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« Reply #1035 on: Aug 28th, 2009, 5:31pm »

Never mind, it's just the picture you know already.

But did you see that one at OMF? It's too good, to ignore it:

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I always said, this is Eco-esque. In "The name of the rose" he mentioned that book of "The use of mirrors in a chess-game".

Here you are!

P.S.: Did not work, when I tried. So here is the URL also:
http://1.1.1.3/bmi/i26.tinypic.com/14ncj07.jpg

A really great joke and nobody realized it yet! MODs were to busy to carry on.
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« Reply #1036 on: Aug 28th, 2009, 6:03pm »

on Aug 28th, 2009, 5:31pm, SiddReader wrote:
Never mind, it's just the picture you know already.

But did you see that one at OMF? It's too good, to ignore it:

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I always said, this is Eco-esque. In "The name of the rose" he mentioned that book of "The use of mirrors in a chess-game".

Here you are!

P.S.: Did not work, when I tried. So here is the URL also:
http://1.1.1.3/bmi/i26.tinypic.com/14ncj07.jpg

A really great joke and nobody realized it yet! MODs were to busy to carry on.


tongue the link above won't load..
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« Reply #1037 on: Aug 28th, 2009, 6:21pm »

on Aug 28th, 2009, 11:09am, SiddReader wrote:
We only have to remember the "Robert"-story. I was amazed, when I saw that. I had been offline for some time and found a lot of posts deleted, people being warned and Jed took his hat, because he had enough of that nonsense...


It seemed like the OM admins were harboring and protecting Robert, who was such an obvious troll and liar, and it was really bizarre. The nonsense was building and building, and it got to the point where I signed up as GeneralDaddy and told Robert to leave the cars parts in the basement alone.

Masker were you the one posting as Robert?
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« Reply #1038 on: Aug 28th, 2009, 6:30pm »

During that time, they treated me suddenly with soft gloves. No warning, no banning, just one correction of my Netherlands... I was astounded myself.
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« Reply #1039 on: Aug 28th, 2009, 6:33pm »

on Aug 28th, 2009, 6:03pm, tomi01uk wrote:
tongue the link above won't load..


Mhm, maybe you got a bad connection today. I can see it all. Just look at cgspender's post over there. His mirrored formular is really impressive! Print it, cut it in the middle and hold it infront of a mirror. Maybe it will make you fly!
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« Reply #1040 on: Aug 29th, 2009, 03:28am »

on Aug 29th, 2009, 01:48am, tomi01uk wrote:
Well that was a particularly nasty attack by sys at me and I don't appreciate it being reposted.

What? Using glasses to disguise yourself, whatever…..

It’s gone, forget about it.
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« Reply #1041 on: Aug 29th, 2009, 3:07pm »

Perhaps cgspender could offer a hint what the discrete Fourier transform (DFT), written forward and backward, has to do with time, space, the LAP, or anything drone?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrete_Fourier_transform

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« Reply #1042 on: Aug 29th, 2009, 3:18pm »

Haha! I had no more questions, after I had googled for cgspender...
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« Reply #1043 on: Sep 8th, 2009, 12:20pm »

I always remember the following text fondly, it was posted back in the day as a direct rebuttal to the claims that the description of the antigravity device was too elaborate to be a hoax in any way, shape or form. So (chemical) Dave wrote the following in about 20 to 30 minutes as an example of how easy it could be if someone technically-inclined wanted to write such pseudoscientific prose:

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A.1a Additional physical characteristics of artifact 23.14, subset 3 (see Figure 12B.3)

ImageAlthough the function of this subset was not immediately evident, small filings taken from one edge and subjected to mass spectrometry analysis revealed a composition that was 56% titanium, 13% aluminum, 2% molybdenum, 1.3% boron, and the balance carbon. Microscopic examination showed that the material had an unusual composition, comprised of what appeared to be a carbon fiber network as a matrix within the alloy. Current technology does not provide a method for constructing such a carbon fiber matrix, but the material has high tensile strength and low ductility (see section C.21 for physical testing results).

X-ray analysis of this subset shows several opaque regions, suggesting that the interior composition is of even higher density than the outer material. In addition, there are translucent areas that contain rows of parallel high density “wires”, suggesting that this artifact may be some type of electrical or electronic device (see Figure A12.3a for X-ray plates).

The presence of a 10 x 10 array of small gold discs, approximately 1.2 mm in diameter, and spaced across one end of this artifact subset suggests the possibility of applying electrical current to the device. Measurements of resistivity between the different gold discs gave various readings, typically measured in megohms (see table A.12.T1 for resistance measurements). Discs had resistance measurements between as many as 2-6 other discs, and there were no connections between some discs. These high resistance measurements, if they do indicate that the device was supplied with electrical current, suggest that there was very little current drawn by the device during operation. Based on these measurements, a connectivity table illustrating the connections between the various discs is presented as Figure A.12.C1.

Identification of connectivity between various discs has led to experiments to apply small voltages to several of the apparently interconnected discs. DC voltages were applied from 1 to 500 millivolts, reversing polarity for each tested connection. For several of the connections, when 30-50 millivolts was applied, small colored areas on the surface of the device began to glow. These areas had not been previously identified by microscopic analysis, and appeared to be nearly homogenous with the surrounding material. We speculate that the elemental composition in these areas may differ in some way and small samples will be obtained for further analysis by mass spectrometry or neutron activation. We did not apply voltages higher than 500 millivolts for fear of damaging the device, although it is possible that it actually may not function at voltages this low. Also, the different connections may require different voltages, but we were only able to identify the illumination properties up to 50 millivolts. Illumination faded in these connections as the voltage was increased above 50 millivolts.

Beyond these additional findings, we remain at a loss to identify the function of this subset. Clearly, as it was originally removed from the larger subset (4 and 6), it likely must remain integrated within the group to function properly. We are presently awaiting completion of the analysis of these subsets, particularly the presence of complementary gold “contacts” in area 23.1.c of subset 4, that may interact with the contacts on this subset to provide some type of electrical conductivity or power.


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Unfortunately Dave first came to the forum on the back of an article that BJ published on the main website and in which Dave highlighted anomalies with the BB Drone, however he was unaware that there were several images and the one he was actually working off was third or fourth generation (at least) and his assessment showed glaring inaccuracies due to this, meaning that his word was tainted from the outset. Also CGI was never his forte and he never claimed it to be, much like myself he was more interested in the ‘written word’ and so his posts reflected this…..

I had quite a bit of contact with Dave outside of the forum and he was yet another individual with a brilliantly perceptive mind and one who had excelled in his respective field/s of study, obtaining the highest qualifications possible along with many accolades from his peers and had published many well-received studies (his particular field of study was somewhat betrayed by the screen-name he chose, i.e. “ChemicalDave”).

But alas (like many others of a similar ilk) the pro-Drone crowd scared him off, never to return…..

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« Reply #1045 on: Sep 8th, 2009, 6:41pm »

Why are you making fun of Dave and his contribution?
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« Reply #1046 on: Sep 8th, 2009, 7:45pm »

on Sep 8th, 2009, 6:41pm, StaffLetter28 wrote:
Why are you making fun of Dave and his contribution?

Hi StaffLetter28 smiley,

I suspect it's what Carrion calls, 'deflection'. laugh

on Sep 8th, 2009, 5:42pm, tomi01uk wrote:
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Hi Tomi,

Perhaps when posting videos which are blatantly off topic then a simple line of text in the form of a link would be better? I’m pleased you responded though as I saw this and thought of you so I can share the following text, it’s an excerpt form Vallee’s “Anatomy Of A Hoax.”

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The Prevalence of Hoaxes


One of the remarkable features of the study of the paranormal is the permanence and pernicious influence of hoaxes. Not only do spurious stories arise, as they would in any other field, but they are eagerly seized upon with little effort at initial verification, even by people who have an established reputation as objective researchers. Frank criticism of the process inevitably arises, but it is commonly mistaken for an attack upon the integrity or the intelligence of the advocates of the case who naturally feel defensive and harden their position. Those who continue to question the "evidence" tend to be assimilated with skeptics and their objections are often misrepresented.

Few tasks are as important in the field of paranormal investigation as the detection and elimination of hoaxes.

An area of research that does not police itself is eventually policed by others with utterly devastating consequences, as recent examples of fraud in academic research have shown. Popular ufology, which thrives on rumors, poorly-investigated reports, shoddy scholarship and outright fraud to the detriment of those genuine facts that are potentially relevant to science, provides a long history of colorful hoaxes that have come to define the field in the mind of the general public and have tainted it with a negative image in the view of scientists and educated laymen.

The problem with hoaxes is that they are charming, tantalizing, entertaining, and often correspond to what we would like to be true, as opposed to what is actually true.

Hoaxes have been defined as "deliberately concocted untruths made to masquerade as fact" (MacDougall 1958).

In a recent theoretical article on hoaxes, Marcello Truzzi notes that “there has been little deductive effort in social science specifically to describe or explain hoaxes." (Truzzi 1993).

He points out that according to Curtis MacDougall a hoax's success is the result of two sets of psychological forces acting within the victim: under the rubric "why we don't disbelieve" MacDougall lists ignorance, superstition, suggestion, prestige. Under "incentives to believe” he lists financial gain, vanity, chauvinism, prejudice, pet theories, the thirst for thrills, and cultural climate.

MacDougall also remarked: "When a hoax achieves the longevity to qualify for classification as myth or legend, hope of stopping it almost may be abandoned.”

I've only posted a couple of the paragraphs (of many) I thought particularly relevant and which I personally found enlightening.

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« Reply #1047 on: Sep 8th, 2009, 9:38pm »

Excellent post DrDil!

A hoax, by its simplest definition, is a trick. Most commonly performed to fool the intended target into believing something that in reality, is not true.

What other field of study can be hurt by hoaxes as much as Ufology? When a topic of study has its roots buried in controversy and lacks the 'smoking gun' evidence that would catapult the topic into mainstream acceptance, hoaxes only further agitate the topic and damage it's credibility.

Now consider a few possible reasons for a Ufology hoax.

1) A simple hoax for a few laughs.
2) A test of gullibility.
3) An attempt to prove researchers are inept.

And, to me the most important and damaging reason...

4) A direct, intentional disinfo story to deflect, occupy, and distract a researcher's time and effort. Time wasted on a hoax is time taken from the path to the truth.

Ufology is prone to mass hoaxes. The field is a perfect target for hoaxers. From simple ones like the windshield crack drone to the more complex, expensive ones that drag on for years.

I have stated over and over that a healthy dose of skepticism is certainly needed when examining any UFO case. If the case is strong, it will stand up to scrutiny and stand out as having merit. If not approached from a skeptical viewpoint, the researcher runs the chance of nurturing a hoax as they make excuses for the hoax symptoms, instead of questioning the veracity of the claim.

This is what keeps Ufology on the fringe of acceptance by the scientific community. Hoaxers hurt the field, but those that fall for the hoax sometimes hurt the field even more by propagating false information as having a basis in fact.

In essence, the golden rule of Ufology should be:
I'd rather mistakenly label a real sighting as a hoax than mistakenly label a hoax as a real sighting.


It is better to be fooled by the truth instead of a deception. Skepticism is wonderful thing. I think it leads to the truth more often than not.
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« Reply #1048 on: Sep 9th, 2009, 12:19am »

Guys, lighten up...

rolleyes

It wasn't personal.. if he is past 30 and American, I'm sure he's heard "Dave's not here" many times before... grin tongue And... rather than a violin... wink
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« Reply #1049 on: Sep 9th, 2009, 01:04am »

On a more serious note, if you want to hammer out the approaches of establishing facts about this case...

Once elements of this case could be traced to their original sources, like finding that pole.. facts could be ascertained.

To be true to the cause, I hope everyone is supporting all efforts now to find facts out about this case.

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