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« Reply #255 on: Sep 30th, 2009, 5:50pm »

on Sep 30th, 2009, 5:49pm, Jeddyhi wrote:
Well then, that points more to Alienware being the origin of the LAP than anything else. Surely they would not take such a risk unless they had the right. But this is all deja vue and has been discussed many times over.

Why travel in a circle?


Why?? Because your speculations say so??
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« Reply #256 on: Sep 30th, 2009, 5:52pm »

on Sep 30th, 2009, 5:49pm, Jeddyhi wrote:
Well then, that points more to Alienware being the origin of the LAP than anything else. Surely they would not take such a risk unless they had the right. But this is all deja vue and has been discussed many times over.

Why travel in a circle?


As noted a good fraction of a zillion times already, to think that AW, part of Dell, didn't have it's hind end covered when they ordered the production of those computers is just loopy.
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« Reply #257 on: Sep 30th, 2009, 5:56pm »

AlienWare created a trademark when they used a derivative work from the LAP. That would normally trigger a response, but it didn't. They slowly incorporated more and increasing replications of the design into their products and the marketing of their products. Assured possibly by no longer having the 2 year limit of contesting copyright to fear, they have gone full use with many original elements of the design.

However, they are not out of danger yet. I believe they are speculating on winning with a team of research lawyers who have what they now consider to be "public domain" defenses to use. This would still not stop a group of smart New York lawyers from stopping their distribution in a NY heartbeat... should the creator of the LAP assert a defense.
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« Reply #258 on: Sep 30th, 2009, 5:59pm »

on Sep 30th, 2009, 5:52pm, Double Nought Spy wrote:
As noted a good fraction of a zillion times already, to think that AW, part of Dell, didn't have it's hind end covered when they ordered the production of those computers is just loopy.


Well then there are only two possibilities.. if you are right and I'm wrong.

1. Your theory that the creator was Alienware.
2. Your theory, that the creator is known to alienware and has filed copyright in the Library of Congress to settle behind the scenes with NDA..??

But how come no copyright filed in Lib of Congress?
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« Reply #259 on: Sep 30th, 2009, 5:59pm »

von Sep 30th, 2009, 5:42pm, Double Nought Spy wrote:
Is it just me, or is this a very intriguing post? I saw it late last night, when I should have been sleeping, but I've read it a few times now and it seems to make a great deal of sense. Really, the only thing I can find that doesn't quite fit is this: I don't think of LMH as being competent enough to pull this off. But then she obviously had some talented help, and I'm biased anyway. Well, the "bad disguise" isn't so convincing, either. Of course we have seen plenty of bad disguises here, but why would LMH post on any of these forums. Talk about a bad trip!

Is LMH rich enough to still be paying PIs and lackeys?

Iíve seriously contemplated it as well but I personally canít see it actually being possible.

When the PIís were first involved and appeared on the mainstream media LMH was scathing in her unprompted retort, she really did seem to take it personally:

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This isnít the actions of someone employing the PIís as if that is the case then itís counter-productive at best and at worst could be described as self-destruction.

Back in the day Tomi confirmed that while LMH was semi-aware of their (DRT) efforts she had no prior knowledge of the PIís appearance and personally I donít think this conspiracy runs any deeper, and certainly not to the extent that LMH would use counter/reverse psychology to convince Dronies like us that she hadnít funded the PIís on the off-chance her detractors may cite this was the case.

Doesnít mean Iím right of course as to paraphrase yourself I'm a little biasedÖ.. grin

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« Reply #260 on: Sep 30th, 2009, 6:00pm »

on Sep 30th, 2009, 5:56pm, tomi01uk wrote:
AlienWare created a trademark when they used a derivative work from the LAP. That would normally trigger a response, but it didn't. They slowly incorporated more and increasing replications of the design into their products and the marketing of their products. Assured possibly by no longer having the 2 year limit of contesting copyright to fear, they have gone full use with many original elements of the design.

However, they are not out of danger yet. I believe they are speculating on winning with a team of research lawyers who have what they now consider to be "public domain" defenses to use. This would still not stop a group of smart New York lawyers from stopping their distribution in a NY heartbeat... should the creator of the LAP assert a defense.


You seem to be saying that if there were a hoaxer, he or she would surely sue AW. Correct? Would you please clarify a point? You do understand that any such lawsuit brought by the hoaxer would "out" the hoaxer. Correct?
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« Reply #261 on: Sep 30th, 2009, 6:06pm »

on Sep 30th, 2009, 6:00pm, Double Nought Spy wrote:
You seem to be saying that if there were a hoaxer, he or she would surely sue AW. Correct? Would you please clarify a point? You do understand that any such lawsuit brought by the hoaxer would "out" the hoaxer. Correct?


Are you saying that someone with the nouse to do this is also so rich and powerful in his own right he wouldn't try to settle with Alienware for capitalising on his creative work, time and excruciating effort ??
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« Reply #262 on: Sep 30th, 2009, 6:07pm »

Thanks DrDil. That was most illuminating. I had seen all that, but forgotten it.

I have always cherished the phrase "superficial and inaccurate reporting" in that context. Priceless!
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« Reply #263 on: Sep 30th, 2009, 6:10pm »

on Sep 30th, 2009, 6:06pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Are you saying that someone with the nouse to do this is also so rich and powerful in his own right he wouldn't try to settle with Alienware for capitalising on his creative work, time and excruciating effort ??


Again, you grossly overestimate the expense of time and money in the production. You also assume that there would be a great deal of money to be squeezed out of AW. You also assume that the hoaxers would be so overcome by greed that they would not care if everyone knew they were the hoaxers, no matter what their motivation and no matter what liabilities they would face.

And you still have not answered the question.
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« Reply #264 on: Sep 30th, 2009, 6:11pm »

on Sep 30th, 2009, 5:59pm, DrDil wrote:
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Iíve seriously contemplated it as well but I personally canít see it actually being possible.

When the PIís were first involved and appeared on the mainstream media LMH was scathing in her unprompted retort, she really did seem to take it personally:

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This isnít the actions of someone employing the PIís as if that is the case then itís counter-productive at best and at worst could be described as self-destruction.

Back in the day Tomi confirmed that while LMH was semi-aware of their (DRT) efforts she had no prior knowledge of the PIís appearance and personally I donít think this conspiracy runs any deeper, and certainly not to the extent that LMH would use counter/reverse psychology to convince Dronies like us that she hadnít funded the PIís on the off-chance her detractors may cite this was the case.

Doesnít mean Iím right of course as to paraphrase yourself I'm a little biasedÖ.. grin

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Very good point, Doc!

But I can't help but think that if LMH were in on the drone hoax, then she wouldn't be willing to cooperate with the DRT or the detectives.

How much has she cooperated? I assume very little and if she is backing a hoax, why cooperate with those digging into to it. In other words, she wouldn't want to help out herself.
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« Reply #265 on: Sep 30th, 2009, 6:15pm »

on Sep 30th, 2009, 6:10pm, Double Nought Spy wrote:
Again, you grossly overestimate the expense of time and money in the production. You also assume that there would be a great deal of money to be squeezed out of AW. You also assume that the hoaxers would be so overcome by greed that they would not care if everyone knew they were the hoaxers, no matter what their motivation and no matter what liabilities they would face.

And you still have not answered the question.


I over estimate the size? The design? The details? The creative initiative so remarkable that AlienWare characterise their computers with it?

I overestimate what this is worth in a legal claim? I notice I haven't estimated anything but what the sale, distribution and reputation of the line is worth...

Do you have any figures?
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« Reply #266 on: Sep 30th, 2009, 6:16pm »

on Sep 30th, 2009, 5:42pm, tomi01uk wrote:
If the person or group who did the LAP wanted to excercise their rights the entire production and distribution worldwide of these computers would be halted. Every single distributor holding these computers in stock would be sued concurrently with the manufacturer. The defense of such issues would amount to a tremendous amount of money, considering the loses in sales and and the adverse publicity.

Anyone with the nouse to do the LAP knows this. I'm sure.


Anybody with the 'nouse' must also know that waiving copyright and posting anonymously on a free (and for all intents and purposes anonymous) website with no copyright claims or assertions for 27+ months isn't halting the production of anything?

The paperwork and appeals (or as you said because thereís no 'slam-dunk') would inevitably make the case one of compensation rather than retraction?

And for all you credit the hoaxers with do you really think they could have foreseen this?

As you say theyíre obviously bright and have a strong background in computers and arguably UFO history, would they risk (possibly) their personal & family life by publicly admitting to a hoax such as this?

Hoax=Deception=Liar?

Would that look good on a resume or CV?

And using the (your) same logic if they werenít computer-literate this wouldnít be an issue as the hoax would have been more readily accepted as such instead of spawning believers as it did. (As a rule I can generally count the internet/public advocates of other hoaxes on one hand, but the Drones, well, you know better than meÖ.. kiss)

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« Reply #267 on: Sep 30th, 2009, 6:18pm »

on Sep 30th, 2009, 6:15pm, tomi01uk wrote:
I over estimate the size? The design? The details? The creative initiative so remarkable that AlienWare characterise their computers with it?

I overestimate what this is worth in a legal claim? I notice I haven't estimated anything but what the sale, distribution and reputation of the line is worth...

Do you have any figures?


Please answer the question. Do you understand that such a lawsuit would expose the hoaxers? Yes or no, please.
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« Reply #268 on: Sep 30th, 2009, 6:18pm »

on Sep 30th, 2009, 5:48pm, tomi01uk wrote:
I know LMH doesn't have time to browse the internet to the point of paying attention to posts and sentiments from ppl like us.


Regardless of what she may tell you tomi......LMH is a businesswoman and as a businesswomen she has to troll around the web (forums included) to stay abreast of whats happening in her field and see what the competition is up to.

To believe anything else is simply foolish!
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« Reply #269 on: Sep 30th, 2009, 6:26pm »

on Sep 30th, 2009, 6:18pm, Double Nought Spy wrote:
Please answer the question. Do you understand that such a lawsuit would expose the hoaxers? Yes or no, please.


Yes tomi please answer the question above and Jed's question

on Sep 30th, 2009, 6:11pm, Jeddyhi wrote:
How much has she cooperated? (LMH)


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