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« Reply #825 on: Aug 4th, 2009, 2:57pm »

on Aug 4th, 2009, 2:48pm, Masker33 wrote:
The Drone message was sent in 2007 and is very, very finished. Tomi, if you think you know what I mean, you are correct. The horse is not only dead but dust. I must admit to watch this thing carry on is fascinating. Why not round up all the usual suspects and stamp the case solved officially. Naturally in the future someone will run across it again and inquire about it, that is to be expected. Can anyone ever have real interest in a UFO case of so much visual strangeness, I doubt it at least for a while. Now for something completely different...............


The script was prepared in 2004 executed 2007..The horse tripped and broke its legs when Linda fell off..almost dragged to Texas and halfway back..by the horse.
The writers choked, the monkeys went broke..and they all went to heaven in a little row boat..

But how much do you want for that doggy in the window?.
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« Reply #826 on: Aug 4th, 2009, 3:05pm »

on Aug 4th, 2009, 2:48pm, Masker33 wrote:
Now for something completely different...............


Hehe,

I had hoped for a real joke. But okay, Monty Pythons is something, we all love.
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« Reply #827 on: Aug 4th, 2009, 3:09pm »

on Aug 4th, 2009, 2:48pm, Masker33 wrote:
The Drone message was sent in 2007 and is very, very finished. Tomi, if you think you know what I mean, you are correct. The horse is not only dead but dust. I must admit to watch this thing carry on is fascinating. Why not round up all the usual suspects and stamp the case solved officially. Naturally in the future someone will run across it again and inquire about it, that is to be expected. Can anyone ever have real interest in a UFO case of so much visual strangeness, I doubt it at least for a while. Now for something completely different...............


Yes, I think I know what you mean but this is a theory, is it not?....
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« Reply #828 on: Aug 4th, 2009, 3:37pm »

on Aug 4th, 2009, 2:57pm, Barabas wrote:
The script was prepared in 2004 executed 2007..The horse tripped and broke its legs when Linda fell off..almost dragged to Texas and halfway back..by the horse.
The writers choked, the monkeys went broke..and they all went to heaven in a little row boat..

But how much do you want for that doggy in the window?.
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LMAO!!! grin
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« Reply #829 on: Aug 4th, 2009, 3:47pm »

Sidd,

The problem with starting a new 'Threat' is that one of the main reasons that this discussion has kept going long after it would have naturally died, is the level of dissention between those who think its an outright hoax, and those of us that know or feel that it is more than just a trick. Having friendly communications on the whys and wherefores of philosophical principles will most probably run its course in a few pages. Unfortunately (or not) the human psyche thrives on heated debate and flaring tempers, its the only thing that keeps our attentions for more than a brief moment. Conversations are greatly improved (seemingly) by the minor insults and debasement of character from those (SYS-Config...LOL) who oppose our individual ideologies, it simply makes for more emotional involvement and a more in depth dialog.
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« Reply #830 on: Aug 4th, 2009, 4:28pm »

on Aug 4th, 2009, 2:49pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Jeddyhi, where in the hell did you get the idea that I have any money invested in this ??


You contacted TKDavis Investigations, correct? You hired them, correct? Did they offer their services for free?



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Hold on, on that photo there was still debate going on, but yes, that photo in particular raised some eyebrows, but no consensus from the experts on any of the photos could agree about the same irregularities.


That is your spin on it. Two light sources, one for the drone and one for the pole has been proven beyond a doubt.


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Are you implying me??


No of course not.



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Depends how you define nutcase. If he is an artist who spent most of his life in Florida then he has cultivated remarkable talent against the most daunting odds.. IMO..


Nutcase has universal definitions......crazy, insane, brick shy of a full load, etc.....or he is one of the original hoaxers from 2007 and is playing you like a two dollar fiddle.



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Well, I say it could be more than just a hoax for the sake of a hoax, and the immense material produced with the most exact details and refinements even anticipating scrutiny of the most stringent kind and meeting those odds.. says to me it might be a guberment job.. but then I'm just looking at the Big Picture grin


It isn't that impressive. It got shot down by every expert that ever reviewed the case. You place the Drones on a pedestal that it doesn't deserve.
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« Reply #831 on: Aug 4th, 2009, 4:37pm »

on Aug 4th, 2009, 3:47pm, ElijahTome wrote:
Sidd,

The problem with starting a new 'Threat' is that one of the main reasons that this discussion has kept going long after it would have naturally died, is the level of dissention between those who think its an outright hoax, and those of us that know or feel that it is more than just a trick. Having friendly communications on the whys and wherefores of philosophical principles will most probably run its course in a few pages. Unfortunately (or not) the human psyche thrives on heated debate and flaring tempers, its the only thing that keeps our attentions for more than a brief moment. Conversations are greatly improved (seemingly) by the minor insults and debasement of character from those (SYS-Config...LOL) who oppose our individual ideologies, it simply makes for more emotional involvement and a more in depth dialog.


Well, I did it anyway.. complete with initial question, slightly off topic as usual.. tongue

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« Reply #832 on: Aug 4th, 2009, 4:48pm »

on Aug 4th, 2009, 4:28pm, Jeddyhi wrote:
You contacted TKDavis Investigations, correct?


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You hired them, correct?



not correct, I personally have put no money into this,
only time devoted to the investigation not the propagation of this matter. That is the extent of my involvement.

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Did they offer their services for free?



no of course not.

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or he is one of the original hoaxers from 2007 and is playing you like a two dollar fiddle.



And wouldn't you like to know? I would. But then again, I remind myself at least.. that who ever put this drone show on was so good at concealing that there is little likely hood that confessions are going to be forthcoming from anyone attached. But I hope we will suss it all out with them somewaysmiley Whoever they are..

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« Reply #833 on: Aug 4th, 2009, 4:54pm »

on Aug 4th, 2009, 3:47pm, ElijahTome wrote:
The problem with starting a new 'Threat' is that one of the main reasons that this discussion has kept going long after it would have naturally died, is the level of dissention between those who think its an outright hoax, and those of us that know or feel that it is more than just a trick.


My thought was more, to leave the drones behind and discuss the phenomenology-aspect as a seperate thing.
Of course, I do belong to those, who KNOW that the Caret-Crap is just stupid nonsense. It is just the effect it caused in some forums, which is of interest for me. And I am also interested in the fact, that it only worked in a few countries: USA, UK and France.

As I said, I would like to discuss the backgrounds with you, especially if we are talking about phenomenology. If you think about discussing the reality behind the drones, I quit. There is no reality behind the hoax. It is just a hoax.

@Jedd: If Tomi really has enough money, to pay some PIs, I am sure, she will be my patron soon. Of course, she could tell us something about the backstage situation back than. But I think, it is okay, if she is loyal in this case. I for my part don't need to know, who is the fool who payed. I am sure, it was not Isaac.
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« Reply #834 on: Aug 4th, 2009, 4:57pm »

Why is it you cannot answer that issue of the financing and it was you that did the transaction to hire with Numbers at your side calling the ground action. Then suddenlyyou are out the picture with the DRt after the Tom Vance leak, and its numbers who is right in their with them, even to scouting the ELO Raj pole in campbell where everyone else in close proximity.

You keep asking the reason for hoax , because there must be a reason , some reason, and you are an ex business woman , national distributorship, a computer consulting service, Transact the PIs and act like you dont understand the profit motive.

This does not sound logical..at odds with what your background. and agressiveness for your questions....collapse or feign total amnesia..at the mention of numbers and the PIs..already stated above.

So whats the deal Tomi..how can you press here like this but not see if your own house at the DRT need cleaning..
What about the witness x and octopus ufo..what happened there..
Are you telling us you have no knowledge of anything about the PIs and you picked them..paid them yourself or as go between. and dont know anything ?
.and they are doing a presentation in Nov?

Thats why a lot of people , more than not mistrust your ..Yes you might be a darn nice lady..even outdring me at a bar..but a naive simpleton..gullible?..no..way..
So why are you holding back responding accurately..and informatively to adress the above .
You just might win a lot more support with some clear and honest answers.

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« Reply #835 on: Aug 4th, 2009, 4:58pm »

Oh Sidd, there are some that do not want the Drones left behind and will do whatever they can to keep them around, if only for the sheer fun of it! Ain't that right Elijah? grin
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« Reply #836 on: Aug 4th, 2009, 5:07pm »

@ Tomi

Why did you contact TKDavis if you didn't hire them? That makes no sense whatsoever. You were part of an international team investigating the drones (UK, USA, France). Why didn't an American team member contact them or visit them in person? Because it is usually the money person that does the hiring, right. And in this case the money person was in the UK. So the UK person (you) did the hiring even though American team members lived in close proximity to the Detectives.

I have to doubt your honesty here but in a very respectful and polite way sinceI do like you. wink
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« Reply #837 on: Aug 4th, 2009, 5:26pm »

on Aug 4th, 2009, 4:54pm, SiddReader wrote:
@Jedd: But I think, it is okay, if she is loyal in this case. I for my part don't need to know, who is the fool who payed. I am sure, it was not Isaac.


I'm just a poor computer consultant smiley fixing computers. But I have a professional ethos that I maintain at all business levels. I have to have this, because most of my life's work concerns data that is confidencial. I've learned alot about life though all this. But most of anything I can and do say people don't believe anyway. Like the Bechtel executive's contracts before 911.. nobody would believe me.. tongue
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« Reply #838 on: Aug 4th, 2009, 5:42pm »

on Aug 4th, 2009, 5:07pm, Jeddyhi wrote:
@ Tomi

Why did you contact TKDavis if you didn't hire them? That makes no sense whatsoever. You were part of an international team investigating the drones (UK, USA, France). Why didn't an American team member contact them or visit them in person? Because it is usually the money person that does the hiring, right. And in this case the money person was in the UK. So the UK person (you) did the hiring even though American team members lived in close proximity to the Detectives.

I have to doubt your honesty here but in a very respectful and polite way sinceI do like you. wink


One thing I keep trying to remember myself, when investigating this case, is that the truth is usually right in front of your face and much much simplier than we are making it in our imaginations. I've learned this from the examples I've seen here with everyone else making accusations about everyone else. Me included. When I do know what the truth is, as I've told everyone myself, it is just the simple unflorished bare facts that nobody wants to believe.

The PI's work for the DRT and I'm not a core member. I am not able to see anymore on that site than anyother member without admin status. I am bound by professional ethics to not disclose the financial sponsors, but I can tell you in good faith that it is the absolute least insidious aspect to dwell upon in this matter. To have PI's to help solve this is a gift given to the cause.
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« Reply #839 on: Aug 4th, 2009, 5:51pm »

on Aug 4th, 2009, 5:07pm, Jeddyhi wrote:
Why didn't an American team member contact them or visit them in person?



Imagine anyone else in that group at the time but me, who would be crazy enough to pick up the phone and call pages of PI's explaining to each that we were in earnest, we wanted to find drones flying over northern California... rolleyes Err.. I don't think so..

Besides which, I have a telephone plan here that allows me to call all the numbers I want in the USA, mobiles included, for up to 60 minutes time at a flat rate of 7.95 pounds.. national calls included day and evening.. grin
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