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« Reply #1260 on: Sep 17th, 2009, 08:31am »

on Sep 17th, 2009, 08:20am, tomi01uk wrote:
Off topic here, but yesterday I visited a woman I've known in London for almost 10 years. She's in her 80's now and dying of cancer. They have her on morphine, this is so sad for me. She's been one of the kindest women in the world to me over the years. She is so strong, so positive, still so worried about others and even the small birds feeding outside her windows.. less concern about herself than still being part of the world.

She's been in documentaries on tv, she was on the board of the most prestigious Society for Psychical Research. She is one of the very few remaining people alive who knew the woman Duncan very well, who was most famous back in the late Victorian time period when seances produced ectoplasm. A brilliant woman who has contributed articles and helped further study.

I guess I'm mentioning this because on another forum in a thread related to Carrion or the drones someone mentioned researching Teressa Duncan. My friend knew her mother, friends of Colin Doyle as well. If you speak to her, she is as grounded as they come, but she has no doubt that for the initiated there is a completely different reality and maybe that is what has kept her so strong over these years battleing this disease that seems like it is finally going to win.. long sad sigh... cry


Wow...how far off topic can you get. That is the most blatant act of deflection I have ever witnessed. I feel bad for the old lady, Tomi, but that post has no bearing here other than to serve as deflection from Radi's points about the LAP. rolleyes
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« Reply #1261 on: Sep 17th, 2009, 08:42am »

on Sep 12th, 2009, 10:55am, TheShadow wrote:
Tomi, You give far too much credit to the sophistication of this hoax. If you think about it, it was so obviously orchestrated it makes it amateurish! All anon witnesses, the drone becoming more and more sophisticated with each sighting, Isaac's nonsense release and its timing. This was done to make fools of anyone who believed it, of that there is no doubt in my mind! Talking about the sophistication is laughable.....you give these lowlifes way too much credit and in the process make laughing stocks of those that know the truth is out there and require hard evidence as proof!



on Sep 12th, 2009, 11:12am, tomi01uk wrote:
Well, yes, if you equate this to a ufo case, but it is in a league of its own now. Outside the mainstream. IMO
No sophistication? I suppose that depends how we want to define things. At the very least they were not sloppy or we would have gotten further along in solving this.. or knowing more. JMO And still to this day we are interested, scoffing, heaving bitter words, looking for clues.. and those who talked to the witnesses? What of their confidences taken in a way that beguiled them to the point the witnesses were assured their confidenicality was protected..
There is a lot of sophistication here in my opinion.


Sophistication is not evidence for “Drone” reality… it is only evidence of someone putting in hard work. To equate sophistication to reality would be an assumption based on zero evidence.

on Sep 12th, 2009, 5:12pm, tomi01uk wrote:
I've always had a thing for Lev.. smiley


One of the issues for the DRT… is to have a “Drone” hoaxer in their mist, and admire him. If one were to scrutinize the timing for the release of materials (like photos… including Lev’s Drone hoax)… then Lev draws a lot of suspicion in the whole affair. The DRT has never publicly vetted this issue of Lev’s motivations… but publicly praised Lev as a DRT member. You know what they say about birds of a feather.

on Sep 15th, 2009, 04:08am, tomi01uk wrote:
Well I think it makes sense that there could be a code hidden in the LAP if this is 100% hoax, why go to all the effort in this saga without hiding some message in it.
http://www.disclose.tv/viewvideo/29827/Mystery_code_cracked_after_500_years_/


If?

on Sep 15th, 2009, 06:52am, tomi01uk wrote:

Well..... if the LAP is actually a precise copy of a design of symbols taken from the inside of a space craft..
The aliens might have left a message in there too rolleyes wink



If?

Tomi, you appear to present “what ifs” to punch holes in other’s research (which has been based on objective evidence and solid proofs).

“What ifs” are fine in speculation, but in themselves, offer zero evidence. You must answer the “what ifs” if you are going to use them as some form of evidence for “Drone” reality. Otherwise the “what ifs” are only wishful or fanciful thinking.

on Sep 15th, 2009, 07:14am, Marvin wrote:
Yea... it is like living in the belief that one can be… slightly pregnant or… a little dead (just a little).

But to be fair to Tomi (and Tomi, correct me if I am wrong), I think she believes it maybe “misinformation” and therefore some of the stuff may have some truth to it.

In my opinion, why would anyone have to give up any secret information unless it has already leaked out… meaning; “they” would leak it in a way to discredit what has leaked. But… since this is the first we have heard about the "Drones," the LAP and this whole affair... where is the evidence to even suggest this may be the case? One would think (in order to discredit the information) the whole affair would have been executed in a way to make it obviously look like it was faked (creating an instant discredit). Someone did a lot of work to make it all as "real" as possible (the forum chats, calls to LMH and emails with rehearsed stories, “multiple” witnesses and photos)... a sign of just “pulling the wool over one’s eyes” or a hoax (not misinformation).

This has been asked before Tomi… are you not "coming clean" with what you know?



on Sep 15th, 2009, 08:52am, tomi01uk wrote:

Obviously I must be or I wouldn't be speculating that there could be a message in the LAP by humans would I?

I wouldn't term my theory on this "disinformation".
If it has any roots in reality at all, I would think it would be more of an open message sent via the pressure of a public medium like the internet..? But I guess "disinformation" is another way of working that theory as well.



So you do not think it is disinformation.

on Sep 16th, 2009, 2:50pm, tomi01uk wrote:

Now I'm in a group of anti drone fascists who want me to recant the possibility that there could be some MIC connection..

OK there I said it ! Now laugh.. grin Cuss I'm laughing.. sure I am.. not being able to help dig anymore because I decided to hang out with hooligans.. wink And that's the truth and that's all you gonna get from me cool



on Sep 15th, 2009, 10:14am, tomi01uk wrote:

I think if any of this is has any basis in fact, then it comes from deep within the lairs of the MIC. Where there must be pressures or (surprise!) warring tribes.

Enough money to throw something like this out, to show something to some group for some reason..

Just pure speculation here.
rolleyes



So you think it is disinformation from the MIC?

Or are you saying this is disclosure by the MIC? MIC giving up its most valuable secrets… for all to see, meaning foreign powers… IMHO, that’s just silly.


on Sep 15th, 2009, 10:14am, tomi01uk wrote:

This theory is based solely on my imagination. It has nothing to do with anything established in this case but conjecture, mostly on my part.
smiley


There is nothing wrong with a theory Tomi… but before one pushes that theory out as an argument against known facts and evidence, one needs to do the research.

on Sep 16th, 2009, 07:49am, tomi01uk wrote:

It could all be a hoax. It could be 100% hoax. I don't know. Some say if it is a hoax then forget solving the who and why. That is IMO stopping short of getting to the bottom of this, and I hope that doesn't happen.



IMO, you must resolve the hoax question… and you have the evidence in hand to do it.

I am all for uncovering the “who and why.” But to masquerade the Drones as not being a hoax, is intellectual dishonesty.


on Sep 16th, 2009, 2:34pm, tomi01uk wrote:

However,. you are boxing me into a corner I will not go into.




I still do not understand why calling it a hoax is a corner you will not go into.


on Sep 16th, 2009, 3:18pm, tomi01uk wrote:

The reason why I default to the DRT at this time about the drones is because I can not satisfy myself that there isn't some vested interest, meaning or purpose behind this thing. Once all is known, I'm perfectly happy either way, I just want to know the purpose and what else was behind this. Doesn't this interest you? What is the "hidden agenda" you can conjur out of that?



Come on Tomi… this is a big Daaaaaaaa! Of course this has a purpose behind it, but it seems you will not accept it.


on Sep 17th, 2009, 06:17am, tomi01uk wrote:

Regardless, all of my points in my previous post can be neatly brushed away, by the blanket means of calling it a hoax. Pretty convienent fall back plan when you can't even figure out how the thing was done smiley

Now... I'm not arguing that it is or isn't a hoax. I'm arguing that dismissing this as a hoax for some will neatly end all their questions about it.

Others may still want to know the facts.




Calling it a hoax does not brush anything away… except to admit the BB Drones were not a real UFO event.

There are a number of magic acts that people can not figure out… does that make them worthy of being real (even 50% real)? As they say in the UK… rubbish.

Here is the deal Tomi… you are arguing that very point (just re-read what you are saying)… and it being a hoax will not lose everyone’s interest. We are all here. wink

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« Reply #1262 on: Sep 17th, 2009, 08:53am »

on Sep 17th, 2009, 08:31am, Jeddyhi wrote:
Wow...how far off topic can you get. That is the most blatant act of deflection I have ever witnessed. I feel bad for the old lady, Tomi, but that post has no bearing here other than to serve as deflection from Radi's points about the LAP. rolleyes


No it doesn't. I would never use a person like that. It had everything to do with making a statement about her and how I'm feeling right now about things.
Maybe you dont' understand so I won't hold your comment against you, but she showed me through example over the years, that not everything should be dismissed off hand and the value of an open mind as well as hard study. Very few people have ever reached the level she did in that catagory.
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« Reply #1263 on: Sep 17th, 2009, 08:58am »

on Sep 17th, 2009, 08:27am, Radi wrote:
Thats sad but why post that other than trying to focus on something else THAT IS THE SAD PART THAT YOU USE THIS TO REDIRECT..THIS IS EXCATLY THE TYPE OF STUFF THAT REDIRECTS ISSUES AT HAND THAT YOU AVOID AND MAKES YOU LOOK LIKE YOU ARE PART OF IT.....JUST HORRIBLE....


Some people may know about Helen Duncan and still have questions. One person did about her daughter in the thread in another forum. I bring my lady friend up to honor her contribution. I'm sorry if you think I would use this to deflect. Not while I've got tears in my eyes.
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« Reply #1264 on: Sep 17th, 2009, 08:59am »

on Sep 17th, 2009, 08:53am, tomi01uk wrote:
No it doesn't. I would never use a person like that. It had everything to do with making a statement about her and how I'm feeling right now about things.
Maybe you dont' understand so I won't hold your comment against you, but she showed me through example over the years, that not everything should be dismissed off hand and the value of an open mind as well as hard study. Very few people have ever reached the level she did in that catagory.

Still a deflection is a deflection trying to bring the attention on yourself and sympathy......so how about making that LAP....Are you done with it yet....
"Hard Study" Seems you have not done that otherwise you would have the answers to the LAP already....Which others have..."Open Mind" does not mean "Being Blind"
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« Reply #1265 on: Sep 17th, 2009, 09:05am »

on Sep 17th, 2009, 08:59am, Radi wrote:
Still a deflection is a deflection trying to bring the attention on yourself and sympathy......so how about making that LAP....Are you done with it yet....Don't forget Marvins post and other questions you have not answered.....


It's not a deflection. What more can one say? You may be focusing on the drones, I was thinking about my lady friend, feeling very sad about the situation she is bearing under and wanted to say something about her contribution into this field. Not the least, that some who may see this are possibly researching Helen Duncan and as I said, this is one of the few remaining people who lived through that era and experienced first hand what seems unbelievable to us now. And this woman is as credible as they come.
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« Reply #1266 on: Sep 17th, 2009, 09:09am »

on Sep 17th, 2009, 09:05am, tomi01uk wrote:
It's not a deflection. What more can one say? You may be focusing on the drones, I was thinking about my lady friend, feeling very sad about the situation she is bearing under and wanted to say something about her contribution into this field. Not the least, that some who may see this are possibly researching Helen Duncan and as I said, this is one of the few remaining people who lived through that era and experienced first hand what seems unbelievable to us now. And this woman is as credible as they come.


SO you are saying that you were posting about the LAP and thinking about totally something else......No wonder you can't find the answers is because you can't focus on the questions....
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« Reply #1267 on: Sep 17th, 2009, 09:15am »

Anyway, I'm all tapped out guys. I've said what I think, I don't have any more answers than any of you. I love to argue the toss esp about the drones, but what more can we do but agree to disagree about figuring this out at a deeper level?

It's a hoax. If that makes everyone happy. I'm happy.
I just want to know why and who... no more arguing for a while.
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« Reply #1268 on: Sep 17th, 2009, 09:22am »

on Sep 17th, 2009, 09:15am, tomi01uk wrote:
Anyway, I'm all tapped out guys. I've said what I think, I don't have any more answers than any of you. I love to argue the toss esp about the drones, but what more can we do but agree to disagree about figuring this out at a deeper level?

It's a hoax. If that makes everyone happy. I'm happy.
I just want to know why and who... no more arguing for a while.

Take all the time you need..Might give you a chance to create a LAP of your own and find the answers you seek there.... laugh smiley
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« Reply #1269 on: Sep 17th, 2009, 09:25am »

on Sep 17th, 2009, 08:59am, Radi wrote:
Still a deflection is a deflection trying to bring the attention on yourself and sympathy......so how about making that LAP....Are you done with it yet....
"Hard Study" Seems you have not done that otherwise you would have the answers to the LAP already....Which others have..."Open Mind" does not mean "Being Blind"


Resist.. resist ... ok, one last argument. Why does copying something in Illustrator confirm something was originally created in Illustrator to you?
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« Reply #1270 on: Sep 17th, 2009, 09:32am »

on Sep 17th, 2009, 09:15am, tomi01uk wrote:
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I just want to know why and who... no more arguing for a while.


Then talk to LMH and get the IPs and phone numbers of the "witnesses". Your answers are there!
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« Reply #1271 on: Sep 17th, 2009, 10:08am »

on Sep 17th, 2009, 09:25am, tomi01uk wrote:
Resist.. resist ... ok, one last argument. Why does copying something in Illustrator confirm something was originally created in Illustrator to you?


I believe Zenarchist from ATS did research into the Illustrator link and concluded that the LAP was indeed created in Illustrator. His work was copied to OMF. Here is a link.

http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=cali1&action=display&thread=3544&page=1#170443

If the link doesn't bring up the exact post, it is the last post at the bottom, submitted by user Elmer Dinkley
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on Sep 17th, 2009, 09:32am, TheShadow wrote:
Then talk to LMH and get the IPs and phone numbers of the "witnesses". Your answers are there!


Surely she cooperated with the detectives and already released such info, which obviously did not yield any positive results ( positive to a drone reality, that is! )
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on Sep 17th, 2009, 10:09am, Jeddyhi wrote:
Surely she cooperated with the detectives and already released such info, which obviously did not yield any positive results ( positive to a drone reality, that is! )


My guess is she released nothing to nobody!
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« Reply #1274 on: Sep 17th, 2009, 10:48am »

Which would kind of make her an accomplice to a hoax. I suspect the other hi res photos in her possession were so blatantly fraudulant that she decided it best to not release them so the hoax could grow.
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