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« Reply #585 on: Jun 29th, 2009, 1:10pm »

Just found that he works in some instances with Alex Gray and he has participated in the Burning Man event.

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« Reply #586 on: Jun 29th, 2009, 4:50pm »

on Jun 29th, 2009, 12:35pm, SiddReader wrote:
Does anybody remember, where he explained, how he found the LAP? I remember it very vividly, but can't find it back anymore.


Hey Sidd,

he briefly mentions it in his tutorial video "Andrew Jones - Boss Monster".

"The story behind this shape, I did not design this shape, I take no responsibility for this shape. Aliens apparently designed this shape, because it was posted on my favorite Coast to Coast AM website as re-engineered alien technology, and the author said it was actually came from extraterrestrials, and he claimed no credit, so what that means to me is - a really cool shape, and no copyright, yeah, SCORE!"

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I posted this on ATS about a year ago, is this what you were thinking of?
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« Reply #587 on: Jun 29th, 2009, 5:02pm »

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Do I have to hand you all the clues?? The DRT .. that means.. Drone Research Team.. consists of 5 early people and two members since. One is a witness, btw.


Hey Tomi, can you refresh my memory, which DRT member was a witness?

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« Reply #588 on: Jun 29th, 2009, 5:27pm »

Yes, thanks, Blackwater, this was exactly the source I had forgotten.

Looking again at this timeframe, it really is a very short span of time.

What do you think about creating a brush from the LAP for a show next evening? I also would like to know Radi's opinion and anybody else's, who works with such things.

Is it technically possible, that he saw the LAP on the internet and created these brushes - nearly - immediately?
Or is it more likely, that he got them from somewhere else?

I am still an outsider to that kind of stuff and I am not able, to get an idea, how long such things need.
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« Reply #589 on: Jun 29th, 2009, 5:45pm »

on Jun 29th, 2009, 5:27pm, SiddReader wrote:
Yes, thanks, Blackwater, this was exactly the source I had forgotten.

Looking again at this timeframe, it really is a very short span of time.

What do you think about creating a brush from the LAP for a show next evening? I also would like to know Radi's opinion and anybody else's, who works with such things.

Is it technically possible, that he saw the LAP on the internet and created these brushes - nearly - immediately?
Or is it more likely, that he got them from somewhere else?

I am still an outsider to that kind of stuff and I am not able, to get an idea, how long such things need.

Hi Sidd, I'm an intermediate user of Corel Draw, mostly small technical diagrams, and it could take me the better part of a day (or 2!) to recreate that. The fonts would be the biggest challange for me. embarassed
I don't know how exact this artists version matches the LAP and that's where a lot of time could be saved. I wonder what program he could have used to create the brush for Painter (perhaps Painter itself but I don't know if that's it's forte with precision drawings?)
Someone with this guys talent could do it quick I'm sure if he's not trying to match everything exactly. I can't envision this guy measuring down to the last pixel or line width. That would be a good thing to check because if his version is dead on it would perk my interest more. grin Maybe someone already did that.

Edit to add: Entirely possible the image could have been imported or traced from the LAP material. Then I would expect it to match closely (including the imperfections shocked ). This could be done very quickly and end any doubt about feasible time to replicate.
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« Reply #590 on: Jun 29th, 2009, 6:16pm »

on Jun 29th, 2009, 5:27pm, SiddReader wrote:
What do you think about creating a brush from the LAP for a show next evening?


I think it's totally do-able, in fact if he had an internet connection at the show he could have done it right there on the spot.

Here's how he did it-

1. Open an image (for example pacl-lang-analysis-p121-fullsize.jpg)

2. Draw a selection box around the "node", then click Image->Crop.

3. Click Edit-> Define Brush Preset

Done! The node shape that's in the screenshot in my post above is now added to the brush library and you can start painting or stamping it all over the place.

I use Photoshop and Andrew uses Painter X, so the menu names such as "Edit-> Define Brush Preset" might be slightly different, but the process and number of mouse clicks is basically the same.


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He's not "re-creating" the shapes, drawing out all the lines and circles himself, he's merely copying and pasting them straight from Isaac's .jpg's. I agree with you that if he was drawing them out himself it would take longer, I know from experience because I did this with Illustrator awhile ago. Trying to match everything exactly lined up to the original drawings is very tedious.

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« Reply #591 on: Jun 29th, 2009, 6:35pm »

Thanks blackwater, makes perfect sense to me even with the little I know of the brush creation process.
These artists are fantastic. cool
I'm still of the opinion this whole thing was hoax for ha's ha's and it's grown larger not by the hoaxsters but by those wanting to solve it.
So, unfortunately grin, I have to somewhat agree with what some of what masker was saying about this never dying. rolleyes
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« Reply #592 on: Jun 29th, 2009, 8:13pm »

on Jun 29th, 2009, 5:27pm, SiddReader wrote:
Yes, thanks, Blackwater, this was exactly the source I had forgotten.

Looking again at this timeframe, it really is a very short span of time.

What do you think about creating a brush from the LAP for a show next evening? I also would like to know Radi's opinion and anybody else's, who works with such things.

Is it technically possible, that he saw the LAP on the internet and created these brushes - nearly - immediately?
Or is it more likely, that he got them from somewhere else?

I am still an outsider to that kind of stuff and I am not able, to get an idea, how long such things need.


Yep its just as blackwater said..One can also see the characters in some of the circles....Also there are other methods of creating these fast....Such as painting over the original circles to hide the text then tracing them in illustrator or other apps that specilize in tracing artwork to turn it into vector curves (Takes a matter of minutes depending on the size and complexity of the art being traced..Which for the Lap shapes is not very difficult a task)....There are apps in the sign industry that surpass illustrator in this catagory....
Once traced and saved in the correct format it could easily be opened in painter and saved as an object or used for a brush...
Here are some more brushes that exsist that resemble the LAP shapes....Have not found a date on these thou...
http://www.brushking.eu/119/vector-circles-brush-set.html
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« Reply #593 on: Jun 29th, 2009, 8:58pm »

on Jun 29th, 2009, 8:13pm, Radi wrote:
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Here are some more brushes that exsist that resemble the LAP shapes....Have not found a date on these thou...
http://www.brushking.eu/119/vector-circles-brush-set.html

March 10th 2007Ö.. wink

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« Reply #594 on: Jun 29th, 2009, 9:08pm »

on Jun 29th, 2009, 8:58pm, DrDil wrote:
March 10th 2007Ö.. wink


Guess its the other way around then.. wink
The LAP resembles those brushes...
Thanks Dr.Dil smiley
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« Reply #595 on: Jun 30th, 2009, 03:00am »

Thanks for your answers!

Indeed meanwhile it seems to be more interesting, why this story is so intriguing to so many people, including us.

As Katterfelto I think, it was just for the laughter - and I laughed a lot during the two years. Elijah recently demonstrated us, that a hoaxer does not need any reasonable motif.

Congratulations to Isaac anyway. This story caused so much creativity and fun, that I for my part see it as a profit.

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« Reply #596 on: Jun 30th, 2009, 06:56am »

My thoughts on why:

People like mysteries especially ones that are current and perhaps they can actually contribute to solving. This is regardless of belief in material.

Expose those responsible for various reasons.

Prove youíre right or someone else is wrong.

Itís something to do while expressing all kinds of beliefs and ideas quite freely until true facts come out. Itís a bit difficult (but not unheard of! grin ) to make a fool of oneself before thereís an agreed upon answer. May never be!

Opportunity to improve or learn new skills in things you are interested in that get rekindled along the way. cool

In the end I think itís plain old human nature: Replace drones and Isaac with something else and all the above and more should still apply. Nothing really unique, I think, when you consider the small number of people actively pursuing a real answer. How normal it is Ė is another matter! rolleyes
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« Reply #597 on: Jun 30th, 2009, 08:37am »

on Jun 29th, 2009, 5:02pm, blackwater wrote:
Hey Tomi, can you refresh my memory, which DRT member was a witness?



Yeah, which one was a witness? I know about Yearout but you said one of the original 5, plus two members since, right? So that would mean one of the original dronies is a witness to a drone? That is news to me, Tomi!
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« Reply #598 on: Jun 30th, 2009, 10:24am »

I could never understand the Jim Jones following or the Heavens -Gate debacle and I just canít understand how people can be so gullible. Some people must have the lemming gene. Anyhow the drone hoax was more a study in the facets of these phenomena rather than any connection to something genuine. Like a dead whale floating in the ocean, all the sharks and such get a piece of the action and then as the carcass sinks through the ocean depths settling on the ocean floor a whole new set of scavengers invade the remaining corpse. The drone hoax was like a discovery channel presentation on a dead whale, how everybody feeds off of it.
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« Reply #599 on: Jun 30th, 2009, 12:04pm »

on Jun 30th, 2009, 08:37am, Jeddyhi wrote:
Yeah, which one was a witness? I know about Yearout but you said one of the original 5, plus two members since, right? So that would mean one of the original dronies is a witness to a drone? That is news to me, Tomi!

Wasnít it Shirley P?

After the fact (but allegedly before the originals), you remember, the mental health worker and who claimed that the Sequoia ranger said it was used to look for fires?! laugh (The DRT traced her if memory serves me correctly).

No camera, got lost while her father was having an Ďepisodeí and asked the road crew for directions and was mighty, "Upset" at the CGI accusations levelled at the originals? wink

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