Board Logo
« Drone Discussion #10 »

Welcome Guest. Please Login or Register.
Aug 19th, 2017, 06:22am


Visit the UFO Casebook Web Site

*Totally FREE 24/7 Access *Your Nickname and Avatar *Private Messages

*Join today and be a part of one of the largest UFO sites on the Net.


« Previous Topic | Next Topic »
Pages: 1 ... 71 72 73 74 75  ...  100 Notify Send Topic Print
 sticky  Author  Topic: Drone Discussion #10  (Read 50496 times)
masker33
Guest
xx Re: Drone Discussion #10
« Reply #1080 on: Dec 22nd, 2009, 11:24am »

I don't disagree with any of this in principle and it is expected. The Drones (real, part real, hoax) represent a study of responses from many different posters and that is interesting. Ufology has no legitimate sightings that can not be attacked. The degree to which the Drones were and are attacked is very significant to some.

User IP Logged

Jeddyhi
Senior Member
ImageImageImageImage


member is offline

Avatar




PM

Gender: Male
Posts: 589
xx Re: Drone Discussion #10
« Reply #1081 on: Dec 22nd, 2009, 11:55am »

on Dec 22nd, 2009, 11:24am, Masker33 wrote:
I don't disagree with any of this in principle and it is expected. The Drones (real, part real, hoax) represent a study of responses from many different posters and that is interesting. Ufology has no legitimate sightings that can not be attacked. The degree to which the Drones were and are attacked is very significant to some.



The willingness by some to accept the drone hoax as a legitimate sighting event is also very significant to some. Because when a case as preposterous as the drones is accepted, it damages the credibility of serious ufologists worldwide. A few bad apples can ruin the whole bushel. wink
User IP Logged

"Nothing will ever claim ownership of the original Drone information, so copyright is not a question. Use it."- Masker33
masker33
Guest
xx Re: Drone Discussion #10
« Reply #1082 on: Dec 22nd, 2009, 12:12pm »

Quote:
The willingness by some to accept the drone hoax as a legitimate sighting event is also very significant to some. Because when a case as preposterous as the drones is accepted, it damages the credibility of serious ufologists worldwide. A few bad apples can ruin the whole bushel.


Ufology is preposterous by its nature.
User IP Logged

masker33
Guest
xx Re: Drone Discussion #10
« Reply #1083 on: Dec 22nd, 2009, 12:21pm »

Quote:
I have been a participant in discussions like the ones on this site for decades. And I have noticed a few things that tend to happen in the threads and I would like to point them out.
There is an old trick in a debate of making a blanket statement such as "This has been proven" or "Everyone knows". This statement depends on not being challenged by the other side. The user hopes that they will not be challenged to give sources. Or if they are they plan on accusing the challenger of not knowing the subject, knowing themselves that NO ONE knows every fact about a broad subject. In any event they will shy away from giving sources.
I have seen this in several threads and so far it works. Very few ask for the source of the "facts".
There is also the trick of the "Elder". In an open public debate the person dresses and acts like the more experienced person in the debate. They listen to statements and roll their eyes and use other tricks of body language to infer that the other person doesn't know what they are talking about. They talk down to their opponent.
While this is hard to do on a web site it can be done by the use of snide remarks, demeaning comments, and inuendo. On the web the goal is to drive away the other poster, and silence them.
Lastly is redirection. This is simply the act of taking the focus away from the original point and focusing on some small area that alows the attacker to show a mistake or mistatement that is then used to attack the credibility of the main issue, or poster. It is attacking the messenger and not the message.
These tricks are all in play on this site. They are used to belittle some posters, take away any credibility they may have, and to redirect the thread away from the original issue.
Be aware, and when blanket statements like "this has been proven" are used, ask for sources so you can look for yourself and make up your own mind.
We can only learn to separate the facts of this issue from the misdirection if we all make up our own minds based on the full knowledge of the information available.
To do that we need to know where the information came from, all that is available, and what all the other opinions are on the information. Blocking access by the use of debating tricks does not open doors.


This quote is appropriate in this thread as to many others. The "Blanket Statement" comes from ignorant arrogance and nothing more.
« Last Edit: Dec 22nd, 2009, 12:26pm by masker33 » User IP Logged

murnut
Senior Member
ImageImageImageImage


member is offline

Avatar




Homepage PM

Gender: Male
Posts: 614
xx Re: Drone Discussion #10
« Reply #1084 on: Dec 22nd, 2009, 1:17pm »

on Dec 22nd, 2009, 09:28am, Masker33 wrote:
The above quote from OMF is very reasonable and sums up the situation as it now stands (IMO).

Could you ever trust any form of disclosure!


"Disclosure" is a word that is being over used. It means different things to different people.

But you know what I think wink
« Last Edit: Dec 22nd, 2009, 1:17pm by murnut » User IP Logged

You want a revolution?
You've got to make a difference on your own
You want a revolution?
Stand up, stand out and make it known
masker33
Guest
xx Re: Drone Discussion #10
« Reply #1085 on: Dec 22nd, 2009, 2:04pm »

Quote:
"Disclosure" is a word that is being over used. It means different things to different people.


I agree and probably has little to do with the Drones.
User IP Logged

DrDil
Global Moderator
ImageImageImageImageImage


member is offline

Avatar

Fighting against truth decay!!


Homepage PM

Gender: Male
Posts: 4224
xx Re: Drone Discussion #10
« Reply #1086 on: Dec 22nd, 2009, 2:28pm »

on Dec 22nd, 2009, 2:04pm, Masker33 wrote:
I agree and probably has little to do with the Drones.

I suppose it depends entirely on your point of view as they were/are both worshipped and built up to a point where disappointment was sadly inevitable, mainly as they could never fulfil their early promise, never satisfy the need that they themselves created…..

Cheers. smiley
User IP Logged

Can't keep my eyes from the circling skies,
Tongue-tied & twisted, just an earth-bound misfit.
Albert
Guest
xx Re: Drone Discussion #10
« Reply #1087 on: Dec 22nd, 2009, 2:38pm »

If one looks at the drone story, it seems that not much has happened since the "hoax" first was released. Not even the website of Isaac was hacked..does this not tell a few things about this whole issue..?

If a clever guy was to spin this and eventually make some cash on this, aren't the time passed..?

Either the whole chabang is abandoned, or are some intelligent play, made for the UFO community to decifher, hoping for some answer to develope amongst the community itself...and lead to other conclusions to help or to engage in a much higher program?

Who's to know?

You sure have developed some contradicting answers, so if this was the purpose, you filled the subject to the limit..!

Just blending in,

Albert

« Last Edit: Dec 22nd, 2009, 2:39pm by Albert » User IP Logged

DrDil
Global Moderator
ImageImageImageImageImage


member is offline

Avatar

Fighting against truth decay!!


Homepage PM

Gender: Male
Posts: 4224
xx Re: Drone Discussion #10
« Reply #1088 on: Dec 22nd, 2009, 2:45pm »

on Dec 22nd, 2009, 2:38pm, Albert wrote:
If one looks at the drone story, it seems that not much has happened since the "hoax" first was released. Not even the website of Isaac was hacked..does this not tell a few things about this whole issue..?

If a clever guy was to spin this and eventually make some cash on this, aren't the time passed..?

Either the whole chabang is abandoned, or are some intelligent play, made for the UFO community to decifher, hoping for some answer to develope amongst the community itself...and lead to other conclusions to help or to engage in a much higher program?

Who's to know?

You sure have developed some contradicting answers, so if this was the purpose, you filled the subject to the limit..!

Just blending in,

Albert


Hi again Albert,

I guess your holidays have started then? laugh
(As it’s not even a Friday night!! kiss)

Before you start flaming us all and cancel your membership (again grin) I just wanted to wish you & yours a merry Christmas and sincerely all the best for the New Year.

Cheers. smiley
User IP Logged

Can't keep my eyes from the circling skies,
Tongue-tied & twisted, just an earth-bound misfit.
Albert
Guest
xx Re: Drone Discussion #10
« Reply #1089 on: Dec 22nd, 2009, 2:54pm »

on Dec 22nd, 2009, 2:45pm, DrDil wrote:
Hi again Albert,

I guess your holidays have started then? laugh
(As it’s not even a Friday night!! kiss)

Before you start flaming us all and cancel your membership (again grin) I just wanted to wish you & yours a merry Christmas and sincerely all the best for the New Year.

Cheers. smiley


Hi DrDil,

Sure I won't flame anyone here, that remark surely points out why it's needless to bring anything to the stand here, unless you are willing to face the consequences..

AND, ofcourse a merry Christmas to you as well...

Sure, it's not a friday night, as it still is tuesday, I can be as annoying as I like, if it's within the limits of the rules stuck out by the UFO Casebook..right?

Cheers,
Albert
« Last Edit: Dec 22nd, 2009, 3:01pm by Albert » User IP Logged

DrDil
Global Moderator
ImageImageImageImageImage


member is offline

Avatar

Fighting against truth decay!!


Homepage PM

Gender: Male
Posts: 4224
xx Re: Drone Discussion #10
« Reply #1090 on: Dec 22nd, 2009, 3:06pm »

Yep, whatever makes you feel superior good, fill your boots….. smiley
User IP Logged

Can't keep my eyes from the circling skies,
Tongue-tied & twisted, just an earth-bound misfit.
Albert
Guest
xx Re: Drone Discussion #10
« Reply #1091 on: Dec 22nd, 2009, 3:16pm »

on Dec 22nd, 2009, 3:06pm, DrDil wrote:
Yep, whatever makes you feel superior good, fill your boots….. smiley


I have no further comments on this issue.

If you are so unsure of yourself, I certainly see the problem.

If you can't see, that an opposite opinion might have roots in certainty, it's better to disregard it than to challenge it, once your heart is set on the opposite..

Nothing wrong with that, but sooner than later you will know that not all is what is presented.

I guess we never will agree on this, and that's certainly OK with me, you have your right to your opinion, and I have the right to stand where I see the possibilities..it's as easy as that.

I never make personal remarks, as it serves no purpose, the case in mind.

Cheers,

Albert
User IP Logged

Klatunictobarata
Guest
xx Re: Drone Discussion #10
« Reply #1092 on: Dec 22nd, 2009, 4:04pm »

Ye Gods...isn't it about time for Tomi to chime in and set us all straight? grin

If this entire affair was even remotely a container with some element of truth foreshadowing further disclosure, why hasn't anyone else jumped in with books, continuing meaningful high-class blogs/forums, media programs that don't dead end, and so on?

Even high-value TV shows like 'Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles' and UFO Hunters die on the vine and nobody else save the chronic believers ('there has to be some truth in there') stubbornly cling to some shred of plausibility.

Keeping this thing going serves mainly to allow followers find the perps and ascertain the why and how of it. Eventually someone somewhere will make a mistake or simply burst at the seams.

For some of us it is a fun exercise, for others a solemn duty.



User IP Logged

masker33
Guest
xx Re: Drone Discussion #10
« Reply #1093 on: Dec 22nd, 2009, 5:16pm »

Quote:
Keeping this thing going serves mainly to allow followers find the perps and ascertain the why and how of it. Eventually someone somewhere will make a mistake or simply burst at the seams.

For some of us it is a fun exercise, for others a solemn duty.


Oh, it is fun for me too, but I am sure not in the way you mean. Also who connected disclosure to the Drones. They have nothing in common.
I delight in the Drones but can easily deal with the closing of this thread and the removal of the Drone subject in its entirety from UFO CB.
User IP Logged

Katterfelto
Guest
xx Re: Drone Discussion #10
« Reply #1094 on: Dec 22nd, 2009, 6:00pm »

on Dec 22nd, 2009, 5:16pm, Masker33 wrote:
Also who connected disclosure to the Drones. They have nothing in common.

Look in a mirror. grin
You opened the barn door with that quote from OMF trying to find alternate explanations (excuses) for this farce.
You know this for a fact or just your opinion.
User IP Logged

Pages: 1 ... 71 72 73 74 75  ...  100 Notify Send Topic Print
« Previous Topic | Next Topic »

Become a member of the UFO Casebook Forum today and join our more than 19,000 members.

Visit the UFO Casebook Web Site

Donate $6.99 for 50,000 Ad-Free Pageviews!

| |

This forum powered for FREE by Conforums ©
Sign up for your own Free Message Board today!
Terms of Service | Privacy Policy | Conforums Support | Parental Controls