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« Reply #1440 on: Sep 22nd, 2009, 07:34am »

on Sep 22nd, 2009, 07:00am, Marvin wrote:
May I have hash browns with that? grin



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« Reply #1441 on: Sep 22nd, 2009, 07:48am »

on Sep 22nd, 2009, 07:34am, Klatunictobarata wrote:
Make mine Bangers & Beans, Guv!



It's been a while since I have had good ole Bangers and Mash. Makes me hungry just thinking about it. smiley

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« Reply #1442 on: Sep 22nd, 2009, 07:59am »

Well, I just had to do it...went over to the "Other Place" to see perchance if anything new was found, and, under the first "most recent post(s)" I read this statement from, well, you all can take a guess (but it's NOT TOMI!!):

"We know there is something not right in the photos of Raj, perhaps the craft is real and the setting alone is what was hoaxed."



Lets see: closet-check, silk cord-check, Grey Goose-check, stool-check, sign on doorknob-check...


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« Reply #1443 on: Sep 22nd, 2009, 08:24am »

on Sep 22nd, 2009, 06:31am, tomi01uk wrote:
I would Imagine so.. but how would I know the answer to either question without further information? Based on evidence so far and conjecture.. probably the Ohare sighting was real and the drone saga is contrived.


In my opinion, there is sufficient information to make a decision. I will break it down for you.

Drone Case:
  • Anonymous photo witnesses
  • False locations
  • questionable photos
  • Deceptive tactics
Whether this is a disinfo project, a human study project, or just a hoax for kicks and giggles, the end result is the same....not real by any stretch of the imagination.

O'Hare Case:
  • Credible multiple witnesses
  • Location in restricted airspace
  • Intensive media coverage
  • FOIA records that revealed the sighting did happen*


*Both United Airlines and the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) first denied that they had any information on the O'Hare UFO sighting until the Chicago Tribune, who was investigating the report, filed a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request. The FAA then ordered an internal review of air-traffic communications tapes to comply with the Tribune FOIA request which subsequently uncovered a call by the United supervisor to an FAA manager in the airport tower concerning the UFO sighting.


Now which case is real and which is fake? How much more information is required to decide? And the biggest difference between the two cases is that the drones, if investigated to the bitter end, will only reveal a hoax and it's possible reasons for being deployed.

O'Hare, if it had been allowed to continue without FAA and United Airlines refusing to investigate, would have lead to the ultimate question of what was hovering over gate C-17. Who's technology? Why was it there? National media asking these questions and seeking answers could have lead to a revival in the national interest in UFO's. Be it Alien visitors or top secret suppressed technology, these questions and subsequent investigations surely would have lead to something more tangible than hoax locations.

It is my opinion that the drones were crafted to remove attention and interest away from the O'Hare sighting. A crafted diversion to occupy and distract the Ufology community. And such a crafted diversion would certainly come with agents of disinfo backing the drones as the holy grail of modern sightings. Then the PTB can relax in knowing that the truth of the drones, if uncovered, leads to nothing but a fake UFO case.

At the same time the truth of the O'Hare sighting is protected and squashed. Where the drones could lead only to a hoax uncovered, the O'Hare case could have lead to congressional hearings, public demand to reopen Blue Book or a modern equivalent, and a big surge in UFO interest.

Maybe I am delusional.....maybe not!

Edit to add:

The FAA stance concludes that the sighting was caused by weather phenomenon and that the agency would not be investigating the incident. UFO investigators have pointed out that this stance seems to be in direct contradiction to the FAA's mandate to investigate possible security breaches at American airports such as in this case; an object witnessed by numerous airport employees and officially reported by at least one of them, hovering in plain sight, in restricted airspace, over one of the busiest airports in the world.[4][5] Many witnesses interviewed by the Tribune were apparently "upset" that federal officials declined to further investigate the matter.[6]

Where is the O'Hare Research Team when you need them? grin






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« Reply #1444 on: Sep 22nd, 2009, 08:28am »

on Sep 22nd, 2009, 07:59am, Klatunictobarata wrote:
Lets see: closet-check, silk cord-check, Grey Goose-check, stool-check, sign on doorknob-check...





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« Reply #1445 on: Sep 22nd, 2009, 08:37am »

on Sep 20th, 2009, 6:29pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Double Knit you amaze me. You are so deeply steeped into this ufo business that it burns my brain just taking part of it in.


Aside from being a rather transparent bit of flatulence, the above quote is funny for another reason: I have never been a member of the UFO Updates list. I used to browse the archives, even after I had to pay to do so. I never was a participant, and never submitted an email address. Never thought it was appropriate, really. The list was for serious researchers, and amateurs like myself usually looked pretty silly when they did post, which was not often. Updates has never been much of a place to find breaking news, either, unless it was news of some family or professional milestone a participant wanted to share. It's the kind of place where Dick Hall might give Bruce Maccabee (a physicist) a hard time for what Hall perceived as new age leanings, or where a running dispute about the Cutler-Twining memo might smolder for months, flaring up now and then into a tense (but polite!) exchange. Not a likely place for someone with a passing interest in UFOs to check for interesting stories. It never has been well known outside the UFO research community. The list functioned as a part of a very casual kind of peer-review more than a place to spread the word about a sighting or other recent event, though the latter was not unheard of. It was a good place to find analysis and comments that didn't make it into the media. It was interesting for that reason, but like DrDill, I eventually found it getting tedious and left, probably around the time he did. With the sagging economy, it was kind of hard to justify the expense.

Colin Bennett caused quite a stir several years ago, and got banned or left on his own shortly before the lynch mob got fully organized. That was the last time it was really fun to read. I kind of wish I still had access to the archives, because it would really be interesting to see just when the drones were first mentioned there. Now that I think about it, I don't recall much being said at the time. I was still following the list regularly, and all I recall being mentioned about the drones was a couple of weeks after they "dropped" it seems, and that may have even been after the Big Basin Abomination appeared. I'm tempted to go over there and subscribe for a month, and do some real research into this.

See, Tomi, the problem is, your story adds up about as well as those told by spf33, or your buddy Numbers.
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« Reply #1446 on: Sep 22nd, 2009, 08:40am »

on Sep 22nd, 2009, 08:24am, Jeddyhi wrote:
In my opinion, there is sufficient information to make a decision. I will break it down for you.

Drone Case:
  • Anonymous photo witnesses
  • False locations
  • questionable photos
  • Deceptive tactics
Whether this is a disinfo project, a human study project, or just a hoax for kicks and giggles, the end result is the same....not real by any stretch of the imagination.

O'Hare Case:
  • Credible multiple witnesses
  • Location in restricted airspace
  • Intensive media coverage
  • FOIA records that revealed the sighting did happen*


*Both United Airlines and the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) first denied that they had any information on the O'Hare UFO sighting until the Chicago Tribune, who was investigating the report, filed a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request. The FAA then ordered an internal review of air-traffic communications tapes to comply with the Tribune FOIA request which subsequently uncovered a call by the United supervisor to an FAA manager in the airport tower concerning the UFO sighting.


Now which case is real and which is fake? How much more information is required to decide? And the biggest difference between the two cases is that the drones, if investigated to the bitter end, will only reveal a hoax and it's possible reasons for being deployed.

O'Hare, if it had been allowed to continue without FAA and United Airlines refusing to investigate, would have lead to the ultimate question of what was hovering over gate C-17. Who's technology? Why was it there? National media asking these questions and seeking answers could have lead to a revival in the national interest in UFO's. Be it Alien visitors or top secret suppressed technology, these questions and subsequent investigations surely would have lead to something more tangible than hoax locations.

It is my opinion that the drones were crafted to remove attention and interest away from the O'Hare sighting. A crafted diversion to occupy and distract the Ufology community. And such a crafted diversion would certainly come with agents of disinfo backing the drones as the holy grail of modern sightings. Then the PTB can relax in knowing that the truth of the drones, if uncovered, leads to nothing but a fake UFO case.

At the same time the truth of the O'Hare sighting is protected and squashed. Where the drones could lead only to a hoax uncovered, the O'Hare case could have lead to congressional hearings, public demand to reopen Blue Book or a modern equivalent, and a big surge in UFO interest.

Maybe I am delusional.....maybe not!

Edit to add:

The FAA stance concludes that the sighting was caused by weather phenomenon and that the agency would not be investigating the incident. UFO investigators have pointed out that this stance seems to be in direct contradiction to the FAA's mandate to investigate possible security breaches at American airports such as in this case; an object witnessed by numerous airport employees and officially reported by at least one of them, hovering in plain sight, in restricted airspace, over one of the busiest airports in the world.[4][5] Many witnesses interviewed by the Tribune were apparently "upset" that federal officials declined to further investigate the matter.[6]

Where is the O'Hare Research Team when you need them? grin








I think you are reaching just a bit (to say the least...) to suggest that the PTB went to the degree that was incorporated in the drone saga to extract attention from the Ohare sighting.. Just a bit..

Why? First off.. nobody cares! You have numerous examples of ppl sighting ufo's in communities in mass and Larry King having programs about it and nobody still cares.. Not enough to warrent doing the drone saga over that's for sure IMO.

Second, you have Skinwalker Ranch where scientists under the most strict ordinace of procedures have aquired a mass of evidence of the paranormal and still nobody cares....

Why doesn't National Geographic do a documentary on what you say is irrefutable evidence of the Ohare sighting .. ?
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« Reply #1447 on: Sep 22nd, 2009, 08:44am »

Yeah..classic..is right..

How hippocritical to say encouraging equal debate on both sides when your side did everything possible to stifle it from the Pro hoax side with the collective efforts of OMF...anyone who followed from the beginning could see how control was quickly implemented with your same team members and anyone that raised a common sense opinion was quicky squelched...As for that PM ask Sid..Thats what I understood..

You still havent answered on the Reyes matter so
Now how about telling us of your publishing history..besides the Heart one..Im sure there is no problem porting that here.We get writers all the time, and it would be a great public health service with .why the big secret..Dont you want to sell books?
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« Reply #1448 on: Sep 22nd, 2009, 08:45am »

on Sep 22nd, 2009, 08:28am, tomi01uk wrote:
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You missed. This is the true classic quote:

"We know there is something not right in the photos of Raj, perhaps the craft is real and the setting alone is what was hoaxed."

There is the product of a sound mind, uh huh. Lunatics.

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« Reply #1449 on: Sep 22nd, 2009, 08:49am »

on Sep 22nd, 2009, 08:44am, YourWorstNightmare wrote:
Yeah..classic..is right..

How hippocritical to say encouraging equal debate on both sides when your side did everything possible to stifle it from the Pro hoax side with the collective efforts of OMF...anyone who followed from the beginning could see how control was quickly implemented with your same team members and anyone that raised a common sense opinion was quicky squelched...As for that PM ask Sid..Thats what I understood..

You still havent answered on the Reyes matter so
Now how about telling us of your publishing history..besides the Heart one..Im sure there is no problem porting that here..why the big secret..Dont you want to sell books?


What about the "Reyes matter"? You are hunting where there isn't any game.., And in the wrong forest. First of all: I subscribe to anything that might alert me to info about this drone saga. Of course, when I found that CARET group on yahoo I joined. It is as simple as that. I've never had one word of communication with Reyes. Sidd has.. ask him..

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« Reply #1450 on: Sep 22nd, 2009, 08:52am »

on Sep 22nd, 2009, 08:40am, tomi01uk wrote:
I think you are reaching just a bit (to say the least...) to suggest that the PTB went to the degree that was incorporated in the drone saga to extract attention from the Ohare sighting.. Just a bit..


What degree? It is not that sophiscated and ample time was available between 11-06 and 5-07 to craft it.

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Why? First off.. nobody cares! You have numerous examples of ppl sighting ufo's in communities in mass and Larry King having programs about it and nobody still cares.. Not enough to warrent doing the drone saga over that's for sure IMO.


You never stop, do you? This was a recent sighting with multiple witnesses over one of the busiest airports in the world in restricted airspace. That, dear tomi, has never happened before. And it had the main stream media's attention.

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Second, you have Skinwalker Ranch where scientists under the most strict ordinace of proceedures have aquired a mass of evidence of the paranormal and nobody cares....

Why doesn't National Geographic do a documentary on what you say is irrefutable evidence of the Ohare sighting.. ?


Agent tomi, your act is so old and transparent. The O'hare case was allowed to drop off the radar, squashed into oblivion. And you helped.
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« Reply #1451 on: Sep 22nd, 2009, 08:54am »

on Sep 22nd, 2009, 08:44am, YourWorstNightmare wrote:
As for that PM ask Sid..Thats what I understood..



You ask Sidd instead of misinterpreting things and then slinging it over at me.

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Now how about telling us of your publishing history..Dont you want to sell books?


I have no intention of writing a book. In my previous business life I wrote a lot of promotional literature as well as technical information. No biggie.
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« Reply #1452 on: Sep 22nd, 2009, 08:55am »

The book(s) Tomi, what about the book (s)?
You mean at that Shellac company from Netherlands?, You designed Health info on EEGs or EKGs for them too? Sounds like a longer than previous business venture you left..that sounds like continued promotional literature..is that Marketing?
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« Reply #1453 on: Sep 22nd, 2009, 08:55am »

Dang, where did I put those hip waders? It's really getting deep in here. Tomi, you are only digging yourself in deeper. You are not nearly as clever as you think you are.
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« Reply #1454 on: Sep 22nd, 2009, 08:56am »

on Sep 22nd, 2009, 08:55am, YourWorstNightmare wrote:
The book(s) Tomi, what about the book (s)?


See above.. What book huh
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