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« Reply #990 on: Aug 27th, 2009, 6:17pm »

on Aug 27th, 2009, 6:02pm, SiddReader wrote:
I already knew, that you are working for the MI5 long time ago! Both of you!

LOL cool rolleyes wink

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that it is not my drawing, but the reality in your minds.


hey sidd.. speak for yourself ok... tongue cheesy

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Seriously: I wish, I would know, what you saw! Something... shocked, I guess. Cultural problem, I think. wink


When does my contract as a lab rat end huh
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« Reply #991 on: Aug 27th, 2009, 6:26pm »

on Aug 27th, 2009, 5:01pm, Masker33 wrote:
Saying that the Drones are not a real event is being too specific as to what the real event is.

The ‘real-event’ is the original five witness reports and the Isaac documents or more precisely did the ‘event/s’ occur as claimed (which we know they didn’t).

on Aug 27th, 2009, 2:46pm, Masker33 wrote:
But method is hidden behind............

Madness?

(As in, “There’s madness in your method”? grin)

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« Reply #992 on: Aug 27th, 2009, 6:30pm »

on Aug 27th, 2009, 6:17pm, tomi01uk wrote:

When does my contract as a lab rat end huh
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In May 2007. But if Jaime Maussan takes over, than you will be revitalized again and again and your photo will be reached through all those UFO forums for ever and ever.

Something, masker is hoping for. At least for his pics, not for you... err...I hope.

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« Reply #993 on: Aug 27th, 2009, 7:08pm »

on Aug 27th, 2009, 6:30pm, SiddReader wrote:
In May 2007. But if Jaime Maussan takes over, than you will be revitalized again and again


Hmmmm... assuming you are still around that is.. cheesy
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« Reply #994 on: Aug 27th, 2009, 7:16pm »

Just checked out about that issue about my pic and I guess I understand the cultural clash now:

http://dict.leo.org/forum/viewUnsolvedquery.php?idThread=162643&idForum=1&lp=ende&lang=de

Interesting enough. (Or in Tomi-English: Intrsting enuf, ppl.)

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« Reply #995 on: Aug 28th, 2009, 02:03am »

on Aug 27th, 2009, 7:16pm, SiddReader wrote:
Just checked out about that issue about my pic and I guess I understand the cultural clash now:

http://dict.leo.org/forum/viewUnsolvedquery.php?idThread=162643&idForum=1&lp=ende&lang=de

Interesting enough. (Or in Tomi-English: Intrsting enuf, ppl.)



Errrr.... Es wäre geschmacklos, das zu tun.
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Your drawing style... I know I've seen before, reminds me of The New Yorker, Spy vs Spy.. etc.
esp the one with Springer and the men with beaks,
you mysterious dog you.. wink

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« Reply #996 on: Aug 28th, 2009, 03:07am »

I'm kind of finding some of the opinions going on a bit odd. It seems that there are so many people with axes to grind at the moment. This sort of thing only happens on the internet. It wouldn't happen if everyone was in a big office. Sure there would be arguments, and strong words exchanged, but people would get over it.

Holding on to resentment and blame for this that and the other doesn't really help anyone.

As an example, I could remind Mur of the time he got involved in the whisper campaign about me! Or "atrueoriginal" and when she and her little gang of thugs decided to put me on trial in this very forum. The parallels I draw to what Carrion is doing with Chris and Bren ring much the same. I think at the time, in order to try and prove I was who I said I was, I disclosed my name and business. I SHOULDN'T have had to do that, just to meet the demands of a few people who tried a character assassination.
Given the choice, I would rather have remained relatively anonymous to the larger population. I would always share my identity with those that I like or trust however.

It is easy to throw around opinions about who is right and wrong in the Carrion vs OMF admins debate, but unless you have been put in that position, or you are willing to give a full background on yourself into the public domain, then i'm not sure it is fair to sling mud.

If anything, if you value your relative anonymity, (even if you don't particularly like Ivo/Chris or Admin/Bren) then you should be looking at this argument on that basis.

What gives anyone the right to demand an identity from someone else, unless there has been some serious wrong doing, such as theft, violence, rape, etc.

It seems bizarre, and Carrion is making a very serious fool of himself. If he wants to be seen as normal by most people, then he should be studying UFOs as just a normal person, just like the rest of us. Being in a (and I say this loosely) position of power, he will always put peoples backs up.
Carrion has an axe to grind too. At a guess, he was cleaning up his email inbox, and found those old posts, and it inspired a rather uninspired blog.

Anyway, sorry, I am just frustrated with it all, and, like I say, it is because of the sh*t I got on this forum 'way back when'. It is a nasty position to be in, being accused of being some government covert agent. How do you honestly defend against thathuh? ...and maintain the privacy that you have the right to.

The final question is this... for your opinion to be valid, do you need to tell the whole world who, what and why you are?

Ironically, it is what we ask of our UFO witnesses to believe in them. It doesn't make it someone else’s right to HAVE that information though... and certainly not on the basis of blackmail.

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« Reply #997 on: Aug 28th, 2009, 03:41am »

Yes, I agree Kris. I've had to be more open about myself too to sort out accusations. This is not an office setting, where we can see each other.

Here we have to use our instincts and apply what is correct in the real world to the personalities we meet on the internet.

"Their minds are filled with big ideas, images and distorted facts."

It's a new world out here for everyone with collective interests.. Thankfully we have our own warlock and a social anthropologist to help keep everyone in check.. grin
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« Reply #998 on: Aug 28th, 2009, 04:46am »

Strangely, Lev (under what ever name he goes by) if he were truly a group or just an individual, would be the most interesting to see the true identity of. I never quite understood why he placed so many veils over, and disguised himself.

Just for the record, it isn't because I think he has some significant role going on, or is privy to information we are not (as much as he would like everyone to believe), but I just think it would be interesting to see who or what kind of person would invest so much time in trying to make others believe that.

I'd just like to lock horns with him without his silly facade of masks, and a veil of smoke. I always struggled to really give much credence to someone hiding behind the curtain. It always reminded me of the Wizard of Oz... projecting a big scary (well not that scary) demon, but down below, behind the curtain is a bit of a silly man who would be far more accepted.

Anyway, this isn't a dig at him, it is his right to do as he pleases, it is just an expression of interest really. I'm presuming that he is now sitting behind (aptly) masker33s profile. (Although I know he will claim that he isn't, and he is one of the group, but not Lev specifically). Anyway, hello Lev *gives you a big kiss on the lips*, you silly old moo smiley

Right.. I'd best do some work... these bills don't pay for themselves!

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« Reply #999 on: Aug 28th, 2009, 06:59am »

Another problem is that we forget the importance of taking things at face value, while trying to make sense of a morass centered around a mystery.

More important, is that the truth is usually too obvious for us to see sometimes. What is hidden has value, what is obvious is discarded. Add to that peerage pressured opinions and facts escape undetected.

I tend to think that the drone saga was extremely sophisticated in the parts of it that were "engineered".

The likelyhood that a party to that engineering would maintain a stance within the community of people interested in it, sophisticatedly, to me is pretty strong.
Or I could, yet again, be completely wrong.. tongue

But I also think Masker is correct when he says it was a message made public for a purpose.

And let's face it, it was done with extreme sophistication, even to the point where the image hosting site was immediately hacked and porn replaced the photos.

This is NOT a script kiddie endeavor... It takes brute strength and experience to do that. These are the things that are at face value we should keep in mind.. IMO
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« Reply #1000 on: Aug 28th, 2009, 08:13am »

If you really believe that the account was hacked, than you at least proof your words above - namely that the truth sometimes is too obvious to be seen...

But this was all said before. Let's wait, who offers the next free beer.
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« Reply #1001 on: Aug 28th, 2009, 09:08am »

on Aug 28th, 2009, 03:07am, donkeykong wrote:
I'm kind of finding some of the opinions going on a bit odd. It seems that there are so many people with axes to grind at the moment. This sort of thing only happens on the internet. It wouldn't happen if everyone was in a big office. Sure there would be arguments, and strong words exchanged, but people would get over it.

Holding on to resentment and blame for this that and the other doesn't really help anyone.

As an example, I could remind Mur of the time he got involved in the whisper campaign about me!


Here's the difference...I can admit when I have been wrong.

Can the same be said for any admin at OM?

Have the OM admins ever made a mistake ever?

When have they ever apologized or admitted to a mistake?

Carrion is right....something really stinks at OM...they cover up anything potentially embarrassing.

This is the behavior of cult leaders

And yes...clearly I'm biased
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« Reply #1002 on: Aug 28th, 2009, 09:33am »

on Aug 28th, 2009, 04:46am, donkeykong wrote:
Strangely, Lev (under what ever name he goes by) if he were truly a group or just an individual, would be the most interesting to see the true identity of. I never quite understood why he placed so many veils over, and disguised himself.




Maybe ole Lev is just insecure in his work. He shouldn’t be, I think he (assuming Lev is a he) is a talented “bat.” Odd, but talented.

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« Reply #1003 on: Aug 28th, 2009, 09:41am »

Realistically, the only party to suffer any damage from this whole affair will be OM. They are coming off as evasive, secretive, uncooperative and actually kind of rude.

Mufon is a world wide organization that is respected and consulted, even by the History channel. OM is simply a discussion forum where a lot of questionable topics are freely discussed. For example, check out this thread where certains members are "scanned" without permission to check their aura or 'signature' rolleyes

http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=johnlear&action=display&thread=6217&page=6#199230

OM is going to come out of this looking like a crack pot group run by a crack pot staff that cannot get along with Mufon. The moderator Fore is even preparing to do some Pyschic tests at 30% and is asking for volunteers. shocked

http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=PSI&thread=6285&page=1

OM has dropped, no, totally missed the ball. They need a PR person to handle real life situations while they just do what they do on the boards.

Truthfully, I do not regret one bit stepping down as a senior staff member.

Edit: I inadvertantly thought that Fore was going for 100% pyschic effort. I misread the post. Edit to correct
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« Reply #1004 on: Aug 28th, 2009, 10:28am »

on Aug 28th, 2009, 08:13am, SiddReader wrote:
If you really believe that the account was hacked, than you at least proof your words above - namely that the truth sometimes is too obvious to be seen...

But this was all said before. Let's wait, who offers the next free beer.


Yes of course.. duh.. Spf didn't put a password on the site, so Raj hacked his own site.. and put porn up himself.
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