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xx Re: Drone Discussion #10
« Reply #450 on: Oct 2nd, 2009, 11:34am »

on Oct 2nd, 2009, 11:13am, Jeddyhi wrote:
Once again you are wrong. Suppose I make up a song and my friend hears me singing it. Two years later I hear my song on the radio and my friend is the credited song writer. He heard my lyrics, wrote them down and got a copyright for them. I pull out an old yellowed piece of napkin where I wrote the words down originally. Guess what, my friend retains copyright ownership because I can't prove if I wrote the words down yesterday on an old napkin or years ago on a fresh napkin. The first party to copyright has the ball in their court. It is one thing to sue for copyright infringement (meaning somebody is violating your existing copyright) but it is an altogether different story to say "Hey, thats my original concept and work that somebody registered before I could."



You are looking at civil litigation and copyright law in this case.

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Also in question would be the fact of the material being uploaded to the internet, offered freely to the public and proclaimed to be of ET origin. This does not sound like the actions of one concerned with copyright ownership and would surely weigh heavily on the decision making process.



Yes I agree. No defense of copyright in this period of time. However, this aspect has had me thinking....
(sorry guys.. wink) Suppose, hypothetically, that a group was involved in the creation of the LAP. Two years, a lot of things can go pear shaped.

Suppose the stipulation that Isaac made about all the material reproduced in its entirety was a sophisticated means of "protecting" the fictitious story line as it continued to unfold from infringements.. by Dell using the material in its marketing, it has forced a defense of the copyrights....

Hear me out.. also consider the possibility that the group involved initially has collapsed, leaving loose ends and uncompensated partners. The creators of the LAP were not locked into a written assignment of ownership to the others who have left the group...

This is one plausible explaination that would provide a reasonable defense against lost time in defending the copyright.






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xx Re: Drone Discussion #10
« Reply #451 on: Oct 2nd, 2009, 11:40am »

on Oct 2nd, 2009, 11:13am, Jeddyhi wrote:
In all actuality, AW owns a copyright that would be hard to dispute.


Jeddyhi, the original creator(s) of the LAP own the copyright. It was theirs on creation of the design. Not AW. The version of the LAP reproduced by AW would not stand on its own as distinctively different significantly enough from the original LAP.
A stylized reproduction is not original work.

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3.Copyright in the derivative work
Provided it is significantly different to the original work the derivative work will be subject to copyright in it's own right, and you will own copyright to the new content you have created as a result of your actions. Bear in mind that to be subject to copyright the creation of the derivative work must itself be an original work of skill, labour and judgement; minor alterations that do not substantially alter the original would not qualify.
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« Reply #452 on: Oct 2nd, 2009, 11:43am »

on Oct 2nd, 2009, 11:34am, tomi01uk wrote:
You are looking at civil litigation and copyright law in this case.



Yes I agree. No defense of copyright in this period of time. However, this aspect has had me thinking....
(sorry guys.. wink) Suppose, hypothetically, that a group was involved in the creation of the LAP. Two years, a lot of things can go pear shaped.

Suppose the stipulation that Isaac made about all the material reproduced in its entirety was a sophisticated means of "protecting" the fictitious story line as it continued to unfold from infringements.. by Dell using the material in its marketing, it has forced a defense of the copyrights....

Hear me out.. also consider the possibility that the group involved initially has collapsed, leaving loose ends and uncompensated partners. The creators of the LAP were not locked into a written assignment of ownership to the others who have left the group...

This is one plausible explaination that would provide a reasonable defense against lost time in defending the copyright.







OK one more time......Hmmm this is the same thing TOMI......Are you hinting that you didn't get paid and now want to sue AW........I am done listining to you...You ask to Hear You out and all you do is post what you think you know without posting anything to back up your claim or your work that you have done when you are known to have a special place for a liar.......nop I will not hear you anymore...................
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xx Re: Drone Discussion #10
« Reply #453 on: Oct 2nd, 2009, 11:44am »

on Oct 2nd, 2009, 11:40am, tomi01uk wrote:
Jeddyhi, the original creator(s) of the LAP own the copyright. It was theirs on creation of the design. Not AW. The version of the LAP reproduced by AW would not stand on its own as distinctively different significantly enough from the original LAP.
A stylized reproduction is not original work.


Nope as I posted before the shows picture that I posted about had the LAP concept first..That was the early 90s.....The LAP IS A RIP-OFF OF THAT SHOWS concept plain and simple....
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« Reply #454 on: Oct 2nd, 2009, 11:46am »

on Oct 2nd, 2009, 11:43am, Radi wrote:
OK one more time......Hmmm this is the same thing TOMI......Are you hinting that you didn't get paid and now want to sue AW........I am done listining to you...You ask to Hear You out and all you do is post what you think you know without posting anything to back up your claim or your work that you have done when you are known to have a special place for a liar.......nop I will not hear you anymore...................


Don't get weird on me Radi. I'm just coming up with one senerio in my imagination that would explain a delay yet allow the creators to register the LAP.
Just my imagination Radi... That's all. Have a good weekend guys ! I've argued all I can about it.
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« Reply #455 on: Oct 2nd, 2009, 11:54am »

on Oct 2nd, 2009, 11:46am, tomi01uk wrote:
Don't get weird on me Radi. I'm just coming up with one senerio in my imagination that would explain a delay yet allow the creators to register the LAP.
Just my imagination Radi... That's all. Have a good weekend guys ! I've argued all I can about it.

Then otherwise stop posting this stuff as if it is real otherwise remember what I had said before..YOU POST LEGAL ADVICE AND SOMEONE USES THAT AND LOSES THEIR CASE THEY CAN TURN AROUND AND SUE YOU....I THINK THEY WOULD HAVE A HARD TIME AT IT BUT THEY WOULD TRY IF THEY HAD ENOUGH MONEY AND A SHADY LAWYER TYPE wink
SO YOU MIGHT WANT TO PUT IN IANAL or at least say this is just your imagination.... grin
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« Reply #456 on: Oct 2nd, 2009, 11:57am »

on Oct 2nd, 2009, 11:46am, tomi01uk wrote:
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Have a good weekend guys ! I've argued all I can about it.

You have (need!! grin) a good weekend as well Tomi!! smiley

Cheers. wink
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xx Re: Drone Discussion #10
« Reply #457 on: Oct 2nd, 2009, 12:04pm »

on Oct 2nd, 2009, 11:57am, DrDil wrote:
You have (need!! grin) a good weekend as well Tomi!! smiley

Cheers. wink


I heard the South of France is very nice this time of year...

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« Reply #458 on: Oct 2nd, 2009, 12:10pm »

on Oct 2nd, 2009, 12:04pm, YourWorstNightmare wrote:
I heard the South of France is very nice this time of year...


Great, more hearsay & rumourů.. laugh
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« Reply #459 on: Oct 2nd, 2009, 12:21pm »

Maybe Nemo can share with us..It is said though...believe half what you see..nothing what you hear..hehehe
I hearrd of miracles at Lourdes..lots of crutches hanging..but no one has left with a new leg yet.wink Hope springs eternal
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« Reply #460 on: Oct 2nd, 2009, 12:30pm »

on Oct 2nd, 2009, 12:10pm, DrDil wrote:
Great, more hearsay & rumourů.. laugh


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« Reply #461 on: Oct 2nd, 2009, 1:37pm »

on Oct 1st, 2009, 6:15pm, neveleeleven wrote:
I even remote viewed a test picture someone gave me to see if I can guess the time of day, and was correct within less than 30 minutes. LOL


laugh It was not really that close. When I later checked my camera's time, I saw, that it WAS put on summertime, so we have one hour to substract. But still I found it very impressive, especially, since I never had expected, you would give it a try.

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Well I had everyone on the list because I don't trust anyone.


I know, that's why I offered you friendship. It's not nice to mistrust each and everybody.

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Or am I a good enough detective to take you off the list using unheard-of tactics via internet?


Like interpreting something into my daughter's song? cool

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I could prove with a doubt I am not the hoaxer.


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I can't even find any logic in someone making a hoax and then going through all the effort to debunk it.... I guess it could be like a disguise, but it would be smarter to not say anything at all. It would be smarter to be silent, than a debunker.


Now, okay, let's spin this thought a little further: The hoaxer IS a debunker. He clearly stated that he chose C2C and LMH, because they were the only ones, who would know how to handle it. He chose them as targets. He also tried MUFON and UCB, but they did not bite like the first mentioned. And he tried it on OMF, but he did not like the outcome and fled.

Secondly the hoaxer has a big ego, as all hoaxers have. Appearing at OMF showed, that he enjoyed the plot and wanted to go on with that.

It WOULD be smarter to stay silent, but he could not resist back than. It was too good. He learned from this and he chose the silent path, but still this does not hinder him to take part in the discussion.

Fits all to you, too. If there wasn't this one:

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Stupid funny maybe, but not funny funny.


The hoaxer has a lot of humour.

How was it at Milestone? Looks like a lot of fun!

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« Reply #462 on: Oct 2nd, 2009, 1:58pm »

on Oct 1st, 2009, 1:53pm, redlite wrote:
The Premise: Inserting 100lbs of steaming hooey into a 10lb sack.

Anonymity is fun! Coward Issac thinks so too...

The last post day-before-yesterday @ 11:49PM was Blackwaters' question 'how do you kill a hoax?'. Easy, don't give it any attention, especially if it ended over 2 years ago. Only the spinners have added to 'The Premise' above.

A few minutes later, the very first post in yesterdays circus was DNS saying 'lots of dairy activity' happening, who then proceeds to drop 33 steaming posts in 24 hours, only to be outdone by tomi with 53 posts, Shadow at 22 posts, etc., etc. for a total of 166 piles on 11 pages! Un-friken-believable! LMH and Strib trying to keep this alive? Yeah right, jobs already being done @ UCB. Good job, though, on 'The Premise'.

'Yeah, but we don't want this hoax to go down as true'.....Pfffff, go sell that somewhere else cause we ain't buying, just like no one else is buying this hoax as being for real. Except maybe someone from the "Hollow Head Society". More addition to 'The Premise'.

Hall 7 should include UCB with yesterdays 24 hours of shame- lock, stock and barrel- for pandering to this hoax. Not one thing of value was uttered yesterday, IMO, except to help 'The Premise'. Wait, Donkeykong had the only post with substance.

Someone should check to see if anyone was hospitalized or even killed by excessive laughter yesterday, as it could only be that scumby Issac......


A good deal of the information we have pertaining to who is behind this mess, including the low level pawns, has come from the pawns themselves when they are angry and spewing. It ain't pretty work, but it is effective. Several of us have mentioned this over the years (yup, years) so I'm not giving away any trade secrets. As I said somewhere before, we don't have many tools, and some of them are crude. But they work. Watching Tomi make up stupid crap is even fun for a while, so it's not all work! We picked up a couple of interesting leads in the past few days. Maybe they will be useful, maybe not. We are patient.
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xx Re: Drone Discussion #10
« Reply #463 on: Oct 2nd, 2009, 2:00pm »

I doubt Dell/Alienware has a thing to worry about. The LAP design segments are placed in very good places.

Silence is golden in some cases.
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« Reply #464 on: Oct 2nd, 2009, 2:56pm »

Ahh..the relief team is in..
I love Dell and Alienware, , AWs Owners, and partners of the other parites in past campaigns, .Dell has plenty on every designer of its standard and latest custom products before and after The AW design incorporation. Everyone except that particular model..the mx15 ....now why is that..rather a nasty gaping hole in an otherwise sterling lineup.
Yes silence is golden..but it at times speaks, if not screams volumes.The licensing with them is only one of the revenue streams..that warners Fox and Halcyon worked on..
This is about and includes..the dangling participles like LMH and C2c and whitley, hardly victims..in this racket..not these crumbsnatchers hired for spin and damage control.. and run interference for them....that are dangled like puppets by the same people..and promote their movies films and books.willingly..and with prior knowldge, just examining their timeline. .

The machine that got hiccups..
They say a good scare will stop Hiccups .indeed one is on the horizon ...
Sidd..you once told me everyone had their role to play..is so accurate..

There used to be the giant Gold Fickled Finger of Fate Award..
It really needs to be reinstated....
When Whitley, with his own movie concerns, who gave us instant witnesses to new sightings as well as the devoted and fawning fan and engineer Reyes, from his forum also..reflected in winter 2008 in a rare and unforgettable l moment, removed his thumb from an unspekable place, recanted his sighting..and said paraphrasing from memory..well if it was a dream it was one doozy of a dream.. certainly..deserves the first one..



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