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« Reply #975 on: May 31st, 2009, 1:00pm »

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Finding the occasional straw of truth awash in a great ocean of confusion and bamboozle requires intelligence, vigilance, dedication and courage. But if we don't practice these tough habits of thought, we cannot hope to solve the truly serious problems that face us - and we risk becoming a nation of suckers, up for grabs by the next charlatan/hoaxer/predador who comes along.


A statement, altered some, from Carl Sagan.
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« Reply #976 on: May 31st, 2009, 2:18pm »

Thats a good one..
Unaltered..Quote
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« Reply #977 on: May 31st, 2009, 2:43pm »

on May 31st, 2009, 1:00pm, masker33 wrote:
A statement, altered some, from Carl Sagan.


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One of the saddest lessons of history is this:

If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. it is simply too painful to acknowledge -- even to ourselves -- that we've been so credulous.

(So the old bamboozles tend to persist as the new bamboozles rise.)


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« Reply #978 on: May 31st, 2009, 4:24pm »

Yes, I added hoaxers and predators. What has happened to valor and the LAP? After all language is a program. Sorry off topic!
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« Reply #979 on: May 31st, 2009, 6:28pm »

on May 31st, 2009, 4:24pm, masker33 wrote:
Yes, I added hoaxers and predators. What has happened to valor and the LAP? After all language is a program. Sorry off topic!

Iíve only commented on that particular thread the once and as Woy posted prior (5 times in a row) I thought an answer may be forthcoming sooner rather than later, personally I think thereís a little bit too much onus on Ďthe better partí (i.e. Ďdiscretioní). Woy also says that heís a magician about to pull a rabbit out of a hat which is fine by me because Iím quite adept at spotting sleight of hand!! grin

However, I guess only time will tell but judging by the time elapsed since the thread was started and coupled with the vague & cryptic presentations to date I suspect that it will inevitably prove to be anti-climatic, but to be honest where the Drones are concerned itís merely par for the course.

Cheers.

(Speaking of vague I see Tomi is online and we never did hear any more on the 'bird-dog' riddle, so how about it Tomi? wink)
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« Reply #980 on: May 31st, 2009, 6:46pm »

Being an old school type of person myself, I checked and asked around , According to some genuine and very reliable veterans of the Fringware culture , Iron feather, ec, The real counterculture people, and revolutionaries, They thought woy's material akin to someone like Cheech and Chong of Ufology, too late for vietnam, missing the yippies, but just in time for Iraq to recycle the old marijuana rastafarian symbology , beer kegs, stale arguments and peace signs...They wondered about him , in using the Shwa references at facebook, as he knows nothing about the man, let alone where he is.
I think Dr.Dil..Retooled Hippie was quite apro pro for the past and current circumstances.smiley

I saw Night at Museum...First Class! trounces Terminator..Fox still made out..Thats its baby too

I also Just cam back from Up! in 3D
Wow..
Great Flick!

Terminator Salvation..boo hoo.

I plan on setting up a movie review site with my Gran
Thats my goal to see every movie out there with her until I drop...
Not quite made up my mind on actual name review site ..
she is really good for an 11 year old.
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« Reply #981 on: May 31st, 2009, 8:12pm »

I admit, that as a hoax, I find it hard to reconcile the Drone photos with the Isaac/Caret Info. Even the one on the tarmac. Does anyone think one fed off the other? If so, which came first and are they both Hollywood related? Somehow, I find more credence in the Isaac story. I guess I won't to.
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« Reply #982 on: May 31st, 2009, 9:12pm »

the premise of someone working on the inside make copies and releasing them goes past Deep throat, and to films like "Spook who sat by the door" a not quiteBlacksploitation film that was popular and suddenly taken out of circulation, late sixties. There the hero a quiet spoken Black man makes it through an affirmative action CIA recruitment drive. There It was hoped they would demoralize him, failing that . the reward for passing grueling tests, is assigning him the exciting position of copy boy. Eventually he tires of this and he starts making copies of all the CIA ops training as well as military documents, and then leaves to starts training revolutionary sleeper cells.. Each cell responsible for training nd creating more cells like the original. That was a non sci fi.. but very plausible fiction. you can go to lots of sci fi films, and they have some secret lab, and some disgruntled agent doing he same. Thats why you want to believe, because when it comes to secrets..why everyone has or wants one, and if its something you werent supposed to know, pavlovian response at the gesture of one being proffered is..quite inherent in most of us. It really is a dangled carrot syndrome.
Thats why hollywood..gives us little trailers or peeks underneath the hem of an upcoming fick or book..It works like a charm.
Especially when Isaac said he had hundreds of documents, i.e., several bushels worth, and he would see how it played out.
There are some still salivating waiting. Fortunately very few.

There probably is a secret lab somewhere making something exotic because thats what all such groups do, even if to give the Illusion of having an edge.
The Russians use to fly planes in their parade that were quite feared bythe US..They knew how to fly the very few they really had underneath the radar, circle around, as if to give the impression or illusion they had hundreds of them. It worked for quite a while.
I doubt however a super secret project on ETs and antigravity would be putting anty gravity or ET on the front cover or inside as part of the documents that are crossed thru and yet not cross thru that.
You get enough reports from UFO community tagging air bases, reporting mile long triangles, you get someones attention.
And if you missed the illustrator analysis..well then you missed a lot. I suggest check that out at OM or Dronehoax.com . A canadian Zen Anarchist kind of trounced the authenticity of the eighties fonts argument. But this is ancient history now.

The story is very old, the pix came later.
It will be the same in the future, in one form or another, as old as Adam and Eve's first Lie. Lies have pretty good recycling traits and are extremely reusable. If BS were electricty every society would be self sufficient.
So when Josh, my mentor in abstentia says he was so engrossed with the story that he paced back and forth all night at the studio despite his and his staffs history with sci fi..and homage to x files that is replete with such secrets within secrets, you can bet your life that voltage meter went off the scales. smiley
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« Reply #983 on: May 31st, 2009, 10:21pm »

I'm a bit rusty, so maybe someone here can help me out. How many shirtloads to the bushel, again?

It was demonstrated beyond reasonable doubt, by people who know what they are doing, that the "parts" on Isaac's concrete floor were the same CGI bits that the drones were made up of. Not similar, but the same. Then there was the license plate on the BB Thing. And on and on. Maybe Masq has forgotten those several chapters. I know he was there...
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« Reply #984 on: May 31st, 2009, 10:26pm »

Please provide information as to where this was referenced from.
"The Russians use to fly planes in their parade that were quite feared bythe US..They knew how to fly the very few they really had underneath the radar, circle around, as if to give the impression or illusion they had hundreds of them. It worked for quite a while"

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« Reply #985 on: May 31st, 2009, 11:30pm »

on May 31st, 2009, 10:26pm, backlit wrote:
Please provide information as to where this was referenced from.
"The Russians use to fly planes in their parade that were quite feared bythe US..They knew how to fly the very few they really had underneath the radar, circle around, as if to give the impression or illusion they had hundreds of them. It worked for quite a while"

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My lord that was during the coldwar and arms race before the fall of the soviet empire televised about 5 or more years ago. Could have been history or 60 minutes..prob the former. It was on a television documentary explaining how the various methods employed against each other. If I am not mistaken a similar documentarry if not the same, had the Russians employ citizen reports of ufos very actively, but it backfired when citizens began reporting trails and lights from their own secret projects, which was then put to advantage by the Americans in pinponting locations for surveilance.
Deception like this is nothing new. Ghengis khan used it quite effectively in raising clouds of dust, and and even fake cavalry riders and equipment to swell their ranks and intimidate the enemy.
If I am able to locate that exact program..I will gladly post it. It was funny when I saw it.

The same program had the Russians with a xerox copy machine in KGB headquarters., placed by American agents, and which had a camera invered so that it copied what the KGB staff was running off. A service man (our agents) would come and "repair" or "service" by removing the film.
Caught only after a looooooong time, when looking for a mole, decided to weigh two machines, and noticed one was heavier. They found the camera --albeit--late.
I personally liked the Russian boyscouts awarding a plaque to a UN official..which had a camera in it too.
It would have been that program..I am sure others have seen it.

The internet is no less a battlefield, and The Russians and Chinese have already proven there mettle against Georgians and the Pentagon here.

Very neat , though disturbing stuff.

I'm a bit rusty, so maybe someone here can help me out. How many shirtloads to the bushel, again?
hahahaha that was ..good ..very good. Double .I can see both of us are familar with farm terminology and garden tools. smiley
The thing about BS is its odorless, but prolonged exposure leaves victims bereft of senses, disoriented, and even frequently broke and very irate., the effects cannot be washed off immediately
The immediate area has to be literally, repeat, literally hosed down with real facts and the truth.
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« Reply #986 on: May 31st, 2009, 11:54pm »

Yep, not too far off the farm, in terms of generations, at least.

A guy mentioned to me one time that his brother had a big cattle ranch in Texas. Then he told me, "He called me up all excited one day and said he'd finally figured out how to make money at cattle ranching. Said all he did was put some oil wells in the pasture, in between the cows."
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« Reply #987 on: Jun 1st, 2009, 12:05am »

amazing the stuff that comes from Texas grin

@ Masker: I guess I won't to. isn't that by Chris Brown ? grin
or was that I won't that.. haven't kept up lately.
But what do you think the paradigm shift will be..?

Now , conveniently, Today is the day they are announcing a Paradignm Shift! Phase III by the Paradigm Group.
http://faxonwashington.org/
Masker you are ahead of the curve! Kudos.
This may very well herald in a new era for the Drones! either front center row, or the Leviathan Abyss and Oblivion.
You know they hold all those marvelous X conferences, and a rather not insubstantial amount of money comes from a handful of donors, 10K a pop, 50k , the rest 1 k types. no one yet for 50k that gives you a voting share and seat on the Board, but they are working on it..
Like the Tele-vangelists in a way..some from nearby Walnut Creek, near Daniel Sheehan, the lawyer, none of whom, conferences 2005 to now have ever mentioned the drones, that I am aware of, and it was in their backyards, and on the PIs front porch...
Not even a "Well the letters look almost familiar. That would have been enough..but mis amigos, mon amis, mein Freunds, mi amicci (like don a micchee)...nothing.

I can't wait to hear what the new developments are, they had to postpone and make the ETS wait in the Lobby, while Obama straightened out the economy, and Michelle changed the curtains. Ets are very patient. I can imagine, Fox said, heck no, not again..Warners llets call it a day, Halcyon, Dang! Linda we can still make a crop circle maker out of it! but don't say that on the air.smiley Noorey, what drones? Lets see if they even get a mention, even an honorable mention for the perceived dis info, part of the imaginary people is welcome. Sacre Bleu !Anything !
HogD crew Do something! Hire a bum to play Isaac if you have to. This is too important to be flushed down the tubes! Organize a Million Believers March, get the Raelians to cross over from Canada, COS, and even the 911 crowd for kicks, to March on DC. Better yet, send some anonymous email to the hoods that the Gov is secretly working with the White People from Space!, and somebody is being left out of a piece of the pie..You'll get 10 million with placards "wassup with that! Jeepers..don't they know how to organize?!


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« Reply #988 on: Jun 1st, 2009, 12:07pm »

SEMI OT, but cool...

Check out this guy - look at the fret inlays on the guitars - think he's seen the Isaac docs? hehehehe.

http://www.philgawen.com/phigaguitars.htm
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« Reply #989 on: Jun 1st, 2009, 12:12pm »

Beauty of guitar bro.
Those designs are already in the crop circle alphabet and in the mind stream..way way before the LAP Even HP now has the circle tech..on their Laps. Androind been using the same circles ..which in his stood for the DJ turntables and Speakers to very good effect, I might add.
I am sure you have seen them.
Lev plays too, at least the young one.
http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=drone&num=1185540957&action=display&start=1260 wayback in 2007
Leviathan never appeared very balanced - its interventions on OM and UfoCaseBook often intrigued, because of its many reversals, and sometimes incomprehensible formulations. It broke with these two forums to join Book-of-Thoth. (http://www.book-of-thoth.com/ftopicp-152528.html#152528). It makes a point of being presented now under the name of ' Leviathan' Group, and has just placed a band announces on YouTube (http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=dOFXbVkb7y4). To draw the attention, Leviathan claims to have been the recipient of two images, clearly cgi, which in fact left its imagination. Its preceding interventions do not plead in its favour; it is right a diversion, which I register in the chronology of the events for his capacity of harmful effect."
but he took it down sad but hey some good came out. Now they are all he best of friends.

I wish I had one of BB kings "Lucy"..Bet they are worth a fortune..even if wore out..smiley
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I'm curious Ken, Is the Council of Nine made up of all CGI artists too.?
Not talking Lavey's COS here..as this is a Mike Aquinas offshoot, with branches in UK , Holland, and Denmark. Just curious..
The former had good rules of restraint, where as latter, is a little less inhibited and a tad very bizarre, from our POV.
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