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« Reply #1005 on: Aug 28th, 2009, 11:09am »

on Aug 28th, 2009, 10:28am, tomi01uk wrote:
Yes of course.. duh.. Spf didn't put a password on the site, so Raj hacked his own site.. and put porn up himself.


He did not have to hack his account. He only had to pretend, it was hacked. Nobody else confirmed this. - Maybe Ivo would do this, since he also confirmed the reality of Rajman and also Jack Sahakian.

And here we connect to the other's discussion here: At OMF they are very quick with confirming things, helping the hoaxers to play their games.

We only have to remember the "Robert"-story. I was amazed, when I saw that. I had been offline for some time and found a lot of posts deleted, people being warned and Jed took his hat, because he had enough of that nonsense...

But to be fair: Carrion lost a lot of respect from me, too. If he had just left it with the nonames, okay, but that agents-nonsense really sounds quixotic.
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« Reply #1006 on: Aug 28th, 2009, 11:45am »

on Aug 28th, 2009, 11:09am, SiddReader wrote:
He did not have to hack his account. He only had to pretend, it was hacked. .


Well,.. yeah I get that. I was using the word hacked figuratively. Bringing others into the main witness aspects is diluting the core case. Raj was quick on his feet, (very sophisticated response) and very convincing with everyone for a short time.. let's not sling hindsight out as hammers on others.. eh wink Cheers...
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« Reply #1007 on: Aug 28th, 2009, 11:48am »

on Aug 28th, 2009, 11:09am, SiddReader wrote:
We only have to remember the "Robert"-story. I was amazed, when I saw that. I had been offline for some time and found a lot of posts deleted, people being warned and Jed took his hat, because he had enough of that nonsense...



Sidd, that was silly, I agree. But necessary to maintain a type of .. err.. ummm .. well, yes it was silly.. but for the sake of ummm .. it was necessary to entertain his story for a bit..

edit to add: politeness..... for lack of a better word? !
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« Reply #1008 on: Aug 28th, 2009, 12:05pm »

One thing I don't get Mask, if it was a message and the public internet was the medium.. why were the key witnesses and Isaac initially so eager to please..

What benefit would some communications from those involved be to your theory?
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« Reply #1009 on: Aug 28th, 2009, 1:08pm »

Do you believe they were aware of the whole message. The entire story may have contained only a small message. One for a small audience. Ridicule and all that has followed may have been the perfect way of erasing the message or at least making sure the story in total never carries any weight. Does Mr. Carrion now seem to see the message or has someone told him to take a look again.

Still OMF is not a cult just a useful tool don't you think!

They do their job and no one is better than "fore".
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« Reply #1010 on: Aug 28th, 2009, 1:11pm »

on Aug 28th, 2009, 09:41am, Jeddyhi wrote:
The moderator Fore is even preparing to do some Pyschic tests to get back up to full strength and is asking for volunteers. shocked


Just an FYI.....mod Fore who claims such awesome psychic powers has miserably failed when asked by me to prove his psychic abilities by telling me what color my office is. A very simple question which was answered by him with a drawing of what he believed my office looked like (no color included) and the discliamor that this is what came to mind but he didnt believe it was correct. When asked again about the test he claimed i asked him to describe my office and did not realize he was simply supposed to tell me the color......which he still has not done
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« Reply #1011 on: Aug 28th, 2009, 1:32pm »

on Aug 28th, 2009, 09:41am, Jeddyhi wrote:
Realistically, the only party to suffer any damage from this whole affair will be OM. They are coming off as evasive, secretive, uncooperative and actually kind of rude.


I'm not entirley sure that is true Jedd. Whenever someone screams "he/they must be intelligence operatives!!!" They come off sounding like crackpots! It doesn't matter whos mouth it comes from.
It is very bad form, and James is the one who started this strange affair. He could have let his grudges (correct or no) lie, and carry on doing his job.

I think what you are saying is very clearly coming from personal gripes. Again, they may be justified or not, only you/they can say. But from someone who has no personal problem with either side of this argument, I can clearly say that it is James who is coming out of this looking bad. Not MUFON, not OMF.

I think the admins at OMF have responded with considerable restraint saying they are the ones being attacked and accused without much (any?) cause, or proof.

Mur, my point was that when you are the subject of accusations, and people make things up about you, it is a very horrible feeling when you are the victim. I am pointing out that you have partaken in it yourself (and you found you were wrong), and I just think you should remember that when you start saying things, and talking about rumours created by others. It is immensly damaging.

You did come clean, and you apologised (which was appreciated), but I still think it was a bit off when I considered you a friend.

I'm not perfect, far from, but I try my damned best to live by judge not, and ye shall not be judged.

I guess I am just someone who wished everyone just tried that bit harder to put things behind them, and build more bridges. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. So long as we hold on to these bitter emotions, and act in the ways we humans do... I'm not sure any alien life would actually want to know us.. so it makes it all a bit of a pointless search. Aliens aren't going to cure us of our bad side. Only we can do that ourselves.

Anyway, I'm probably coming off as preachy, and thats not what I intended... I just want everyone to just get along! Maybe it is just a dream. Viva la dreams!

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« Reply #1012 on: Aug 28th, 2009, 1:58pm »

on Aug 28th, 2009, 1:32pm, donkeykong wrote:
I'm not entirley sure that is true Jedd. Whenever someone screams "he/they must be intelligence operatives!!!" They come off sounding like crackpots! It doesn't matter whos mouth it comes from.
It is very bad form, and James is the one who started this strange affair. He could have let his grudges (correct or no) lie, and carry on doing his job.

I think what you are saying is very clearly coming from personal gripes. Again, they may be justified or not, only you/they can say. But from someone who has no personal problem with either side of this argument, I can clearly say that it is James who is coming out of this looking bad. Not MUFON, not OMF.

I think the admins at OMF have responded with considerable restraint saying they are the ones being attacked and accused without much (any?) cause, or proof.

Mur, my point was that when you are the subject of accusations, and people make things up about you, it is a very horrible feeling when you are the victim. I am pointing out that you have partaken in it yourself (and you found you were wrong), and I just think you should remember that when you start saying things, and talking about rumours created by others. It is immensly damaging.

You did come clean, and you apologised (which was appreciated), but I still think it was a bit off when I considered you a friend.

I'm not perfect, far from, but I try my damned best to live by judge not, and ye shall not be judged.

I guess I am just someone who wished everyone just tried that bit harder to put things behind them, and build more bridges. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. So long as we hold on to these bitter emotions, and act in the ways we humans do... I'm not sure any alien life would actually want to know us.. so it makes it all a bit of a pointless search. Aliens aren't going to cure us of our bad side. Only we can do that ourselves.

Anyway, I'm probably coming off as preachy, and thats not what I intended... I just want everyone to just get along! Maybe it is just a dream. Viva la dreams!

Peace

Kris




No, your not coming off as preachy lol. You just sound sincerely concerned and I appreciate that. Truthfully, I still harbor bad feelings from the first time James visited OM and the staff allowed the OMRT (future DRT) to just totally slaughter James all in the name of the Drones.

He wanted information from the OMRT to show that MUFON's preliminary Drone report was inaccurate. None ever came, just rude awful behavior. The staff did not stop it but rather joined in. I was staff at the time and was in disbelieve that this was going on, was allowed to go on, when dealing with the head of MUFON. It wasn't a good thing to let happen as we now see that James has not forgotten about it.

Because of this behavior on the public forum and subsequent private emails, it appears James became curious as to who exactly Ivo and Admin are. Is asking who they are such a horrible thing? Especially when the answer would have ended this sorrid affair days ago.

They handled James poorly back then and even worse now. They have taken a defensive stance instead of sharing a little about themselves. If this is all just a drama scene dreamed up by James for blog material, then it is working to his advantage.

I see no easy recovery for OM. It is a bed they have made, now they are being tucked in by James.

Either way, I'm done with chiming in. The head butting is becoming to aggressive. I will just observe the OM calamity from a distance. wink
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« Reply #1013 on: Aug 28th, 2009, 2:17pm »

on Aug 28th, 2009, 1:32pm, donkeykong wrote:
Whenever someone screams "he/they must be intelligence operatives!!!" They come off sounding like crackpots!


That's exactly, what I begin to think. And the longer the discussion lasts, the more it looks, as if UFOlogists are mainly busy with fussing and fighting each other, than with reality.

But I don't think, only James hurts himself. The more they write over there, the more nonsense will be visible.
Just an example: Having been banned twice - once temporarily, once absolutely - I know, that they are describing the procedure totally false. And it does not matter, if they are lying or if they really think, this is the truth. It's simply false.

I think it was you, Kris, who wrote over there, that it is a no-win situation (or was it shads?). I think, this is, what it is. And it is too late, to change this.

...but luckily soon there will be the next User joining and asking for those unbelievable real looking drones or Billy Meier's photos...
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« Reply #1014 on: Aug 28th, 2009, 2:32pm »

on Aug 28th, 2009, 1:58pm, Jeddyhi wrote:
No, your not coming off as preachy lol. You just sound sincerely concerned and I appreciate that. Truthfully, I still harbor bad feelings from the first time James visited OM and the staff allowed the OMRT (future DRT) to just totally slaughter James all in the name of the Drones.

He wanted information from the OMRT to show that MUFON's preliminary Drone report was inaccurate. None ever came, just rude awful behavior. The staff did not stop it but rather joined in. I was staff at the time and was in disbelieve that this was going on, was allowed to go on, when dealing with the head of MUFON. It wasn't a good thing to let happen as we know see that James has not forgotten about it.

Because of this behavior on the public forum and subsequent private emails, it appears James became curious as to who exactly Ivo and Admin are. Is asking who they are such a horrible thing? Especially when the answer would have ended this sorrid affair days ago.

They handled James poorly back then and even worse now. They have taken a defensive stance instead of sharing a little about themselves. If this is all just a drama scene dreamed up by James for blog material, then it is working to his advantage.

I see no easy recovery for OM. It is a bed they have made, now they are being tucked in by James.



This is exactly the way I see it
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« Reply #1015 on: Aug 28th, 2009, 2:49pm »

Bunch of outlaws.. rolleyes grin
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« Reply #1016 on: Aug 28th, 2009, 2:55pm »

on Aug 28th, 2009, 1:32pm, donkeykong wrote:
I'm not entirley sure that is true Jedd. Whenever someone screams "he/they must be intelligence operatives!!!" They come off sounding like crackpots! It doesn't matter whos mouth it comes from.


I don't think James screamed anything...he raised a legitimate concern.

on Aug 28th, 2009, 1:32pm, donkeykong wrote:
It is very bad form, and James is the one who started this strange affair. He could have let his grudges (correct or no) lie, and carry on doing his job.


He started it? Carrion connected the dots and saw a pattern and raised the question that no one at OMF wants to answer.
Instead they change the subject and accuse the accuser.

Actually, he never really accused anyone, just noticed a pattern which the admins at OMF deny

on Aug 28th, 2009, 1:32pm, donkeykong wrote:
I think what you are saying is very clearly coming from personal gripes. Again, they may be justified or not, only you/they can say. But from someone who has no personal problem with either side of this argument, I can clearly say that it is James who is coming out of this looking bad. Not MUFON, not OMF.


The admins could have easily worked this out, but they alone chose the path they are on...no one else.

on Aug 28th, 2009, 1:32pm, donkeykong wrote:
I think the admins at OMF have responded with considerable restraint saying they are the ones being attacked and accused without much (any?) cause, or proof.


Attacked? Restraint? He asked a few questions! OMF has been doing the attacking and they are/were fairly personal.
I've seen no attacks from Carrion any where near the level of the admins.

Jake has threatened Carrion repeatedly....bordering on blackmail


on Aug 28th, 2009, 1:32pm, donkeykong wrote:
Mur, my point was that when you are the subject of accusations, and people make things up about you, it is a very horrible feeling when you are the victim. I am pointing out that you have partaken in it yourself (and you found you were wrong), and I just think you should remember that when you start saying things, and talking about rumours created by others. It is immensly damaging.

You did come clean, and you apologised (which was appreciated), but I still think it was a bit off when I considered you a friend.


I apologize again...but this is different...OMF attacked Carrion and his credibility way back when.

So he asks a few questions about the owners and they clearly attack him.


What is it the the OM admins are so afraid of?

They certainly give me the impression they are hiding something, and I believe most folks not associated or even that have heard of OM, would think the same.

They have shot themselves in the foot...they have lost credibility. Once you lose it, it is real tough to get back.

Credibility is everything in ufolgy, one false step and you're done.

on Aug 28th, 2009, 1:32pm, donkeykong wrote:
I'm not perfect, far from, but I try my damned best to live by judge not, and ye shall not be judged.

I guess I am just someone who wished everyone just tried that bit harder to put things behind them, and build more bridges. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. So long as we hold on to these bitter emotions, and act in the ways we humans do... I'm not sure any alien life would actually want to know us.. so it makes it all a bit of a pointless search. Aliens aren't going to cure us of our bad side. Only we can do that ourselves.

Anyway, I'm probably coming off as preachy, and thats not what I intended... I just want everyone to just get along! Maybe it is just a dream. Viva la dreams!

Peace

Kris




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« Reply #1017 on: Aug 28th, 2009, 2:58pm »

on Aug 28th, 2009, 2:17pm, SiddReader wrote:
Having been banned twice - once temporarily, once absolutely - I know, that they are describing the procedure totally false. And it does not matter, if they are lying or if they really think, this is the truth. It's simply false.


Exactly...I've been banned 3 times, they are definitely not telling it as it is.

They know...they are lying.

My profile still says active

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« Reply #1018 on: Aug 28th, 2009, 3:17pm »

I honestly do not know if he was banned or not. He could have been banned for only a few hours, long enough for him to notice and to leave and not return.

OM claims he was never banned but what better way to make James look like a liar than to deny the banning.

I offer this as evidence that James' claim could well be true. April of 2008 he mentions the banning so it is not something he just recently decided to start saying.

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« Reply #1019 on: Aug 28th, 2009, 3:36pm »

Banned at OMF is an honor.

Do they still have their great god Dan?

My questions is still simple one, the Drones have been stated to have little lasting power as a real event an event defined by the witnesses and photos and research. This I grant, but does anyone see how they migrate into other incarnations and affairs. Can any of you ever trust a seemingly good UFO photo again? As other elements of an event far more complicated and personal become maneuverable such as memory and collaboration the CG photo will pale as an element of disinformation. You can count on this happening or it just may already be happening. Now you really must watch more than just the skies, but all around you. Truth where are you?

OMF is being changed. I think that is a nice way of putting it.
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