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xx Re: Drone Discussion #10
« Reply #645 on: Oct 14th, 2009, 2:49pm »

on Oct 7th, 2009, 4:59pm, Masker33 wrote:
If any claim this as their work and seek copyright protection they will NOT be the original creators. The hoaxers maybe, but as to the originators of the work, fakes. Hoaxers can hoax without their own original material.

on Oct 7th, 2009, 6:01pm, Masker33 wrote:
The real creators will never complain, so if someone wants to claim copyright and ask for a fee go for it. So easy to fan this flame.

on Oct 8th, 2009, 5:12pm, Masker33 wrote:
I will put it as plainly as possible. No one or no thing involved in any capacity with the original Drone, Issac, or Lap will ever claim credit or rights of any kind. Therefore it would seem to be open to use in many forms, but I am no expert on the law.

on Oct 14th, 2009, 09:23am, Masker33 wrote:
Nothing will ever claim ownership of the original Drone information, so copyright is not a question. Use it.

Same spiel different maskÖ..

The following is from almost two years ago:



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Or perhaps same Ďsplití just different Ďpersonalityí?

on Oct 14th, 2009, 09:35am, Masker33 wrote:
Nice to see who started the ball in this thread rolling again. It was much better quiet as it should be.

The only reason I didnít post any of this before now is that I didnít want to add to Tomiís woes and now that the board has quietened down I thought Iíd post some of what I knew, but besides that and as Jed pointed out if you think that a few people discussing the possible how, who or why is akin to in some small way keeping the hoax alive then I suggest you lead by example and show us how we should behave, well either that or just admit the Drones interest you on a personal level and have done since you first became aware of them.

Iíd hazard a guess that this is why the majority of regular posters post here as itís why I do.

But even if the hoaxers were conclusively identified then I personally would still be interested in the Drones, obviously not (or ever) as a nuts & bolts phenomenon and neither would I be that interested in the images of the Drones themselves or even how they were created, but I remain interested nonetheless.

on Oct 14th, 2009, 09:51am, Masker33 wrote:
Lets see who keeps it running.

If this pains you so much then the best advice I have is simply not to read the thread, but the fact that you canít resist not only reading but then offering a commentary (of sorts) suggests to me that either you want the discussion to continue or you have a character-flaw that compels you to indulge your masochistic tendencies to such an extent that bemoaning your constant displeasure reeks of hypocrisy, this being due entirely to you posting comments that relay this displeasure at the fact that people are posting comments.

on Oct 14th, 2009, 10:22am, Masker33 wrote:
I wish to see who keeps it running here.

This thread is just one of many I participate in on several forums and covering a diverse range of topics, but more tellingly is that this is the only one I participate in that involves discussing the Drone hoax, perhaps if you broadened your horizons a little you may realise that the only person that attaches any importance at all to this thread, the Drones and the people discussing them is you & yoursÖ.

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xx Re: Drone Discussion #10
« Reply #646 on: Oct 14th, 2009, 3:18pm »

I wos wondering when that would surface..Dr.Dil.. Coming from me having mentioned before..would appear prejudiced..From you..its the Cats Meow..^_^

Man is indeed a creature of Habit..and Levs/ Maskers habits in particular, compulsive even, are so hard to break, let alone disguise..and so very very telling.I wonder how long he thought he could keep trying to fool everyone...while all those posts were still here...there..everywhere..forever it seems..a clear sign of running out of ideas..and underestimating everyone's intelligence..and overestimating His and His.

Thank you for another archival and masterful feat.
I was wondering if he is able to tell just what time it really is .?
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xx Re: Drone Discussion #10
« Reply #647 on: Oct 14th, 2009, 5:20pm »

Despite the discussion going on...have you considered
the 4th dimension? And how this might explain the sightings of the drones?

Maybe it is far more complex as described here, as the appearance of the drones might be of another world,
adjacent to the one we're living in.

http://www.math.union.edu/~dpvc/math/4D/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkxieS-6WuA

Maybe you have been barking up the wrong tree, in the
sense that the drones actually are visitors from another world, only accesible through the 4th dimension? Or a whole other dimension of which is new to the scientific area?

This could be why there are no one that claims ownership of said drones? Dimensions that lie within milimeters from ours, and perhaps engulf the witnesses of said drones?
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xx Re: Drone Discussion #10
« Reply #648 on: Oct 14th, 2009, 5:29pm »

Well masker is right with his view.

Meanwhile it is the old team of the ARC, who is carrying on this story.

But as I mentioned to Dil lateley, I don't think, Masker is Lev. I always thought he is Mthood. (BTW Hi, Michael!)

But anyway: Who cares? There are no news. Maybe the PIs will bring some in November. But I doubt it.

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xx Re: Drone Discussion #10
« Reply #649 on: Oct 14th, 2009, 5:41pm »

on Oct 14th, 2009, 5:20pm, Albert wrote:
Despite the discussion going on...have you considered
the 4th dimension? And how this might explain the sightings of the drones?

Maybe it is far more complex as described here, as the appearance of the drones might be of another world,
adjacent to the one we're living in.

http://www.math.union.edu/~dpvc/math/4D/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkxieS-6WuA

Maybe you have been barking up the wrong tree, in the
sense that the drones actually are visitors from another world, only accesible through the 4th dimension? Or a whole other dimension of which is new to the scientific area?

This could be why there are no one that claims ownership of said drones? Dimensions that lie within milimeters from ours, and perhaps engulf the witnesses of said drones?

Seems feasible to me. Very unique and new concept I seem to recall seeing someplace recently.
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xx Re: Drone Discussion #10
« Reply #650 on: Oct 14th, 2009, 5:52pm »

on Oct 14th, 2009, 5:41pm, Katterfelto wrote:
Seems feasible to me. Very unique and new concept I seem to recall seeing someplace recently.

Hi Katt, I hope youíre well. smiley

Iím sincerely pleased you decided to return to the fray discussion as I was sad to see you vacate this forum (and others).

Cheers!! grin
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xx Re: Drone Discussion #10
« Reply #651 on: Oct 14th, 2009, 6:12pm »

on Oct 14th, 2009, 5:52pm, DrDil wrote:
Hi Katt, I hope youíre well. smiley

Iím sincerely pleased you decided to return to the fray discussion as I was sad to see you vacate this forum (and others).

Cheers!! grin

Thanks DrDil.
The lights (and cows) in the sky UFO's and endless conspiracy theories at OMF and ATS just wore me down I guess. The final straw was seeing those lab rat cartoons posted by Tomi. Can't believe how much I've followed and tried to catch up on the drone saga. Kudo's to those who have pursued the truth for so long. cool I've learned a lot.
I may have gone bonkers looking at those Sys hidden images (just kidding Sys smiley I like that kind of stuff along with your no holding back)
I'm back to semi normal (I think). Actually planning my early retirement which is keeping me busy and nervous if I have the nerve to do it!
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xx Re: Drone Discussion #10
« Reply #652 on: Oct 14th, 2009, 6:21pm »

on Oct 14th, 2009, 5:20pm, Albert wrote:
Despite the discussion going on...have you considered
the 4th dimension? And how this might explain the sightings of the drones?

Maybe it is far more complex as described here, as the appearance of the drones might be of another world,
adjacent to the one we're living in.

http://www.math.union.edu/~dpvc/math/4D/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkxieS-6WuA

Maybe you have been barking up the wrong tree, in the
sense that the drones actually are visitors from another world, only accesible through the 4th dimension? Or a whole other dimension of which is new to the scientific area?

This could be why there are no one that claims ownership of said drones? Dimensions that lie within milimeters from ours, and perhaps engulf the witnesses of said drones?


That could explain the absent photo witnesses who never came forward to be identified or vetted....they went into the 4th dimension. grin

Seriously, the drone story is so full of deception and lies and false photography that I doubt the 4th dimension can save it at this point.
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xx Re: Drone Discussion #10
« Reply #653 on: Oct 14th, 2009, 6:36pm »

on Oct 14th, 2009, 6:21pm, Jeddyhi wrote:
That could explain the absent photo witnesses who never came forward to be identified or vetted....they went into the 4th dimension. grin

Seriously, the drone story is so full of deception and lies and false photography that I doubt the 4th dimension can save it at this point.



It could explain alot more...as the 4th dimension only are a catalyst...

Imagine that an adjacent world evolved slightly different than our world...then the Katakana like writing on the drones would be slightly different from what we know as Katakana...and still be made by humans, only different from what we know as Katakana..or Kanji..

If we assume the origin of the drones are from a similar world, the writing then are different from what we know as Katakana...but it resembles it upto a point.

So we are not that far off, and the diagrams of the LAP are maybe only a step from access, if we are able to interprete the language of this other adjacent world.
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xx Re: Drone Discussion #10
« Reply #654 on: Oct 14th, 2009, 6:43pm »

on Oct 14th, 2009, 6:36pm, Albert wrote:
It could explain alot more...as the 4th dimension only are a catalyst...

Imagine that an adjacent world evolved slightly different than our world...then the Katakana like writing on the drones would be slightly different from what we know as Katakana...and still be made by humans, only different from what we know as Katakana..or Kanji..

If we assume the origin of the drones are from a similar world, the writing then are different from what we know as Katakana...but it resembles it upto a point.

So we are not that far off, and the diagrams of the LAP are maybe only a step from access, if we are able to interprete the language of this other adjacent world.


With all due respect, Albert, that idea was beat to a pulp along with any other thing anybody could dream up to somehow make the drones real. You could find a mountain of such speculation and an equal amount of pontification if you want to dig around in several forums, but I would not recommend it as a healthy thing to do. Just my opinion, of course. laugh
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« Reply #655 on: Oct 14th, 2009, 6:45pm »

Well, I'm late checking in and things have gotten much further ahead here, than the questions DrDil put to me.

I can answer those, but I do not want to have to go through a major grilling of my opinions, which have changed as much as time has changed the circumstances involved in this.

Everything I'm saying about the persuit of a copyright infringement case by the creator(s) of the LAP would be because of what I have seen recently and please don't ask me to draw up which months this covers up to now.

On ATS even numerous posts were made about the almost exact replication now taking place in screen, print, web, promotions and lithograph (I assume) reproduction on the inside of the cases by AW.

Their use of this design in the examples I've seen and taken mental note of only, is too similiar to be considered a copyrightable derivative work in its own right. IMO.

Regarding the posts about the trademark aspects. Trade mark law is different from copyright law and I'm only speaking about copyrights.

Why do I think there is now a possibility of persueing this allegded copyright infringement, as opposed to before? Because before what they were doing with the symbols could be argued reasonably as a derivative yet distinctively different enough use of these symbols as to be copyrightable.. maybe...

I'm not venturing into trademark law here. But when they have taken the LAP design and employed it in the marketing to the degree they have now....
Everything changes.. The amount of use of a copyrighted design factors in. And this will be a good case to attract a NY law firm on contingency if the creators obtained the copyright registration numbers from the Library of Congress.

Bear in mind that just like other areas of intellectual law, like patents and trademarks, there is research and vetting done by the people who assign these numbers, so one would have to prove they were the creator(s), and they have means in place for this.

Regarding the design being put into public domain, yes, that is a problem that the NY Law Firm would have to find a way to overcome before they would consider taking the case. So... the creators of the LAP better have some good logical legal reason for this to have happened without defending their copyright.

I can't think of a legal reason or a real one, but if it was me I probably would try... smiley Like I said, the only one I can think of is that if it was part of a fictious or even real story.. the Isaac/Caret story would be made impossible by applying copyright to the LAP as it is supposed to be a government document. Now somewhere in law, I'm sure someone has applied this argument.. probably in some other situation. Only an IPR lawyer would know what viability it would have in this case though based on previous decisions.


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« Reply #656 on: Oct 14th, 2009, 6:50pm »

Oh. My. Gawd.

Can nothing kill this zombie?

Make it stop!
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xx Re: Drone Discussion #10
« Reply #657 on: Oct 14th, 2009, 6:54pm »

on Oct 14th, 2009, 6:43pm, Double Nought Spy wrote:
With all due respect, Albert, that idea was beat to a pulp along with any other thing anybody could dream up to somehow make the drones real. You could find a mountain of such speculation and an equal amount of pontification if you want to dig around in several forums, but I would not recommend it as a healthy thing to do. Just my opinion, of course. laugh


Well, it was just a suggestion, nothing more. I apologize if this was discussed before. Much reading to go through...thanks.
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« Reply #658 on: Oct 14th, 2009, 7:12pm »

on Oct 14th, 2009, 6:45pm, tomi01uk wrote:
Well, I'm late ..... CLIP CLIP CLIP ..... previous decisions.

My brain hurts! rolleyes
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« Reply #659 on: Oct 14th, 2009, 7:14pm »

on Oct 13th, 2009, 9:32pm, DrDil wrote:
Firstly I wanted to ask if you agree that the following statement is no more than copyright myth?



I'll try to answer these questions best I can. They are interesting questions though, as usual.. wink. I'm not a legal aid, lawyer or anything but a person who fought hard in a copyright case as the plaintiff with products involved as in this situation. So, I'm using my best guess analysis to answer your questions.

Quote:
Quote:"If it's posted to internet it's in the public domain."



That is obviously wrong.

Quote:
Nothing modern and creative is in the public domain anymore unless the owner explicitly puts it in the public domain. Explicitly, as in you have a note from the author/owner saying, "I grant this to the public domain."


Yes, I'm making the guess based on what I know that the above is true.

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So I guess the real crux of the matter, the core question, is whether or not in your learned opinion the LAP was actually Ďpublic domainí?



It was put into the public domain by not being defended. There is still time to defend it if the creator(s) get off the stick................

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