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« Reply #1350 on: Sep 20th, 2009, 5:34pm »

on Sep 20th, 2009, 5:22pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Well I see your point there, back then, but I hardly see with the internet how that figures today?


So let me get this straight! You agree that LMH and the DRT should hold back relevant info that could expose the hoaxers to even the most trusted investigators (that would respect the anonimaty of all innocent witnesses) but you dont understand what double explained??
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« Reply #1351 on: Sep 20th, 2009, 5:37pm »

Just in case this was missed on the previous page

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on Sep 20th, 2009, 5:22pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Well I see your point there, back then, but I hardly see with the internet how that figures today?


Oh really?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/27_01_06_psyops.pdf

Hint....page 10
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« Reply #1352 on: Sep 20th, 2009, 6:29pm »

Double Knit you amaze me. You are so deeply steeped into this ufo business that it burns my brain just taking part of it in.

You think however, I'm something I'm not.. so how well can anyone judge so long ago and also so remotely what is sensibly real?

If I was anything but what I say I am I would not have had to change a hard drive in this thing over the weekend. This is the tear down phase of it all:

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« Reply #1353 on: Sep 20th, 2009, 6:50pm »

on Sep 20th, 2009, 6:29pm, tomi01uk wrote:
You think however, I'm something I'm not..


By this do you mean smart??


More deflection from the master of distraction!
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« Reply #1354 on: Sep 20th, 2009, 7:02pm »

on Sep 20th, 2009, 6:50pm, TheShadow wrote:
By this do you mean smart??


More deflection from the master of distraction!


Ha! Just showing you some reality cool
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« Reply #1355 on: Sep 20th, 2009, 7:10pm »

on Sep 20th, 2009, 7:02pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Ha! Just showing you some reality cool


Isnt that what your friends at the DRT and Earthfiles have been claiming for over 2 years?

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« Reply #1356 on: Sep 20th, 2009, 7:10pm »

on Sep 20th, 2009, 1:17pm, tomi01uk wrote:
To quote: "A foreign intelligence agency approaches a prominent UFO researcher and promises to finance their research in exchange for any information found, knowing that some of the data provided may actually relate to new exotic American military aircraft. Now let's say that American Counter-Intelligence is not very happy and would really like to put this prominent UFO researcher in the same jail cell as Gary McKinnon for compromising national security."

This premise doesn't make sense to me. Why would any foreign service approach a UFO researcher for insight into exotic American Aircraft huh

Seems like the foreign intelligence service would have much better luck playing any role or card but that to get to the truth of matters. Especially with all their loose cash and clandestine accounts...

Now - unless Carrion is aware of UFO researchers who don't budget carefully.. Follow the money Carrion..
But it's not flush except at Mufon grin


Carrion basically was pointing out that if you increase the number of observers recording raw information such as photos, videos, observation metrics, etc. and they are documented and reported, this information could be valuable to opposing governments and their respective military-industrial complexes who would then analyze the data with their own experts. And for sure they would know which of those observations were THEIR secret projects making the analysis all that more meaningful to them.

As an example, take the well-documented Project Blue Book. As for raw data from observations reported via a variety of sources, there were a documented 12,618 UFO sightings and 701 of those sightings remained unidentified or unexplained.

Now the Cold War ‘opposition' then - the non-American governments, primarily the Russians and Chinese, would already know what they have up in the air so their own analysis would have more meaning to them individually. Likewise, we know which of those 701 reports were in fact our technology, but we would obviously keep that a secret for national defense purposes. And of course some of those so-called "identified" sightings we probably knew were our secret projects so we covered them up with a plausible rational explanation.

So how to get that raw information? Enlist as many observers as possible in the opposing country and obtain their reports as raw data to be further analyzed back home. Some of the UFO's reported by civilians could very well be secret aircraft or project vehicles kept secret by their own country and some from that opposing country as well. And what civilian group keeps looking at the skies? UFO observers and astronomers.

This is how it always has been in spydom and espionage, and is possibly the main reason (or one of them) why governments like to keep these things to themselves. Note that Britain and France have disclosed some of their records and we get some from Russia, but don't you agree that those released have been carefully selected so as to keep secrets really secret?

In the case of the CA. Drones, the Russians were probably laughing their asses off at the ALL TOO GOOD PHOTOS of the drones along with the ALL TOO DETAILED LAP diagrams/alien language and the ALL TOO REVEALING ISAAC "CARET" disclosure narrative all wrapped up in an ALL TOO CONVENIENT time frame. Same with the Asian/Far East governmental contingents I'll wager.

Is there other life out there? I believe so in my heart.

Time Traveling humans? Perhaps.

Interdimensional beings? Could be.

Do they visit us? Maybe, I just don't know for sure.

But I am sure that these drones are not any evidence of that at all - not by a long shot.
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« Reply #1357 on: Sep 20th, 2009, 11:39pm »

Hey murnut, hope that doc was FOIA, if not, I don't want to know! Amazing look into the mind-set of the people who protect us. They don't leave much to chance. As usual, you amaze.

Of interest was p. 26, PSYOP tactics being described as being the most aggressive with a green light on 'personal threats', among other tactics. American public, our soldiers were excluded from this treatment.

P.37, not surprising the NPGS named as the future fully chartered school in IO.

P.67 and 68, MILITARY DECEPTION is discussed with candor.

All in all, very fascinating. Above par post, doesn't deserve to be on this thread. "A Global Search For Truth", oh really, a search for truth? That faceless, spineless COWARD who started this fiasco is laughing his ass off now with every post. I doubt if even he could have forseen the total and utter victory achieved by this dishonorable act. And we play right into Its hands with petty squabbling and backbitting under the guise of intellect. The last 40 or so pages is anything but 'a search for truth' and still continues. WHEN will it end.....
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« Reply #1358 on: Sep 21st, 2009, 06:02am »

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jWNrmFPnb0sURI3lrth144wgLjmA

Pentagon steps up spy vs spy operations: officials

(AFP) – Aug 5, 2008

WASHINGTON (AFP) — The Pentagon is stepping up the use of offensive spy versus spy operations to thwart espionage by foreign intelligence agencies or terrorist groups, senior defense officials said Tuesday.

They said the Defense Intelligence Agency is being given a larger mandate to pursue the "strategic offensive counter-intelligence operations" as part of a reorganization approved late last month.

"These are very tightly controlled, compartmented activities run by a small group of specially selected people within DoD (Department of Defense)," said Toby Sullivan, a senior Pentagon counter-intelligence official.

The objectives for the operations are set at high levels of the government and directed against "individuals known or suspected to be foreign intelligence officers, or connected to foreign intelligence or terrorist activities," he said.

Conducted clandestinely, the operations are not intended to catch spies but to turn their operations to US ends, according to the officials, who briefed reporters at the Pentagon.

"There have been some spies caught because of someone else making a mistake and us picking up on it," Sullivan said. "But by and large these are not run to identify spies.

"These are run to thwart what the opposition is trying to do to us, and to learn more about what they are trying to get from us," he said.

The DIA can conduct the operations inside the United States as well as overseas provided "it is against a foreign intelligence officer, not a US citizen," Sullivan said.

It also can operate in cyberspace.


"Quite frankly, from (the perspective of) an offensive capability, it provides us another venue to perhaps engage the enemy," he said.

"You have people using the Internet to meet and talk, and speak to each other," he said. "So you have that opportunity for folks to meet as much as you have opportunities for folks to meet in a restaurant."

The DIA was given authority to conduct the operations for the first time two years ago on a trial basis.

Sullivan said the agency's capacity to run them have been built up over that time. "They performed admirably," he said, refusing to provide further details.

The agency now has formally been given authority for them under a reorganization that has combined counter-intelligence and human intelligence in a single center in the DIA.

The DIA joins three other Pentagon agencies that are authorized to run them -- US Army counter-intelligence, the Naval Criminal Investigative Services and the Air Force Office of Special Investigations.

"We are an arrow in somebody's quiver," Sullivan said.

"They want us to go do something; we identify the possible threat; we work with those who are feeling the focus of the threat and they give us some ideas about objectives, at least at the operational level," he said.
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« Reply #1359 on: Sep 21st, 2009, 06:36am »

on Sep 20th, 2009, 6:29pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Double Knit you amaze me. You are so deeply steeped into this ufo business that it burns my brain just taking part of it in.

You think however, I'm something I'm not.. so how well can anyone judge so long ago and also so remotely what is sensibly real?

If I was anything but what I say I am I would not have had to change a hard drive in this thing over the weekend. This is the tear down phase of it all:

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Your constant attempts to convince others that you are not here working under an agenda that is pro drone is ridiculous. Whatever your agenda may be in these forums, you still have a life away from the keyboard. Whether you sit there and knit or work on computers makes no difference to how you act when you are here. I don't trust you and really don't believe a word you type. For someone to be so enthralled over a stupid hoax is certainly indicitive of being either in on the hoax or being embarrassingly gullible. Either way does Ufology no service.
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« Reply #1360 on: Sep 21st, 2009, 08:07am »

And you Jeddyhi do "Ufology" no service being so adamant you are right all the time, criticising people you don't know, and making loose statements about what others do for a living. If this proves hopefully I do what I say I do for a living I'm happy. Besides which, I'm pretty proud of pulling this hd out and replacing it.
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« Reply #1361 on: Sep 21st, 2009, 08:20am »

on Sep 21st, 2009, 08:07am, tomi01uk wrote:
And you Jeddiyh do "UFOology" no service being so adamant you are right all the time, criticising people you don't know, and making loose statements about what others do for a living. If this proves hopefully I do what I say I do for a living I'm happy. Besides which, I'm pretty proud of pulling this hd out and replacing it.


Did you ground yourself with an antistatic armband and remember to remove the battery?

Did you fully discharge the capacitors on the MB or do you believe that to be overkill?

I am glad you can do this for yourself Tomi and hubby will be so very pleased. grin grin
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« Reply #1362 on: Sep 21st, 2009, 08:23am »

on Sep 21st, 2009, 08:07am, tomi01uk wrote:
And you Jeddiyh do "UFOology" no service being so adamant you are right all the time, criticising people you don't know, and making loose statements about what others do for a living. If this proves hopefully I do what I say I do for a living I'm happy. Besides which, I'm pretty proud of pulling this hd out and replacing it.


If you have not replaced a laptop hard drive before then yes it a fun accomplishment....Try soldering stuff on the motherboard..Try taken a dead hard drive apart and rescuing the data on the platters....That is something to be proud of.. wink smiley
Well you have been posting long enough Tomi that you are known....By the way you have posted in the beginning till now...Why were you so hell-bent on dissing all the Professional opinions and Professionals posting their evidence saying and showing that this is a hoax....Why do you support Lev a known Liar and Hoaxter...Why do you change subjects when faced with though questions that remain unanswered and still remain that way....
Knowing computers and as you say familiar with illustrator why did you believe that the drones were real...That is just dishonest to the UFO field and to the graphics field...Why did it take you this long to post to a graphics fourm and ask questions....Why do you ask for others research yet you have not shown anything that you have done....You even mentioned that you have not done any....Why is that?
Why did you demand others to show theirs but give nothing in return but riducule and disrespect.........
Why Tomi....These are only some of the reasons....
Need I say more... wink
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« Reply #1363 on: Sep 21st, 2009, 08:32am »

on Sep 21st, 2009, 08:23am, Radi wrote:
If you have not replaced a laptop hard drive before then yes it a fun accomplishment....Try soldering stuff on the motherboard..Try taken a dead hard drive apart and rescuing the data on the platters....That is something to be proud of.. wink smiley
Well you have been posting long enough Tomi that you are known....By the way you have posted in the beginning till now...Why were you so hell-bent on dissing all the Professional opinions and Professionals posting their evidence saying and showing that this is a hoax....Why do you support Lev a known Liar and Hoaxter...Why do you change subjects when faced with though questions that remain unanswered and still remain that way....
Knowing computers and as you say familiar with illustrator why did you believe that the drones were real...That is just dishonest to the UFO field and to the graphics field...Why did it take you this long to post to a graphics fourm and ask questions....Why do you ask for others research yet you have not shown anything that you have done....You even mentioned that you have not done any....Why is that?
Why did you demand others to show theirs but give nothing in return but riducule and disrespect.........
Why Tomi....These are only some of the reasons....
Need I say more... wink



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« Reply #1364 on: Sep 21st, 2009, 09:06am »

Well.. well... I've replaced many hard drives in laptops. Sony Vaio is a killer, so are the older MacBook's, lets not even mention the iBooks.. tongue.
I've done enough data recovery from bad hd's that I know bluster when I hear it.. please don't tell me you took platters out .. lol. Unless you work in a clean lab. wink This was a tough job because it was largest Aluminum iMac Apple makes.. enough about IT.. This is what I do as I've said.. hopefully the pic it proves it. rolleyes If not I can post the invoice with client details blacked out cool

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