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« Reply #15 on: Sep 22nd, 2009, 3:32pm »

on Sep 22nd, 2009, 12:55pm, YourWorstNightmare wrote:
How is it ony you and Tomi and three others found..odd isnt it?


As an observer from outside I only can say, that it is odd, that in UFOlogy nobody tells the things as they were. This is a repeating pattern - believer or skeptic. Everybody is producing his/her own reality and is totally closed to facts. Usually this is then called "open minded" or "common sense", as Occam's razor is turned around three or four times.

If nothing else helps, there are many Capital letters to use and finally we got the PTB, who even influence our alien friends. - Or how could it be, that our aliens don't dare to show themselves, if they are not after Whitley's backside?

You find it odd, that we were there very early? I find it odd, that not one of those alleged researchers had the idea to write to Reyes after Linda published his mail on earthfiles.
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« Reply #16 on: Sep 22nd, 2009, 3:56pm »

Ufology is a cover generated and maintained. For what, well that is what it is all about. This thread was sure that this Drone Saga was viral marketing. Are you now!. Now its a minor hoax and yes it may very well have been a distraction for the moment. I do not care to get into personalities here that is the JOB of others. What ever you want to call the Drones, they worked. As to the LAP: Drafix CAD and HP Plotter? Also all programs such as Maya are vector. As in all Ufology the UFO's best friend is the UFO researcher. Long may they live.
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« Reply #17 on: Sep 22nd, 2009, 5:19pm »

After I followed this, I would go even further: UFOlogy is like an aquarium. Inside are the dopefishes, that try to eat everything and outside are the children, who try to feed the fishes everything.

Outside of this room, the aquarium is not important at all. The fishes may tell their stories to each other and be happy.
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« Reply #18 on: Sep 22nd, 2009, 6:23pm »

on Sep 22nd, 2009, 3:56pm, Masker33 wrote:
What ever you want to call the Drones, they worked.

Why don't you explain how it/they worked in laymens language.
I already know how it worked to a few suckers and those with an interest to find the who's and why.
Tell me of the big picture if you dare.
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« Reply #19 on: Sep 22nd, 2009, 11:01pm »

on Sep 22nd, 2009, 6:23pm, StaffLetter25 wrote:
Why don't you explain how it/they worked in laymens language.
I already know how it worked to a few suckers and those with an interest to find the who's and why.
Tell me of the big picture if you dare.


I can think of plenty of ways that the hoax was successful in it's mission.

The question is..... just what that mission was.

That's what the debate centers on now.

Viral advertising? Maybe....but I don't think so....I could be wrong.

Practical joke? Maybe....but I don't think so....I could be wrong.

Disinfo for Cointel? I don't know

Cointel fishing Expedition? I don't know

Cointel internet test? I don't know.

Whatever the case ,maybe the hoax had a value to someone or some organization.

Determining what aspect had the potential to produce the greatest value, for the hoaxers is what interests me at this point.

Value is subjective....depending on what was important to the hoaxers.

I see patterns over the years of ufology.

MJ-12 Docs and Doty, Doty and LMH, Doty and Paul Bennewitz, Serpo and Doty again, LMH and the Dive company.

Was Doty acting alone, or following orders?

Was there a "value" for someone or some organization as the result of Doty's actions?

Doty's not rich, is he?...what other motivation might there be?

With Doty removed, has someone(s) filled the void?

I'm speculating.

Some have speculated that the MJ-12 docs contained a code message that was meant for the Russians.

Might the Lap be something along those lines?

I doubt it, seems like a lot of trouble when there are much easier ways.


I think it's fair to speculate.

I think it is fair to speculate that some involved with the drone "research" aren't who they appear to be.

Just look at Bill Moore

I prefer transparency, and there has been very little from the supposed "researchers"

Who bankrolled the PI's is a fair question.

It's not been answered and there may be perfectly good reasons for that.

There are plenty of other questions that haven't been answered either, about the "researchers".

They don't have to answer, if they don't want to.

It is interesting to speculate on patterns though. wink




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« Reply #20 on: Sep 23rd, 2009, 11:08am »

The who and why IMO are not the most important things. The most important thing at this juncture is to be sure this does not go down in history as a possible real event!!

There is enough BS floating around touted as real that is not. My goal in posting is to make sure EVERYONE knows this was a hoax and it does not get spun into the archives of UFOlogy as reality.

We know there are those that are angling for just that...thanks to many dedicated and tenacious researchers and plain old common sense UFOlogists we know the truth and can make sure that does not happen!
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« Reply #21 on: Sep 23rd, 2009, 1:19pm »

on Sep 22nd, 2009, 12:57pm, Jeddyhi wrote:
I'll still be around. I love Casebook and appreciate being allowed to voice my opinion.

I'm just through dancing with Tomi. tongue
My self imposed ban from this thread has changed to a self imposed ban to ignore Tomi. cool

If I see a post that is interesting, enlightening, amazing or incredible, I still may chime in from time to time.

Thank you DrDil, for your excellent moderating and patience! wink

Thanks Jed it’s appreciated more than you know!!

And I'm looking forward to reading your posts as yours is an opinion I've always valued. smiley

(Oh and the ‘cheerleader’ thing was about right!! grin)

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« Reply #22 on: Sep 23rd, 2009, 1:22pm »

on Sep 23rd, 2009, 11:08am, TheShadow wrote:
The who and why IMO are not the most important things. The most important thing at this juncture is to be sure this does not go down in history as a possible real event!!

There is enough BS floating around touted as real that is not. My goal in posting is to make sure EVERYONE knows this was a hoax and it does not get spun into the archives of UFOlogy as reality.

We know there are those that are angling for just that...thanks to many dedicated and tenacious researchers and plain old common sense UFOlogists we know the truth and can make sure that does not happen!

I agree 100% Shads hence…..

Cheers!! grin
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« Reply #23 on: Sep 23rd, 2009, 1:42pm »

on Sep 23rd, 2009, 1:22pm, DrDil wrote:
I agree 100% Shads hence…..

Cheers!! grin


Same here
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« Reply #24 on: Sep 23rd, 2009, 1:42pm »

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Tell me of the big picture if you dare.


Nope.

Cheerleaders are required for a game. Also the Lev comment was typical of the source.

Ufology is just that a game and the Drones, as I have said before, are no more needed to be real than the rest of it.

The UFO scene becomes more stale by the minute and that is good.
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« Reply #25 on: Sep 23rd, 2009, 2:24pm »

on Sep 23rd, 2009, 1:42pm, Masker33 wrote:
Nope.

Cheerleaders are required for a game. Also the Lev comment was typical of the source.

Ufology is just that a game and the Drones, as I have said before, are no more needed to be real than the rest of it.

The UFO scene becomes more stale by the minute and that is good.

Again with the game? laugh

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Typical for the source”?

While the subject is broached do/can you speak for Lev?

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« Reply #26 on: Sep 23rd, 2009, 3:17pm »

He is Lev. I thought everyone knew that. Why do you think Tomi likes him so much lol grin
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« Reply #27 on: Sep 23rd, 2009, 3:27pm »

on Sep 23rd, 2009, 3:17pm, Jeddyhi wrote:
He is Lev. I thought everyone knew that.

He speaks of Lev in the third/fourth/fifth person only and I was seeking conformation from the horse’s mouth as it were but I fear it may have been truly beaten to death, if there was an iota of truth in the ‘group’ thing then we’ve witnessed the birth of yet another of Lev’s fractured personalities.

But I suspect the same as you in that he’s nowhere near as mysterious as that, no harm in seeking verification though…..

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« Reply #28 on: Sep 23rd, 2009, 3:52pm »

I like Lev's work as I said when I came here. I do have information about this saga. Opinions are a dime a dozen and those here including mine are just that, except for the info I know. I like Tomi and enjoy her enthusiasm. The horse is dead, but many have learned what to do and what not to do next time. As I said I consider the sources and I am sure you do to. If the Drones are established as a hoax of whatever degree, it is close enough.
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« Reply #29 on: Sep 23rd, 2009, 3:55pm »

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In the above Screen capture, Masker (Lev) posted a pic of some Leviathan art. Notice the time of the post....3:44PM.

Now in the below screen capture from the DRT forum, Lev (Masker) posts the same art but over 15 minutes later. So Masker had access to the art and posted it before Lev at the DRT. They are one and the same. Thought everyone knew.


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