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« Reply #960 on: Aug 26th, 2009, 5:11pm »

on Aug 26th, 2009, 5:03pm, Jeddyhi wrote:
I have no idea, Mur! Probably not. Once again it will be OM dropping the ball during a crucial play. You would think that every senior staff member would be proud to display their background and bio. OM members know more about John lear and Angelina Joiner than they do about the owners.

To someone like James Carrion, they are internet figures with no more identity than Chad, Stephen, or Raj.

If James does have an ulterior motive, ie, to make OM look silly...it's working! grin


It certainly is.

You have made some great points.

OM took a huge downgrade without you on the admin team
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« Reply #961 on: Aug 26th, 2009, 5:12pm »

Hmmmmm...good popcorn! Pass the salt, please!
Oh that first drink of beer is cold.....delicious! wink
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« Reply #962 on: Aug 26th, 2009, 5:18pm »

on Aug 26th, 2009, 5:11pm, murnut wrote:
It certainly is.

You have made some great points.

OM took a huge downgrade without you on the admin team


Thanks Mur! I appreciate that. They also lost a great contributor with your recent banning. If I don't phrase my OM posts with great eloquence, I may wind up banned myself. grin
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« Reply #963 on: Aug 26th, 2009, 5:19pm »

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That approach is not going to gain collaboration between UFO organizations! This is an outright attack on his part.

If he wants collaboration; let him call Aviary, Aquarium and a dozen other top respected Ufologists in the world, for a character witness of the Admins & owners of this forum. Our friends run deep and wide.

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OMF is an UFO Organizationhuhhuh?

hahahahahahahaha

What utter arrogance!

It's barely above a chatroom....barely
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« Reply #964 on: Aug 26th, 2009, 5:22pm »

on Aug 26th, 2009, 5:18pm, Jeddyhi wrote:
Thanks Mur! I appreciate that. They also lost a great contributor with your recent banning. If I don't phrase my OM posts with great eloquence, I may wind up banned myself. grin


Apparently I lack a little eloquence, lol.

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« Reply #965 on: Aug 26th, 2009, 5:45pm »

Hi Jedd,

you owe me 1,50$ for the popcorn...

Ah, no, that was the wrong sentence. Remember that time, when one after the other was banned? You were one of the hopeful people there. I also always liked Dragonfire, who sat on the fence until his butt hurt like hell - at least I think, it must have hurt. Nice guy also.

There were others. I had some great conversations with some. I guess, it was not coincidence, that some mods appeared, I never knew of before, when I was banned. Like in China. Send some soldiers to the place of the Heavenly Peace, who don't have any feelings for the students at all.

Looking back without anger I really would say, the postings and pms of Bren and Ivo were the most stupid once. Mhm. Thinking again, I think the same.

I never got more stupid answers at any forum at all. Remember that "Open minds"-discussion between me and Bren? He simply said, I was wrong, since I had expected to start with an open mind, but finally come to a result. Result? What's that?

No results are wanted in an open minds forum...

So no results will come. But maybe James will eat them. Or Masker. (If he did not eat too much of my popcorn!)
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« Reply #966 on: Aug 26th, 2009, 6:13pm »

on Aug 26th, 2009, 5:19pm, murnut wrote:
OMF is an UFO Organizationhuhhuh?

hahahahahahahaha

What utter arrogance!

It's barely above a chatroom....barely

I hope you know I understand your position Mur and I agree with most of it. You also have a right to voice your opinion here, but (eloquence aside grin) if you must criticise then please try and be a little less insulting as ultimately it benefits no one in the long-term.

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« Reply #967 on: Aug 26th, 2009, 9:00pm »

on Aug 26th, 2009, 6:13pm, DrDil wrote:
I hope you know I understand your position Mur and I agree with most of it. You also have a right to voice your opinion here, but (eloquence aside grin) if you must criticise then please try and be a little less insulting as ultimately it benefits no one in the long-term.

Cheers.


You think that's insulting?

I guess you didn't see what I wrote at Amkon shocked grin

Carrion banned once again I see.

Can't the fools see he played them like a fiddle?

He got exactly what he wanted out of them....and it only supports what he wrote to begin with.

Touche'
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« Reply #968 on: Aug 26th, 2009, 9:37pm »

OMG...I just realized that OMF admin team has morphed into the DRT!

It's the same arrogance.

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Carrion 100

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« Reply #969 on: Aug 26th, 2009, 11:13pm »

Childish, ridiculous, unprofessional...

Any sane professional who wants to verify another human being will hire a private detective.
May I suggest two of the best??

With the resourcs of Mufon and their world wide organisation, he resorts to tactics like a blog and posting personal accusations?? Yet again.. I need say no more.. Carrion proved my point from the getgo.

Also... he has lied out in public to all of you and you don't pick up on that? He was never kicked off OM.. In reality he probably forgot his password !

Edited post, not my business to scold others! Sorry..

However, if Carrion wants to establish a new standard of public profiles for all forum owners of UFO and related sites:

1. What gives him the right to make such demands?
2. How would the owners here and at ATS respond to his heavy handed approach? I'm guessing ATS would have given him a much harder boot than OM did.

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« Reply #970 on: Aug 26th, 2009, 11:48pm »


on Aug 26th, 2009, 11:13pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Childish, ridiculous, unprofessional...

Describes the OMF Admin team perfectly

on Aug 26th, 2009, 11:13pm, tomi01uk wrote:
If Bigelow catches wind of this, it could put joint ventures in jephordy. Observation here..There must be an agenda at work on Carrions part. If he isn't committing professional suicide.. that is.


Gee...internet chat room admins promoting the serpo and drone hoaxes or the head of mufon....who is more credible?


on Aug 26th, 2009, 11:13pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Any sane professional who wants to verify another human being will hire a private detective.
May I suggest two of the best??


Why bother spending a dime when all he was doing was making a point that OMF admins reinforced?


on Aug 26th, 2009, 11:13pm, tomi01uk wrote:
With the resourcs of Mufon and their world wide organisation, he resorts to tactics like a blog and posting personal accusations?? Yet again.. I need say no more.. Carrion proved my point from the getgo.


That's all OMF does

on Aug 26th, 2009, 11:13pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Also... he has lied out in public to all of you and you don't pick up on that? He was never kicked off OM.. In reality he probably forgot his password ! Get a grip all of you!



He was most certainly licked off, just as I was.

OMF admins have lie in the past and they are lying now.

Jesus .....my account still shows active.

I'll take Carrion over OMF any day.

Carrion is credible pure and simple.

OMF is not

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« Reply #971 on: Aug 27th, 2009, 12:00am »

on Aug 26th, 2009, 11:48pm, murnut wrote:
He was most certainly licked off, just as I was.



grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin

had to catch that for posterity wink

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« Reply #972 on: Aug 27th, 2009, 12:10am »

on Aug 26th, 2009, 11:13pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Jeddiyh and Mur.. The cuts run a mile deep or deeper for me, yet you have never once heard me denounce publicly or offend my old group. There is a point where you stop!!!
There is a line you do not cross!! Do not ever accuse me again of disparaging Carrion while you both publicly show such contempt for your own old groups! There is such a thing as integrity... I know its hard to find these days.. but worth it!


Rather than cover up for OMF, I'd rather expose the deceit and point out that the admin team there says one thing but does another. There all for being open minded, unless they disagree with you

I've been repeatedly banned not for personaly attacking members...but for posting my opinion.

First time I was banned it was because I posted my opinion of the disgraceful way Carrion was treated 18mos ago.

Second Banning was because I questioned Michael Salla's facts regarding the JAL case....no warning...just the message I was banned when the page refreshed.

Third was because Bren thought I was "too negative" in the UN thread and the Gary Mckinnon thread.

OMF or any organization that attempts to cover up it's dirty laundry and hide in the shadows is doomed to fail.

If they have nothing to hide why do the admins or mods not discuss bannings or moderation in full public view?

You may want to cover up for whoever and whatever, but that's not who I am.

I'd rather be banned a thousand times than say or do nothing.

It's their loss, not mine
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« Reply #973 on: Aug 27th, 2009, 12:14am »

on Aug 27th, 2009, 12:00am, tomi01uk wrote:
grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin

had to catch that for posterity wink

(forgive me.. kiss)


Whoops

Now that's funny.

I can't say how I know, but I know Carrion was most certainly banned tongue
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« Reply #974 on: Aug 27th, 2009, 08:08am »

on Aug 26th, 2009, 11:13pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Childish, ridiculous, unprofessional...

Any sane professional who wants to verify another human being will hire a private detective.
May I suggest two of the best??


Wrong....any sane professional would simply want the person in question to provide their background. This is the internet, where everybody, including you, are just a screen name and an IP address.

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With the resourcs of Mufon and their world wide organisation, he resorts to tactics like a blog and posting personal accusations?? Yet again.. I need say no more.. Carrion proved my point from the getgo.


It is so obvious that you are still licking your wounds from the last time Carrion proved a point. Like I just said , this is the internet, where everyone is a screen name and an IP address. It has its audience and fans, so what better way is there to make an accusation about internet characters than on the internet. Carrion proved how the OMF staff, particularly Doc, gets hotheaded. Who is Doc? Oh yeah, nobody knows that either.

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Also... he has lied out in public to all of you and you don't pick up on that? He was never kicked off OM.. In reality he probably forgot his password !


The gullibility that allowed you to be sucked into the drone hoax so deeply is quite apparent in this last quote. Do you think the OMF staff would admit and proudly proclaim that Yes, we banned the international director of mufon, hip hip hoooorahhh!!! You have no vision whatsoever. You see only what your brain allows, be it a drone reality or the head of mufon as a bad guy.


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However, if Carrion wants to establish a new standard of public profiles for all forum owners of UFO and related sites:

1. What gives him the right to make such demands?
2. How would the owners here and at ATS respond to his heavy handed approach? I'm guessing ATS would have given him a much harder boot than OM did.


Spinning it hard, aren't ya! The man asked two individuals who he has dealt with previously, to show their background, their credentials....to validate themselves as more than just screen names. Notice how that was not done by either. Hmmmmmm......makes you think.

As far as ATS, the owners are well known from interviews, articles, and their own avatars show their photos and postition in the company ,The Above Network, LLC Team. Their real names are well known, Bill Irvine, Mark Allin and Simon Gray. They have even hired a PR firm:
http://www.mouthpublicrelations.com/news/21.pdf


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Jeddiyh and Mur.. The cuts run a mile deep or deeper for me, yet you have never once heard me denounce publicly or offend my old group. There is a point where you stop!!!
There is a line you do not cross!! Do not ever accuse me again of disparaging Carrion while you both publicly show such contempt for your own old groups! There is such a thing as integrity... I know its hard to find these days.. but worth it!


You sometimes make me laugh so hard that my stomach literally hurts. I left the Staff of OM of my own accord because I didn't like how things were going. Since then I have even been banned at least once, so has Mur. According to your warped sense of integrity, any group I've ever belonged to or any job I've ever had, I should hold steadfast to somekind of loyalty to past associations, even if our goals and beliefs now differ. That is a scary thought from you, Tomi. Almost like you not only want to drink the kool-aid, but you'll help stir too.

As an extreme example of applying your logic, a reformed skin head must maintaim allegiance to his old group, or a former KKK member may never say anything against his old affiliation. I was once a member of Netflix but I left because the turn around on DVD's was to slow. Am I allowed to say that or must I keep my head firmly up Netflix's behind? Just because I was once a staff member at OM does mean nor necessitate my undying allegiance. Especially if our outlook and goals now differ. Rank and file is nice but individuality is a good thing that I tend to cling to.

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