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« Reply #1320 on: Jan 5th, 2010, 6:31pm »

I think she just likes the attention, it fulfills a need lacking from other "normal" avenues.
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« Reply #1321 on: Jan 5th, 2010, 6:49pm »

on Jan 3rd, 2010, 5:08pm, Klatunictobarata wrote:
Oh, I dunno...perhaps a bit of sanity?


That's EXACTLY what I meant.
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« Reply #1322 on: Jan 5th, 2010, 7:27pm »

Let's simply wait for masker's comment.
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« Reply #1323 on: Jan 5th, 2010, 8:13pm »

on Jan 5th, 2010, 6:31pm, Gort wrote:
I think she just likes the attention, it fulfills a need lacking from other "normal" avenues.


This past past year I've done more to help this case along than you have Gort. And all you have offered are flames, so keep deluding yourself.. and projecting grin
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« Reply #1324 on: Jan 5th, 2010, 8:20pm »

on Jan 5th, 2010, 6:15pm, Jeddyhi wrote:
Man, the way people come on here and play other people is mind boggling. After a couple of years and thousands of posting, new people come on here like Albert and say exactly what Tomi wants to hear..


Jeddyih, maybe others out there are more interested in the case and in solving it than you are? Have you ever considered that possibility? And consider also that other people may have a different view of this case than you do. I know you were tempering people who insulted others as a mod over on OM. I would appreciate the same respect.

If you want to argue gullible, let's play how many Lev's there are with a line of suppliments named after them.. from Palo Alto no less.. wink smiley
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« Reply #1325 on: Jan 5th, 2010, 8:26pm »

on Jan 5th, 2010, 8:13pm, tomi01uk wrote:
This past past year I've done more to help this case along than you have Gort.


This I have to whole heartedly agree with. But I think a better phrasing would be that you have helped this hoax along. You have single handedly found ways to resurrect this thread with discussions about copyright infringement to a fascination with Virgil Crow. I don't know exactly what you have done to help move things along to a conclusion. But, yes, you have helped something along and along and along and along and along........................ grin

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« Reply #1326 on: Jan 5th, 2010, 8:32pm »

Believe it or not progress is being made.. we are finding all the places the drones and Isaac are not.. cool

LOL...

And how many Virgil Crows did you think it took to "fascinate" me as you like to put it.. grin
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« Reply #1327 on: Jan 5th, 2010, 8:40pm »

on Jan 5th, 2010, 8:20pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Jeddyih, maybe others out there are more interested in the case and in solving it than you are? Have you ever considered that possibility? And consider also that other people may have a different view of this case than you do. I know you were tempering people who insulted others as a mod over on OM. I would appreciate the same respect.

If you want to argue gullible, let's play how many Lev's there are with a line of suppliments named after them.. from Palo Alto no less.. wink smiley


What makes you think it is solvable? What is your definition of a solved drone case? You go on and on about solving it and never admit that it may never be solved short of the hoaxers themselves stepping forward. If this drone thing was government disinfo, then you will definitely never solve it.

Here is a better question. We know it is a hoax so why does it matter to you who did it? They have commited no crime other than tricking gullible fools in Ufology. Do you wish to out the person(s) so they may be exposed for the hoaxers they are? What is the purpose of going on and on? The phrase "Just let it go" comes to mind.

The drone case has been solved in the sense that it is a known hoax. What other glory are you striving for? And realize that by going for the glory, you just keep the shills happily posting their cryptic, nonsensical postings designed to intrigue just you. Can we rename this thread "The Tomi Show" because that is what it has become.

None of what I have posted was meant as an insult. It is obvious and honest observation of what you have been doing. You entertain the shills. You encourage them. All for what?
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« Reply #1328 on: Jan 5th, 2010, 8:58pm »

Information.
Not to be so mercinary about it either..
But this is a fascinating case or saga..
otherwise you would have to be a hypocrite to complain if someone posts something in a thread you are always watching..

Besides.. this IA lead is fascinating in itself. I've noticed whole threads on the internet with poor naive fools trying to make sense out of it.. and here I find our IA gang are pros far more than you imagine.

Look at Mysticfire DVD's and you will find the internalastronauts have their hand in the design and development of the film about Maya Deren.

We are not talking amateur hour here.. that is for sure.
Very interesting and I like them, so how mercinary is that?
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« Reply #1329 on: Jan 6th, 2010, 07:24am »

Information comes in many forms, including mis and dis. You still haven't answered what is is you seek. How do you solve the case, by blaming the drone affair on somebody? By getting the hoaxers to admit to the hoax? By getting the government to admit it was one of their disinfo campaigns? Good luck with that. As far as this thread goes, I visit Casebook everyday. Been a member since 2005. And just about everyday I see never ending postings from you in your quest to solve something that does not wish to be solved nor does it lend itself to the prospect of ever being solved without Raj, Chad, Jenna, or Stephen coming forward. And since they are hoaxers that is so unlikely to ever happen.

You are picking at the bones of a horse that died long ago. Shall the shills play you like a two dollar fiddle on in to 2011?

Maybe Isaac will come here to help you.....or is he already here? rolleyes
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Mmm, yes, very curious, very interesting....


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« Reply #1330 on: Jan 6th, 2010, 07:55am »

on Jan 5th, 2010, 8:40pm, Jeddyhi wrote:
What makes you think it is solvable?



Hi Jed,

As most of us are aware, the case has been “solved” for several years now.

There are really only two solutions to an anonymously submitted case like this… it will be real or it will be a hoax. The only thing left after that are the implications, for example (in the Drone case)... the who and the why.

Even with a claim there may be some “reality” to the evidence that has been released (and it is only an unsubstantiated claim), it does not change the solution of real or hoax for the “Big Basin Drones.” The facts of this case have been, no vetted evidence points to anything real. The case is a fabrication and it is intellectually dishonest for people to claim “secret” or unshared knowledge about there being some “truth” or “reality” about the case. Every time this knowledge has been shared, it turns out to be theories that cannot stand up to minimal scrutiny. Even it there was evidence that pointed to (just for the sake of argument) every third character in the LAP is a part of a real alien language… it does not negate the LAP from being fraudulent (since two thirds of it is meaningless art work). But I would have to question the logic of anyone “giving up” a secret of this magnitude... and hiding it in a hoax like this. There would be no reason for it. There have been no “leaks” of anything Drone related to the public, before or after this hoax… that concept just does not make any sense.

It is also intellectually dishonest for any group to claim they have “now” solved the case and it is a hoax. They can only claim they have further investigated the case and they can support the earlier conclusion of it being a hoax.

While the implications may still have some questions of interest that would be note worthy to answer (when and if it becomes possible), the fact still remains that the "case" has already been solved.

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« Reply #1331 on: Jan 6th, 2010, 08:51am »

When not if.. we find out who or what did the drone photos, the LAP and the most amazing to me at least, the antigravity device... I will for the sake of symantics call the case closed JMO ..
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« Reply #1332 on: Jan 6th, 2010, 09:26am »

on Jan 5th, 2010, 6:15pm, Jeddyhi wrote:
Man, the way people come on here and play other people is mind boggling. After a couple of years and thousands of posting, new people come on here like Albert and say exactly what Tomi wants to hear. Forever the gullible fool that she is, she responds with giggly glee at the prospect that they know something. They push her buttons and she responds accordingly...tsk, tsk, tsk.

I'll sum the drones up for you. It was fake. A hoax. The pictures are fake. The LAP is meaningless artwork. The hoax is now in its final stage of trying to keep itself alive. Tomi speaks of solving the case......yeah, right! Like Roswell was solved. Like Rendleshem was solved. Or Shag Harbor. I hate comparing a hoax to famous UFO cases but the point is that it will never be solved.

We now know for a solid fact that anonymity was not because of fear of ridicule or for privacy, it was so the hoaxers would not get caught. If Tomi really wants to know who did the drone hoax (I have no idea why that would be important anyway) she should offer a reward for the hoaxer to come forward with veriable evidence that they created the hoax. Either that or keep on dreaming, post another 5000 posts related to the drones and keep letting the shills push her buttons.

At this late late stage of the drone hoax, its starting to get a bit embarrassing if you ask me. Remember the guy who long ago faked a Nessie picture with the head attached to a toy submarine. It would be like Tomi draining the Loch, finding no Nessie and searching endlessly for the guy that faked the photo just to ask him how he did it or why he chose that angle and length for the neck of the fake head. Or did he base it on something that he really witnessed, blah, blah, blah, blah.


Those are some good points, however I find it interesting that people continue to come back, time and time again and berate the small handful of people who are interested in who made the drones.

As to what tomi's motives are, it seems to me she's just interested finding the who and why. Is that threatening in some manner? If a person has decided that finding out who did it is not important, why not just leave it alone? Move on.

One can't leave it alone because it gives one a chance to get their internet digs in and make them feel superior.


Is it super important the maker of the drones is uncovered? No, not really. Would it be interesting to know? I would say yes, some would say no.

What is embarrassing is the behavior which some exhibit to belittle those they don't agree with, no matter what the position is.

If it's all just a [HOAX] then lighten up a little and move on if it doesn't interest you.



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« Reply #1333 on: Jan 6th, 2010, 11:07am »

Apparently I do have interest but my interest right now is in why anybody would try to "solve" a case that is already a solved hoax. Lets say that 6 people from MIT are responsible for the whole thing. What then? What is the point? Find them and condemn them are shower them with praise? How come nobody wants to track down the source of Serpo? What about the Great Lakes Dive company hoax, are they not worthy of hunting down?

The drones are a hoax. What else matters? Tracking down anonymous internet characters is impossible. Read impossible. The culprits will never be found unless they decide to come forward.

So short of entertaining cryptic postings by complete strangers that claim to know this and that but never tell anything, what do you suggest be done to out the hoaxers besides posting on a drone thread?

I simply do not understand Tomi's obsession or reasoning for her motivation. She may as well be looking for Osama Bin Laden.
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« Reply #1334 on: Jan 6th, 2010, 1:13pm »

on Jan 6th, 2010, 11:07am, Jeddyhi wrote:
The drones are a hoax. What else matters? Tracking down anonymous internet characters is impossible. Read impossible. The culprits will never be found unless they decide to come forward.


Well obviously it is not impossible... but I will leave you guessing about that .. since you don't think its possible..

What is impossible to know right now and is just an opinion each of us has that unfortunately is different from everyone elses .. Is where did these photos and designs originate? And why?

That is the interest I have in this case, and since I'm long invested in time since the beginning working on it, not being a quitter, I continue to have an interest in seeing this through to the end. As simple as that.
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