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« Reply #285 on: Sep 30th, 2009, 7:00pm »

on Sep 30th, 2009, 6:59pm, tomi01uk wrote:
I am telling you what could be done right now by the creators of the LAP. And asking why they are not doing this?

If you want to try to figure how much to claim in a lawsuit, I would certainly think that a muliple of millions would not be out of the ball park.


Please! And you are qualified to make such statements how, exactly?
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« Reply #286 on: Sep 30th, 2009, 7:03pm »

on Sep 30th, 2009, 6:59pm, tomi01uk wrote:
I am telling you what could be done right now by the creators of the LAP. And asking why they are not doing this?

If you want to try to figure how much to claim in a lawsuit, I would certainly think that a muliple of millions would not be out of the ball park.


Which is exactly why it is obvious Alienware was somehow involved from the beginning!! No way a company that size is going to risk a lawsuit!

Think tomi Think!!
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« Reply #287 on: Sep 30th, 2009, 7:07pm »

on Sep 30th, 2009, 6:45pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Retraction? Never suggested it ! Compensation (settlement) surely though..

Re: Retraction.

Sorry, I assumed that was a logical progression (if not what you meant) from halting the “entire production and distribution worldwide” of this product (i.e. retracting the product).

Hence the sentence prior which you omitted:

on Sep 30th, 2009, 6:16pm, DrDil wrote:
Anybody with the 'nouse' must also know that waiving copyright and posting anonymously on a free (and for all intents and purposes anonymous) website with no copyright claims or assertions for 27+ months isn't halting the production of anything?

The paperwork and appeals (or as you said because there’s no 'slam-dunk') would inevitably make the case one of compensation rather than retraction?

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« Reply #288 on: Sep 30th, 2009, 7:09pm »

on Sep 30th, 2009, 7:03pm, TheShadow wrote:
Which is exactly why it is obvious Alienware was somehow involved from the beginning!! No way a company that size is going to risk a lawsuit!

Think tomi Think!!


It's cheaper to settle ... they have defense worked out I'm sure. They know what can happen. What can happen is this... worse case senerio that I'm sure they know how to avoid is that the claimant will file a lawsuit against AlienWare, their board, the parent company Dell, and then also sue all other in additional lawsuits all independent distributors of Alienware products. Effectively halting all sales and shipping of the product.
This is what they want to avoid. Also publicity. I would imagine.... rolleyes

Now how much is this worth, especially when you have built an entire product line and marketing campaign on this design?
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« Reply #289 on: Sep 30th, 2009, 7:09pm »

on Sep 30th, 2009, 7:03pm, TheShadow wrote:
Which is exactly why it is obvious Alienware was somehow involved from the beginning!! No way a company that size is going to risk a lawsuit!

Think tomi Think!!


It's cheaper to settle ... they have defense worked out I'm sure. They know what can happen. What can happen is this... worse case senerio that I'm sure they know how to avoid is that the claimant will file a lawsuit against AlienWare, their board, the parent company Dell, and then also sue all other in additional lawsuits all independent distributors of Alienware products. Effectively halting all sales and shipping of the product.
This is what they want to avoid. Also publicity. I would imagine.... rolleyes

Now how much is this worth, especially when you have built an entire product line and marketing campaign on this design?
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« Reply #290 on: Sep 30th, 2009, 7:13pm »

on Sep 30th, 2009, 7:09pm, tomi01uk wrote:
It's cheaper to settle ... they have defense worked out I'm sure. They know what can happen. What can happen is this... worse case senerio that I'm sure they know how to avoid is that the claimant will file a lawsuit against AlienWare, their board, the parent company Dell, and then also sue all other in additional lawsuits all independent distributors of Alienware products. Effectively halting all sales and shipping of the product.
This is what they want to avoid. Also publicity. I would imagine.... rolleyes

The design was given away, pure and simple.
You can argue till pigs fly.
Any legal or civil issues would drag on for decades.
Isaac stole the material anyway.
There's no serious risk here with anyone using it.
Common sense would prevail.
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« Reply #291 on: Sep 30th, 2009, 7:14pm »

So you think this is proof that Alienware started the drone saga? Geeze ... what took them so long and why did they waste time on the LAP that only a few dronies know about.. grin

And that explains the BB drone then too... esp in context of how much that was used rolleyes
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« Reply #292 on: Sep 30th, 2009, 7:17pm »

on Sep 30th, 2009, 7:13pm, StaffLetter666 wrote:
The design was given away, pure and simple.
You can argue till pigs fly.
Any legal or civil issues would drag on for decades.
Isaac stole the material anyway.
There's no serious risk here with anyone using it.
Common sense would prevail.


Yeah? I suppose you know what you are talking about and I don't. Why don't you look up copyright procedure and get back to me..
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« Reply #293 on: Sep 30th, 2009, 7:19pm »

on Sep 30th, 2009, 7:14pm, tomi01uk wrote:
So you think this is proof that Alienware started the drone saga? Geeze ... what took them so long and why did they waste time on the LAP that only a few dronies know about.. grin

And that explains the BB drone then too... esp in context of how much that was used rolleyes


Your leaps of "logic" are nothing short of stunning!
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« Reply #294 on: Sep 30th, 2009, 7:19pm »

on Sep 30th, 2009, 6:49pm, tomi01uk wrote:
OMG.... first of all... who ever did this is beyond being a "designer", the group behind this is showing no profit motive whatsoever so far..


"OMG"?! laugh (<-- First time I've ever wrote that!!)

Where did I state "designer" as I assume that's why you put it in quotes?

You're definitely getting better at this Tomi!! grin

My post is here.
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« Reply #295 on: Sep 30th, 2009, 7:21pm »

on Sep 30th, 2009, 6:31pm, tomi01uk wrote:
A copyright would expose the hoaxers so I suppose a legal claim would as well. Be it a company or individual.

Next, yes, LMH has co-operated with the PI's as 11th has said already in his posts. If 11th said it, it is closer to home than if I say it, so why are you bugging me about ithuh


How as she cooperated? We know she has withheld some hi-res photos of the BB drone. We know she claimed to have contact information for some of the witnesses, was it RaJ? Didn't she communicate with Isaac via telephone and have a phone number for him? How much has she shared? Or is the better question how much has she not?

If she were truly cooperating with the investigation, a lot of unknowns would be known.

Is Linda protecting the hoax and herself?
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« Reply #296 on: Sep 30th, 2009, 7:22pm »

Oh.. my mistake...
First use.. There is a statue of limitations on making a defense pertaining to when one can show demonstable example of violation of copyright first used.

So there is still time to make a defense.. and file a registration of copyright with library of Congress.

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« Reply #297 on: Sep 30th, 2009, 7:26pm »

on Sep 30th, 2009, 7:21pm, Jeddyhi wrote:
If she were truly cooperating with the investigation, a lot of unknowns would be known.

Is Linda protecting the hoax and herself?


You would think so... I can understand your reasoning here, forgetting the bias it betrays.. However, such is the level of sophistication employed in this "saga" that men and women who were put into unfortunate or fortunate, depending on your perspective, positions of receiving the material are still trying to come to terms with it themselves as well, and make sense out of it too.
Of that I'm pretty sure. Ask Lex if this is not the case...
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« Reply #298 on: Sep 30th, 2009, 7:31pm »

on Sep 30th, 2009, 7:17pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Yeah? I suppose you know what you are talking about and I don't. Why don't you look up copyright procedure and get back to me..

Yes.
I know of your claim of knowledge of copyrights.
I don't need to rely on some Wiki.
I live in the world of common sense and common sense dictates the design was given away and rights abandoned.
Any judge or jury with common sense would agree regardless of your reading of any law or right.
It can't be won.
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« Reply #299 on: Sep 30th, 2009, 7:37pm »

on Sep 30th, 2009, 7:31pm, StaffLetter666 wrote:
Yes.
I know of your claim of knowledge of copyrights.
I don't need to rely on some Wiki.
I live in the world of common sense and common sense dictates the design was given away and rights abandoned.
Any judge or jury with common sense would agree regardless of your reading of any law or right.
It can't be won.


Tomi gets her legal opinions from the same place she gets her art appraisals. Out of thin air. Anybody can make crap up as they go along.
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