their own governments, and neighbors, incubating fears of future extermination by the government, that people are helpless and should rise up, its a growing frenzy with each piece of chum thrown into the mindstream..and it will result in us being devoured by our own nightmares, just like a self fulfilling prophecy. Thats why we follow this story .its the manufacturer of snake oil and its network Not the one or two salespeople in mom and pop shops, we need to identify and zero in on.




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on May 9th, 2009, 8:09pm, John Henry wrote:
Its happening with the conspiracy sites fostering a neverending mistrust of people in their own governments, and neighbors, incubating fears of future extermination by the government, that people are helpless and should rise up, its a growing frenzy with each piece of chum thrown into the mindstream..and it will result in us being devoured by our own nightmares. like a self fulfilling prophecy. Thats why we follow this story .its the manufacturer of snake oil and its network Not the one or two salespeople in mom and pop shops, we need to identify.

You can say that again. I don’t frequent ATS or others too much anymore partly because of the “everything is a conspiracy” take I get. It becomes too much when everything that happens has to have some spin put on it. It ticks me off actually when I read beliefs of cover-ups, manipulations, preplanning and a host of others accolades that are magnitudes beyond the believability of the “event” just being what it is. I dislike it even more when I see human achievements degraded, i.e. faked moon landing, alien assisted technologies etc. I often get the feeling if you do not believe the government (PTB’s) are controlling everything down to the most minute detail you are considered gullible. It’s the opposite extreme of not believing anything. Movies, TV and books contribute too when the audience can’t distinguish fact from fantasy.
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